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Trump Privately Obsessed With Bernie Sanders Popularity and Socialism’s Appeal

Dans La Lune said:
What economic results are you talking about? He juiced the economy temporarily with tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts which are political poison even to his own base. Deregulation has almost zero impact on the economy. What policies are you talking about? Name them specifically.

Trump didn’t transform the economy — it’s mostly the same as it was under Obama - MarketWatch
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Does this look like mostly the same?????

DP and Dollar change
2013 16974.9
2014 17527.7 552,8
2015 18224.8 697.1
2016 18715.0 490.2
2017 19519.4 804.4
2018 20580.2 1006.1 GDP dollar growth almost doubles from 2014 in 4 years. GDP Dollar growth dropping below 500 billion in 2016 which is what Trump inherited


Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

2016 GDP growth 1.6% annual vs 2.9% 2018 with those terrible tax cuts, 3.2% January thru March 2019

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.5% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.8 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017 is celebrated but 6.6 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.7% today? Wow!! 2.6% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.3 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump


What is it about people like you that refuse to do your own research and always buy what you are told?
 
Dans La Lune said:
The only group of people who fear Sanders more than Trump are the corporate media.

Trump Privately Obsessed With Bernie Sanders’ Popularity and Socialism’s Appeal



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I keep saying this but no one seems to listen, or else they don't understand.
Bernie Sanders has talked about socialism...a LOT.

In reality however, he has sat down and worked WITH some of the most conservative leaders in the country, willingly and cheerfully.
There's a lot of legislation that has both his name and the names of a lot of conservatives, landmark legislation, the kind of stuff that makes life better for everyone.

He has been openly working together with people from all parts of the spectrum the entire time he's been in the House and Senate.
That's because when the rubber hits the road, Bernie is a pragmatist who doesn't care about "not invented here syndrome", he just wants to get things done.

And like pretty much every other president in history, he will get some of his agenda accomplished but he will not get everything he wants, because he is not a king or a dictator. He's just the POTUS, and presidents have to work with Congress, and the courts, and law enforcement, and the various agencies in government, and most of all, the American people...ALL OF them.

If Sanders wins the election, the United States is not going to suddenly switch on a "test pattern" with

☭☭"An important announcement - The United States is now shutting down capitalism and turning socialist. Report to your local POLITBURO IMMEDIATELY for your assignment."☭☭

The paranoia has reached levels of absurdity that even Monty Python cannot match, this is getting ridiculous.

And there's some bad news for folks who ARE on the extreme Left, too.
This is not going to be your day either.
You'll end up with better worker protections, better access to affordable health care and education, but there will not be much of anything in the way of free bread and circuses and there won't be much in the way of blanket turnover of our forty year Ayn Rand nightmare.
All that stuff will still be around, because it is pretty well entrenched.
And if you want that kind of change, you're going to have to sell YOUR IDEAS and get the kind of support that makes that kind of change possible for you.

Bernie Sanders will not be able to wave some magic "socialist" scepter or wand and make it happen for you.
And if all of your ideas don't sell, it's because maybe they weren't such great ideas to begin with, which is why they aren't getting the support you expected.

Your ideas will have to appeal to a broad spectrum of people, just like every other idea.
It will be up to YOU to make those ideas appealing.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I keep saying this but no one seems to listen, or else they don't understand.
Bernie Sanders has talked about socialism...a LOT.

In reality however, he has sat down and worked WITH some of the most conservative leaders in the country, willingly and cheerfully.
There's a lot of legislation that has both his name and the names of a lot of conservatives, landmark legislation, the kind of stuff that makes life better for everyone.

He has been openly working together with people from all parts of the spectrum the entire time he's been in the House and Senate.
That's because when the rubber hits the road, Bernie is a pragmatist who doesn't care about "not invented here syndrome", he just wants to get things done.

And like pretty much every other president in history, he will get some of his agenda accomplished but he will not get everything he wants, because he is not a king or a dictator. He's just the POTUS, and presidents have to work with Congress, and the courts, and law enforcement, and the various agencies in government, and most of all, the American people...ALL OF them.

If Sanders wins the election, the United States is not going to suddenly switch on a "test pattern" with

☭☭"An important announcement - The United States is now shutting down capitalism and turning socialist. Report to your local POLITBURO IMMEDIATELY for your assignment."☭☭

The paranoia has reached levels of absurdity that even Monty Python cannot match, this is getting ridiculous.

And there's some bad news for folks who ARE on the extreme Left, too.
This is not going to be your day either.
You'll end up with better worker protections, better access to affordable health care and education, but there will not be much of anything in the way of free bread and circuses and there won't be much in the way of blanket turnover of our forty year Ayn Rand nightmare.
All that stuff will still be around, because it is pretty well entrenched.
And if you want that kind of change, you're going to have to sell YOUR IDEAS and get the kind of support that makes that kind of change possible for you.

Bernie Sanders will not be able to wave some magic "socialist" scepter or wand and make it happen for you.
And if all of your ideas don't sell, it's because maybe they weren't such great ideas to begin with, which is why they aren't getting the support you expected.

Your ideas will have to appeal to a broad spectrum of people, just like every other idea.
It will be up to YOU to make those ideas appealing.
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Working with? what legislation has Bernie Sanders initiated that has helped the private sector and what are his proposals to help? you buy rhetoric just like you did with Hillary neither he nor Sanders have the private sector experience to even be part of the private sector. Their resumes wouldn't get them hired with any private sector company in a management position

Prompt swift action is required in a private sector economy to make a difference and Trump has done that, acting exactly like a CEO, something the left doesn't understand
 
Conservative said:
What is it about people like you that refuse to do your own research and always buy what you are told?
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So again, point to the policies you attribute to Trump's "success".
 
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CaughtInThe said:
Republican leaders go to the extreme far right, funneling billions to the most wealthy, wiping out environmental protection's, running up the debt and blowing up health care, and they wonder why people are attracted to the far left.

It's a mystery.
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And yet a Democratic President hold the top four highest deficits in history. :eek: Things only slowed down as the GOP took more and more control of Congress. And now Dems hold the House and the deficit starts sneaking toward the trillion dollar mark again.
 
Dans La Lune said:
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So again, point to the policies you attribute to Trump's "success".
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Wow those sure are pretty charts with a lot of color but it interesting how none of them show the dollar change or the number context, gee wonder why? You haven't refuted the data I posted nor have you put any of those charts into context as you focus on slope and not the numbers related to those slopes. You see GDP growth continued throughout the Obama tern but the growth was slowing and in 2016 grew only 490 billion, now again the slope is very pretty but not real accurate in terms of what the American people actually feel, as the first year of Trump it grew over 800 billion then over a trillion and this year(2019 will be even better when the final numbers come out.

On employment do you even know what makes up the official employment rate, ALL jobs created regardless of whether full or part time. Obama set records for part time jobs created as most of those so called returning jobs were either people holding two part time jobs or maybe just one. That is why the U-6 rate is a better indicator of the success of any economic polices. Obama's U-6 never got back to pre recession levels and Trump is well below, over 2% lower just in three years.

Then there is the argument of nominal dollars, tell us how nominal dollars impact actual Americans? Stop buying the slope and look at the numbers, I have posted the official numbers in context like 4.3 million part time for economic reason employment today vs. 5.7 million when Obama left office and 8 million during most of his term.
 
Conservative said:
Wow those sure are pretty charts with a lot of color but it interesting how none of them show the dollar change or the number context, gee wonder why?
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I think I’ve asked you three times now. Attach Trump’s success to an economic policy. I see Trump inheriting a lot of trends and dipping into the treasury just to sustain those trends. What policy did Trump implement to lower unemployment or improve the economy? That you can’t cite Trump’s policies is telling.

Trump's economic policies are destroying Iowa | The Gazette

Case in point: Iowa. Research shows that in the state the bulk of the economy’s benefits are being enjoyed by the richest one percent of Iowans, and much less so by the state’s small businesses and farmers who are fighting for scraps.

The glaring inequity of how these cuts are being felt in Iowa expose them for what they are: handouts for the wealthy being spun as gifts to working families. The Democratic candidates who are taking the debate stage in Des Moines this week and who will be squaring off in the state’s primary early next month must seize the opportunity to speak directly to the many Iowans who are only now coming to realize that they’ve been sold a bill of goods.
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Worse yet, the President has cut critical benefits that lower-income Americans depend on. In October 2019, the Trump Administration announced steep cuts to the critical Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (or SNAP), on which more than 153,400 Iowa households and 318,100 individuals rely every day.
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Rob from the poor, give to the rich. When the rich get a massive influx of wealth, call it an economic success.
 
Dans La Lune said:
I think I’ve asked you three times now. Attach Trump’s success to an economic policy. I see Trump inheriting a lot of trends and dipping into the treasury just to sustain those trends. What policy did Trump implement to lower unemployment or improve the economy? That you can’t cite Trump’s policies is telling.

Trump's economic policies are destroying Iowa | The Gazette



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Rob from the poor, give to the rich. When the rich get a massive influx of wealth, call it an economic success.
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OMG, nothing is going to satisfy you as I have provided you with the official data that you claimed was similar to Obama's. So just like you were wrong in that area, want to wager that Iowa votes for Trump? There is no reason to vote for any of the Democrats as their entire platform is class envy, jealousy, and politics of personal destruction. Your envy of rich people is part of your problem, growing up I celebrated their success and never blamed anyone else for my successes or failure but me. You ought try that

You do realize that article was written by a guest columnist. Do you really believe it is the federal governments responsibility to provide equal outcome and take from the rich and give it to you? Where is that in the Constitution?

Why would you quote someone like this and expect people to believe you on any issue

In 2004, his name was floated as a possible successor to Terry McAuliffe as head of the Democratic National Committee.

Hindery served as Senior Economic Policy Advisor for presidential candidate John Edwards from December 2006 until February 2008.

In 2008 Hindery was an economic and trade advisor to then-Presidential candidate Barack Obama, and in 2012 served as an economic policy surrogate for President Obama.

On the withdrawal of Bill Richardson as nominee for Secretary of Commerce on January 4, 2009 it was suggested that he might be a suitable replacement.[7]

Hindery endorsed Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[8]
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Leo Hindery - Wikipedia
 
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Dans La Lune said:
I think I’ve asked you three times now. Attach Trump’s success to an economic policy. I see Trump inheriting a lot of trends and dipping into the treasury just to sustain those trends. What policy did Trump implement to lower unemployment or improve the economy? That you can’t cite Trump’s policies is telling.

Trump's economic policies are destroying Iowa | The Gazette



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Rob from the poor, give to the rich. When the rich get a massive influx of wealth, call it an economic success.
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Still waiting for you to respond to the actual data not your pretty charts. Slope doesn't matter the number employed, dollar growth does

DP and Dollar change
2013 16974.9
2014 17527.7 552,8
2015 18224.8 697.1
2016 18715.0 490.2
2017 19519.4 804.4
2018 20580.2 1006.1


Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

2016 GDP growth 1.6% annual vs 2.9% 2018 with those terrible tax cuts, 3.2% January thru March 2019

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.5% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.8 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017 is celebrated but 6.6 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.7% today? Wow!! 2.6% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.3 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump
 
HumblePi said:
Our population is getting poorer, not richer. The only people that are happy with Trump's hefty tax relief are corporations and those Americans with stocks in their 401k and that's less than half the people. America is collapsing and we are quickly becoming the world's first poor rich country.

"43% of American households can’t afford a budget that includes housing, food, childcare, healthcare, transportation, and a cellphone. Translation: nearly half of Americans can’t afford the basics of life anymore." Half of Americans Are Effectively Poor Now. What The?
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In all fairness to the tyranny, food is the only basic of life that you've mentioned.
 
d0gbreath said:
In all fairness to the tyranny, food is the only basic of life that you've mentioned.
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There are three basics to life, not one. Food, shelter and clothing. These are the measurements of absolute poverty.
 
Bullseye said:
And yet a Democratic President hold the top four highest deficits in history. :eek: Things only slowed down as the GOP took more and more control of Congress. And now Dems hold the House and the deficit starts sneaking toward the trillion dollar mark again.
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In order to believe that you have to force yourself to believe that the trillion dollar tax break for the rich never happened, and that it was just a bunch of welfare thugs slurping up a trillion dollars worth of pizza and lobster.

That's hilarious, or it WOULD BE if it wasn't so disturbing.
Trump OWNS that deficit and you damn well know it, so stop spreading lies.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
In order to believe that you have to force yourself to believe that the trillion dollar tax break for the rich never happened, and that it was just a bunch of welfare thugs slurping up a trillion dollars worth of pizza and lobster.

That's hilarious, or it WOULD BE if it wasn't so disturbing.
Trump OWNS that deficit and you damn well know it, so stop spreading lies.
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Believing that there ever was a trillion dollar tax break for the rich is ludicrous beyond believe. Not sure what hallucinations led to the pizza and lobster jabberwocky.
 
dixon01767 said:
From YOUR source.

"Total federal receipts rose by 5 percent in 2019,"

We can see who lies.
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Don't accuse me of being a liar, I stand by what I posted 100%. You quoted something from the second link I posted, the NYT link and did not come from the link include in your comment. Not only did you post the incorrect link, you failed to complete the quote that goes like this:

"Total federal receipts rose by 5 percent in 2019, after falling slightly in 2018 after the tax cuts. It was the fastest rate of growth for tax receipts since 2015, but still well below several years of receipts growth recorded under Mr. Obama. Spending grew by 7.5 percent in 2019, the fastest rate since 2009"

Budget Deficit Topped $1 Trillion in 2019 - The New York Times
 
HumblePi said:
Don't accuse me of being a liar, I stand by what I posted 100%. You quoted something from the second link I posted, the NYT link and did not come from the link include in your comment. Not only did you post the incorrect link, you failed to complete the quote that goes like this:

"Total federal receipts rose by 5 percent in 2019, after falling slightly in 2018 after the tax cuts. It was the fastest rate of growth for tax receipts since 2015, but still well below several years of receipts growth recorded under Mr. Obama. Spending grew by 7.5 percent in 2019, the fastest rate since 2009"

Budget Deficit Topped $1 Trillion in 2019 - The New York Times
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It does seem that you are more concerned about revenue growth for the federal government that you are with earned income being kept by the American taxpayer. Have you bothered to look at what created the trillion dollar deficit last year?

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Conservative said:
It does seem that you are more concerned about revenue growth for the federal government that you are with earned income being kept by the American taxpayer. Have you bothered to look at what created the trillion dollar deficit last year?

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Look at those goalposts move!
 
HumblePi said:
Don't accuse me of being a liar, I stand by what I posted 100%.
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Well, you be sure to share with us any source that confirms the assertion because this one doesn't.
 
Conservative said:
Federal Tax revenue belongs to the people first so NO it isn't a federal giveaway. There is absolutely no logic in your post as you continue to show you have no understanding of where the federal revenue comes from

there was no revenue giveaway as people keeping more of what they earn isn't an expense and the reality is Federal Tax Revenue has increased with the Trump tax cuts. Why is it you never post data to support your opinions and claims
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“Federal Tax revenue belongs to the people first so NO it isn't a federal giveaway. There is absolutely no logic in your post as you continue to show you have no understanding of where the federal revenue comes from”

I said it belongs to the public. Not the individual that owes the tax. By definition, the public ARE the people.

“there was no revenue giveaway as people keeping more of what they earn isn't an expense and the reality is Federal Tax Revenue has increased with the Trump tax cuts. Why is it you never post data to support your opinions and claims”

Revenue has gone up every year, anyway, since Kennedy, except for 8 yrs, 3 under Bush2. But the revenue isn’t high enough because we’re not bringing in the tax money we’ve given away to the rich and large corps and must borrow from China, instead. That’s a laugh.

Oh, do I need post the ballooning deficits under Trump, that Obama had previously brought down, as data you say I don’t post?

Like I said, you can’t point to any net positive trends that are of any significant better a rate under Trump than under Obama. I mean, not that one would mean much up against the many. But maybe you could come up with something. Obama was fighting the worst recession since the Great Depression and still handed Trump an economy on a trend he, Trump, could not make any better. Hilarious.
 
bluesmoke said:
Obama was fighting the worst recession since the Great Depression and still handed Trump an economy on a trend he, Trump, could not make any better. Hilarious.
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The recession was over 5 months after Obama took office before his fight had even begun.
 
dixon01767 said:
The recession was over 5 months after Obama took office before his fight had even begun.
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The technical factors that decide the term of a recession is not the same as the period of time that is the impact of a recession. If you consulted economic study of such you would understand that, hopefully. Unemployment continued to climb. That was the result of the recession impact. We continue to pay for that recession to this day, however, comparatively, slight. For you to say the recession was over merely 5 mos after Obama took office is to say Obama beat the recession in just 5 mos. Ridiculous. The recovery was much longer than that. Trumpsters can't say "the recession was over" then complain "the longest recovery ever" in any vein of logic, but for technical. The recession, by technical definition, was over when you say. The recovery did take long, and was also the longest period of growth since the Great Depression. Get some perspective.
 
Conservative said:
How has any rich person hurt you or your family and prevented you from joining them? Class envy, jealousy are what the left promotes. It does appear that you really need to get out from behind the computer and see what is going on in this country
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I"ve been hearing that piss poor argument from right wingers for years.

You are basically saying, " hey poor guy, 'okay, yes, the rich exploit the masses, and because you either are not smart enough to be rich, are too lazy, or are not lucky enough to be born into the right famiiy, if the rich exploit you, it's your fault, not theirs. So, if it's your fault, then they are not actually exploiting anyone, you are just making **** up".

That' like saying to a woman who is raped while wearing a bikini it's her fault, not the rapist's, she was raped.

As to "jealosy, envy" etc., Yes, and a woman who is raped envies her rapist because he was a stronger human than she was. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

And your reducing what is a larger economic problem to "how has any rich person hurt you" is simplistic reasoning, and, as such, a bogus argument.

Look, I'm not arguing that the poor do not bear more or less partial responsibility for their predicament some do, some don't, (both in varying degrees but that doesn't change the premise of the above argument i'm making.)

Case in point, I know someone who is poor largely because he failed to see the consequences of his poor choices.

Still, that doesn't change or alter the fact that many big corporations exploit low skilled workers.
 
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