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Trump Privately Obsessed With Bernie Sanders Popularity and Socialism’s Appeal

How has any rich person hurt you or your family and prevented you from joining them? Class envy, jealousy are what the left promotes. It does appear that you really need to get out from behind the computer and see what is going on in this country

Joining them? Just like that. It's not about envy (for me) as I'm not one of those who worship money. Having something more than you need isn't going to be your happiness multiplier - being jealous is nothing but being foolish. One problem, when it comes to those insanely rich folks, they don't play with same rules (no need to as they are in their own happy-bubble, alienated from reality outside of their immediate proximity. Same folks are willing to mess with politics by throwing lot of money to keep things nice and tidy for them.

It's also ideological issue. If you really think that all people out there can get there where those rich folks are now, you should ask if it's even realism anymore as we know how much of that wealth is inherited. Not in all cases, but many cases. So it takes many generations and even then you need some luck. Let's say your goal is hoard money up to $50 billion in your life-time and you fail - are you just stupid if fail you like that? Those who can make it is proof of what? Take honest look at it, what are your odds in current environment get into 1% class. Most of folks don't even try it and how many of those who try something like that are failing?

Just asking, what's wrong with middle class? It's most common form of life here and people are happy with that. Why chasing money is so special, highly valued goal?
 
Minimum wage would be $23/hour if it kept pace with inflation. It used to be that a single income could sustain a large family. Now two working parents can barely raise a single child and are ~$500 away from going into debt. Education used to be almost free, now students can’t shake debt unless they die. ~500,000+ families go bankrupt every year from medical related expenses. The world is on fire, the environment is going to ****. Someone picks up the tab and it’s always the working poor. The rich don’t have to worry unless they’re asking the government for handouts to fix their beachfront property.

No it wouldn't.

Since 2009, the federal minimum wage has been $7.25, or $15,080 a year. Many economists believe this is woefully inadequate and unjust. Consider this: in order to simply have kept up with inflation since 1968, the minimum wage value would have needed to climb to $10.90.

Without an education finding a 10 dollar an hour job is not difficult.
if you have some skill. There are janitors in NY making 100k a year pushing a broom.

My family is a single income family we do just fine, but i did things that allowed me to make more money.
No education was not almost free. There simply were just not that many people going to college.
9/10 you graduated school and went to work at the factory that your dad worked at until he died and you died.

I have to post this same thing to every liberal that says this and they constantly repeat the same lie over and over again.
i am beginning to see that it is impossible to educate a leftist.

Exposing the Myth of Widespread Medical Bankruptcies

New England Journal of Medicine is skeptical of these results as well. The study tracks a stratified sample of adults between the ages of 25 and 64 who were admitted to the hospital for non-birth-related reasons between 2003 and 2007. It finds that fewer than 4 percent of hospitalizations resulted in bankruptcies.

The Warren studies conducted a survey of bankruptcy filers from public court records for the years 2001 and 2007, respectively. Based on a sample of about 1,000 debtors, they concluded that more than 50 percent of these had filed for bankruptcy due to debt from medical problems. But this approach is inherently flawed. By limiting the sample to those who had already filed for bankruptcy, the study overstated the incidence of medical debt.

In other words, if the authors were trying to establish whether medical debts cause bankruptcy filings, the appropriate sample should have included households with and without medical debt, and households who filed or did not file for bankruptcy. In short, what the authors have established is some correlation, but not causation.

The Department of Justice did a similar survey of bankruptcy filers between 2000 and 2002, which included a much larger sample of 5,203 filers, and found that 90 percent of filers had medical debts less than $5,000, and 54 percent had no medical debt. The 2009 Warren study reports nearly 35 percent of filers with more than $5,000 in medical debt, and a much smaller fraction with no medical debt or other medical reason to file for bankruptcy.

Finally, the 2005 study used an overly broad definition of “medical filers,” which included people with any sort of addiction or uncontrolled gambling problems. The 2009 study removed these clauses but still claimed that nearly 62 percent of bankruptcy filings are due to medical reasons. This high number is partly driven by the fact that the authors attribute any remotely medical factor as the cause of the bankruptcy filing, not just medical debts.

The numbers you are using are not correct they are a dishonest propaganda by Elizabeth "liar" warren yet again.

the only part i agree with is the beach front property.
 
Gov't spending, gov't pensions, SS and Medicare have been in effect for decades and yet we have never had the economic growth like we are seeing now during the first three years of any President. I have posted what Trump inherited by the numbers only to be ignored. That is what the left and Sanders supporters will always do divert from reality and continue to post fantasy. You do not make someone richer by taking it from the rich or legislating it, you create dependence which gives us candidates like Sanders and Warren. Bernie Sanders is a pure socialist, why don'you you tell us how the vast majority in this country benefit by having him as President?

The point of my comment was that you are dead wrong about suggesting that Americans are better off because Federal per capital spending is up.

Why should I tell you anything about Bernie Sanders, I'm not supporting him with my donations.
 
Minimum wage would be $23/hour if it kept pace with inflation. It used to be that a single income could sustain a large family. Now two working parents can barely raise a single child and are ~$500 away from going into debt. Education used to be almost free, now students can’t shake debt unless they die. ~500,000+ families go bankrupt every year from medical related expenses. The world is on fire, the environment is going to ****. Someone picks up the tab and it’s always the working poor. The rich don’t have to worry unless they’re asking the government for handouts to fix their beachfront property.

That (bolded above) assertion is pure nonsense. Taking the (statutory) federal MW in any given year (even its inflation adjusted maximum in 1968) and using the (official?) inflation calculator (link below) proves that assertion to be nonsense.

CPI Inflation Calculator


The purchasing power of the federal minimum wage peaked in 1968 at $1.60 ($12.00 in 2019 dollars). If the minimum wage in 1968 had kept up with labor's productivity growth, it would have reached $19.33 in 2017.

Minimum wage in the United States - Wikipedia
 
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Youve got it backwards. It is under the far left where there is misery except for the rich folks. Review 20th century history for the true socialist misery index.

What I was trying to say is that if you're going for extreme individualism (as I think it's far rights way) and you justify tax cut for the rich and same time cutting from social security (because you can't get enough money by taxing people - for what's still left as safety net). With some decency you can get needed equality and reduce homelessness and help poorest so they have chance for better life (it's not always about being lazy or stupid). I like to see more compassion from all sides who are able to bring back some balance.

Middle class is thinner now what it was back then? What I see is inequality is still rising and where is - any - mechanism to make it smaller?

I like to remind about me being biased, so it's main factor and it's twisting my views a lot. So I'm pretty sure that I'm missing something, well.. trying to get grip from some US things (tried it on Gun control and failed so badly).
 
No it wouldn't.

Since 2009, the federal minimum wage has been $7.25, or $15,080 a year. Many economists believe this is woefully inadequate and unjust. Consider this: in order to simply have kept up with inflation since 1968, the minimum wage value would have needed to climb to $10.90.

You are correct. I should have said:

‘If our standard for minimum wages had kept pace with overall income growth in the American economy, it would now be $21.16 per hour.’


In other words, virtually all new wealth generated has gone into the pockets of the super-rich at the direct hexpense of the poor.

My family is a single income family we do just fine, but i did things that allowed me to make more money.
No education was not almost free. There simply were just not that many people going to college.
9/10 you graduated school and went to work at the factory that your dad worked at until he died and you died.

I have far different anecdotes.


So basically the contrary analysis comes from the Koch Brothers.
 
There has been no "distribution of wealth", quite the opposite. Here's a fact. Americans are not better off now than before Trump was elected. Wages are stagnant despite job growth. Most people's lives haven't changed a single bit. They're not making any more money than before. People benefited marginally but not significantly from Trump’s tax breaks, but those tax breaks which overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy and corporations are being used primarily for stock buybacks as opposed to higher wages and benefits for labor. The tax breaks which benefited people like you or me were temporary and ended last year. These tax breaks for the wealthy is increasing the deficit exponentially, an issue that will be pushed off to your children and future generations.

Wages have been growing. They aren't stagnant.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...KEAc&usg=AOvVaw2BcpVl3JhPRcC7nndTHB5V&ampcf=1

Furthermore, wage growth is outpacing inflation, so wage growth is clearly NOT stagnant, but generating meaningful increases beyond cost of living increases.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BBAB&usg=AOvVaw0LBIlEY5brZsJXgdnNKTDm&ampcf=1

It looks like the economy is outpacing your meme.
 
He was 100% right.

No, he was 100% wrong.

The only thing stopping you from being rich is you.

A lofty vision hiding the true reality of American life.

why do leftist constantly have to be so dishonest that they have to distort and make stuff up?
is it the only way that you actually think you can carry out an argument? you are not capable of having a real honest discussion?

It's literally the twilight zone when a Trump supporter starts lambasting someone else for dishonesty.
 
You are correct. I should have said:

‘If our standard for minimum wages had kept pace with overall income growth in the American economy, it would now be $21.16 per hour.’
That is professional level pay. which means professionals would be making 50 dollars an hour and people making 26 would still be poor.
which means managers would be making almost 75 an hour. you would accomplish nothing but an even wider gap of income inequality
and make things 10x more expensive. why do you guys not understand this?

In other words, virtually all new wealth generated has gone into the pockets of the super-rich at the direct hexpense of the poor.

You don't understand how our banking system works do you? This is why we have the federal reserve. there job is to control the money supply.
so as the economy needs money they can add dollars to the system to meet the demand.

I have far different anecdotes.
So basically the contrary analysis comes from the Koch Brothers.

Why do you have to be a so dishonest and lie like you do?
ol yea you can't address the facts. typical leftist.
 
Our population is getting poorer, not richer. The only people that are happy with Trump's hefty tax relief are corporations and those Americans with stocks in their 401k and that's less than half the people. America is collapsing and we are quickly becoming the world's first poor rich country.

"43% of American households can’t afford a budget that includes housing, food, childcare, healthcare, transportation, and a cellphone. Translation: nearly half of Americans can’t afford the basics of life anymore." Half of Americans Are Effectively Poor Now. What The?

43% of American households are that way by choice because the government is discouraging the traditional family structure with one wage earner and one domestic homemaker.

It’s not an economic issue, it’s an effect of previous socialist policy. If all parents were married and living with a spouse the Housing demand would plummet and so would prices, labor supply would contract and so wages would increase, and you wouldn’t need Childcare. And also cell phones are not a necessity. Anyone who says cell phones are a necessity of life is a beta.
 
Your endless assertions that "the left" is responsible for federal per capita spending increases is laughable. We have two major political parties (the party for a bigger federal government and the party for a huge federal government) and neither of them fail to increase federal per capita spending at every opportunity.

The federal government now spends almost 25% more annually that it dares to ask for in federal taxation. Calling that a federal spending problem while supporting cutting federal taxation rates is the ultimate in "budgeting" lunacy. So long as that (borrow and spend) nonsense results in a congressional re-election rate of over 90% it will, no doubt, continue to be done regardless of which major political party holds majority power in DC.

History says I am right but as usual you forget that I grew up a STAUNCH Democrat and supported that party for quite some time voting for more Democrats than many liberals here have ever voted Republican. It was Democrats that created SS and Medicare, it was Democrats that have created most of the social programs coming out of D.C. today

The problem here is who is calling for more federal spending, Democrats or Republicans? Both parties cause federal spending but the Democratic Party left me. Your claim of 90%+ re-election rate is spot on as buying votes creates dependence thus career politicians who have no term limits. Does anyone here actually believe that Sanders is fiscally responsible?
 
Doesn't sound like Trump is worried about Sanders as much as Trump is planning for whoever he has to run against.
I betcha he would love to run against Bernie because Bernie is very forthright about what he is.

For some on the left, a healthy interest in something instantly becomes an obsession. In keeping with that notion, it does seem as if the DNC elite are obsessed with preventing said Bernie from capturing the democrat nomination.
 
No, he was 100% wrong.
i say so is not an argument.

A lofty vision hiding the true reality of American life.

Not at all people do it all the time.
More people are becoming millionaires than ever before.
there is more opportunity in the US than ever in it's history.

It's literally the twilight zone when a Trump supporter starts lambasting someone else for dishonesty.
False narrative is a false narrative. You want me to support someone else then put someone sane up.
I would gladly vote for someone else but in typical fashion the DNC found 15 people worse than clinton.
how they did it i don't know but they managed to do it.

Me supporting trump has nothing to do with the fact that you can't make an honest argument.
 
What I was trying to say is that if you're going for extreme individualism (as I think it's far rights way) and you justify tax cut for the rich and same time cutting from social security (because you can't get enough money by taxing people - for what's still left as safety net). With some decency you can get needed equality and reduce homelessness and help poorest so they have chance for better life (it's not always about being lazy or stupid). I like to see more compassion from all sides who are able to bring back some balance.
Who on the right, or anywhere for that matter, is calling for 'cutting from Social Security?' And this country spends $trillions each year in federal transfer payments to'help the poorest' so Im not sure what you are talking about.

Middle class is thinner now what it was back then? What I see is inequality is still rising and where is - any - mechanism to make it smaller?

I like to remind about me being biased, so it's main factor and it's twisting my views a lot. So I'm pretty sure that I'm missing something, well.. trying to get grip from some US things (tried it on Gun control and failed so badly).
The middle class has struggled largely due to the loss of high paying, low skilled manufacturing jobs, but people here are not in misery. We have an big issue with the cost of health insurance, but thats basically it. Yes, people can get insanely rich in the US, but many of them are insanely generous with that wealth as well.
 
All sitting presidents talk with their inner circles on a daily basis about their challengers during upcoming elections.

I don't see anything new here.

Am I missing something?

The Media filter. Trump "asked advisers, in and out of the White House, about how Sanders polls, or would likely perform, in critical battleground states" and the media filter spits out "Trump Privately Obsessed With Bernie Sanders"
 
Joining them? Just like that. It's not about envy (for me) as I'm not one of those who worship money. Having something more than you need isn't going to be your happiness multiplier - being jealous is nothing but being foolish. One problem, when it comes to those insanely rich folks, they don't play with same rules (no need to as they are in their own happy-bubble, alienated from reality outside of their immediate proximity. Same folks are willing to mess with politics by throwing lot of money to keep things nice and tidy for them.

It's also ideological issue. If you really think that all people out there can get there where those rich folks are now, you should ask if it's even realism anymore as we know how much of that wealth is inherited. Not in all cases, but many cases. So it takes many generations and even then you need some luck. Let's say your goal is hoard money up to $50 billion in your life-time and you fail - are you just stupid if fail you like that? Those who can make it is proof of what? Take honest look at it, what are your odds in current environment get into 1% class. Most of folks don't even try it and how many of those who try something like that are failing?

Just asking, what's wrong with middle class? It's most common form of life here and people are happy with that. Why chasing money is so special, highly valued goal?

Worshiping money seems to be the Democratic Mantra these days totally ignoring that the richest entity in the world today is the federal gov't. Why do you call taking care of your family worshiping money?

Your focus on "insanely" rich folks is nothing more than a diversion from the reality that all those Democratic Candidates including Sanders are insanely rich and got there mostly by being a public servant

It isn't ideological to believe that people can rise in class it is reality and that rise in class never comes from gov't spending and by removing incentive. I am living proof of that, worked hard, took advantage of the training I received in the private sector and took care of my family without taxpayer handouts. You see I understand personal responsibility along with the taxes I pay and their purpose.

There is a silent majority in this country mostly middle class that don't spend 24/7 whining and complaining about Trump or promoting class envy. They are working and won't support the Sanders Ideology and that is something the left wants to ignore
 
There has been no "distribution of wealth", quite the opposite. Here's a fact. Americans are not better off now than before Trump was elected. Wages are stagnant despite job growth. Most people's lives haven't changed a single bit. They're not making any more money than before. People benefited marginally but not significantly from Trump’s tax breaks, but those tax breaks which overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy and corporations are being used primarily for stock buybacks as opposed to higher wages and benefits for labor. The tax breaks which benefited people like you or me were temporary and ended last year. These tax breaks for the wealthy is increasing the deficit exponentially, an issue that will be pushed off to your children and future generations.

I keep hearing that opinion from you but never see it backed up by facts which you apparently want to ignore

Since Trump took office the GDP growth has exceeded 1 trillion dollars each of the last two years.

6.6 million new taxpayers have been created by working at new jobs

African and Hispanic American unemployment is at historic lows

Infrastructure spending and activity has been at a record pace

Charities, State and local government coffers are being filled by record sales tax collection and individual support

You claim we aren't better off? Refute those numbers? Why is it that the left always focuses on percentage change and not dollars?
 
The point of my comment was that you are dead wrong about suggesting that Americans are better off because Federal per capital spending is up.

Why should I tell you anything about Bernie Sanders, I'm not supporting him with my donations.

Never claimed that people are better off with gov't spending, on the contrary they are better off because they are getting to keep more of what they earn. Sanders and all those rich Democrats running for office mostly got their millionaire status as public employees which destroys the liberal myth about bigger gov't benefiting the average American, that massive gov't spending creates dependence thus career jobs for bureaucrats
 
History says I am right but as usual you forget that I grew up a STAUNCH Democrat and supported that party for quite some time voting for more Democrats than many liberals here have ever voted Republican. It was Democrats that created SS and Medicare, it was Democrats that have created most of the social programs coming out of D.C. today

The problem here is who is calling for more federal spending, Democrats or Republicans? Both parties cause federal spending but the Democratic Party left me. Your claim of 90%+ re-election rate is spot on as buying votes creates dependence thus career politicians who have no term limits. Does anyone here actually believe that Sanders is fiscally responsible?

That (bolded above) is certainly true, yet republicants dare not propose any cuts in those (now sacred?) major social spending programs. Can you name any republicant (including Trump) who has proposed cutting SS and/or Medicare? The (lame?) idea that passing federal tax rate cuts will result in (forced?) federal spending cuts is moronic. The federal deficit has increased in each year of Trump's presidency and will likely continue to do so. The bottom line is that federal spending at 20% of GDP with federal revenue at 17% of GDP is going to yield a deficit no matter how large our GDP gets.
 
I keep hearing that opinion from you but never see it backed up by facts which you apparently want to ignore

Since Trump took office the GDP growth has exceeded 1 trillion dollars each of the last two years.

6.6 million new taxpayers have been created by working at new jobs

African and Hispanic American unemployment is at historic lows

Infrastructure spending and activity has been at a record pace

Charities, State and local government coffers are being filled by record sales tax collection and individual support

You claim we aren't better off? Refute those numbers? Why is it that the left always focuses on percentage change and not dollars?

The media doesn’t cover the positive. Over 90% of their coverage on Trump is negative. It’s no secret that CNN president has an agenda against Trump, it’s a matter of public record.
 
That (bolded above) is certainly true, yet republicants dare not propose any cuts in those (now sacred?) major social spending programs. Can you name any republicant (including Trump) who has proposed cutting SS and/or Medicare? The (lame?) idea that passing federal tax rate cuts will result in (forced?) federal spending cuts is moronic. The federal deficit has increased in each year of Trump's presidency and will likely continue to do so. The bottom line is that federal spending at 20% of GDP with federal revenue at 17% of GDP is going to yield a deficit no matter how large our GDP gets.

Which is exactly why we need term limits in D.C. Trump has been in office just three years and if you Google Trump's plan for SS and Medicare you will see that he will make proposals in his second term

That is where the real problem exists in the Federal budget. WE have had this discussion before, there isn't enough to cut from the Discretionary budget to make a difference in the deficit or the debt so that has to come from Entitlement reform. All these cries about the deficit and Debt under Trump ignore the line items that created those deficits. The lack of understanding of the budget is staggering. If anyone thinks that Sanders or any of the Democrats running for office are going to propose spending cuts in those areas they are fooling themselves. Bureaucrats are never going to bite the hand that feeds them
 
The media doesn’t cover the positive. Over 90% of their coverage on Trump is negative. It’s no secret that CNN president has an agenda against Trump, it’s a matter of public record.

That appears to be true and the glowing endorsement of Sanders should scare the hell out of the American people and I believe it will if he gets the nomination thus the anal exam on his policy proposals
 
Our population is getting poorer, not richer. The only people that are happy with Trump's hefty tax relief are corporations and those Americans with stocks in their 401k and that's less than half the people. America is collapsing and we are quickly becoming the world's first poor rich country.

"43% of American households can’t afford a budget that includes housing, food, childcare, healthcare, transportation, and a cellphone. Translation: nearly half of Americans can’t afford the basics of life anymore." Half of Americans Are Effectively Poor Now. What The?

Not sure where you pull this article from but it is pure bunk. There is a lot of speculation but no data to support it.
nor does it give any reason why this is the case.

the entire article is nothing more than "i say so" and begging the question.

U.S. Census Bureau Reports Poverty Rate Down, But Millions Still Poor : NPR
Despite the decline in poverty, the Census Bureau found that 38.1 million people in 2018 were poor. This was 1.4 million fewer poor people than in 2017, but about one in eight Americans still lived below the poverty line — $25,465 for a family with two adults and two children.

now we have to look at what is the cause of this.

1. Is the breaking of the family unit. Single parenthood has an impact on income and wealth. In most cases unless the person has a significant support network
the odds of them getting a college degree or other advance degree is hugely decreased. Next comes the ability to work the needed hours to support. most higher paying
jobs are salary in which salary people work 40-50+ hours a week. being a single parent with no support network makes this almost impossible.
not saying that it can't be done but child care is a huge cost, but it is a factor.

2. Lack of education in general. Most people caught working minimum wage jobs either do not have a high school diploma or only a high school diploma.

3. The downgrade of skilled labor. This has had the biggest impact on lower income and poorer families. While college might not be a thing we have put a huge
downlook on skilled labor. becoming a mechanic, a carpenter, plumber, electrician, etc ... has been looked down on even though they are high paying jobs and they are
in demand.

skill carpenter can make 45-55k a year (depending on location)
electrician median income is 54k a year.
mechanic median income is 40k a year.

yet there is not enough people applying or looking to go into these fields which would greatly lower people in poverty.
IE we need more trade schools and funnel people ot those which is cheaper than college.

4. lack of budgeting and finance skills.
most families do not have these very much important skills to handle family budgets or
finances. they do not know what they spend or where it goes. they rely heavily on those ads that say
low monthly payments but have like 30% interest rates like rent to own or cash loan or credit cards.

they don't realize that this takes away from their disposable income. instead of all kids having a cell phone only 2
phones are needed. don't get cable just get internet and hulu. that will more than cover any and all tv needs and costs less.
 
Socialist Claptrap.

Marco Rubio said it best "we're not a nation of have and have nots, we're a nation of haves and soon to haves".

There's never been a truer statement.

Only the rich should have access to things like healthcare and a good environment and if you want that well, apparently, it'll be soon.

Poor people should shut up and wait their turn... That's never lead to any problems in history before.

LOL Jesus christ, you ****ing people throw out the dumbest ****. Marco Rubio a lying republican scumbag with corporate **** up his ass
 
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