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Christian School Expels Girl for Wearing Rainbow Sweater on Her Birthday

HonestJoe said:
That isn't really the point. They're still quoting her picture as a "lifestyle violation" and that still raises the question to a lot of people reading of what the heck is actually wrong with it? Whether it was her first "violation" or the final straw that led to her expulsion doesn't alter that fundamental (no pun intended) question.

Are you able to identify what could be rationally deemed unacceptable in that picture?
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Let me give you an analogy to this: A science student disagrees with AGW climate change in a public school's 'science' class which is a lifestyle violation of the AGW climate change community and public school and that student is, at least, not given a passing grade and, if that student persists, is kicked out of the 'science' class.

The school of the girl with the rainbow is teaching ideology and so are public schools. When both types of schools, public and private, refrain from teaching ideology, that would be great. Until that time, one can't point fingers at one type of school without pointing fingers at both types of schools. Are you prepared to point fingers at public schools which teach the ideology if AGW climate change, as well? If not, why are you even participating in this thread?
 
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rocket88 said:
That's not even comparable. You're comparing apples to Chevrolets.
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I'm comparing ideology taught at private schools to ideology taught at public schools. Neither type of school's teaching of ideology is acceptable and neither should be allowed if one wants a student to have a well rounded education.
 
cabse5 said:
The school of the girl with the rainbow is teaching ideology...
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Is she? I see a teenage girl at her birthday party. If the picture was presented without the context of the expulsion, I very much doubt the idea of it "teaching an ideology" would cross any of our minds.

cabse5 said:
Are you prepared to point fingers at public schools which teach the ideology if AGW climate change, as well?
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If you can identify a school presenting AGW as an ideology, to the point of establishing it as a mandatory "lifestyle" for all students in and out of school, then sure, I'd condemn them too.

cabse5 said:
If not, why are you even participating in this thread?
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Because I found the idea of a student being expelled because of that picture ridiculous, even as a "final straw" to a series of actual misbehaviour and I was interested to understand why some people feel it was legitimate.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Then, when some person gets all upset, and makes assmptions , that's not very nice, is it?
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So what do you know about the two years of disciplinary problems?

For all any of us knows, this student came to school displaying rainbow stuff and was told not to do it again. The fact is that none of us knows the particulars yet.
 
AProudLefty said:
Before I read the rest of your post, I found this to be so hilarious I cannot even describe. It's supreme irony. :lamo

Gosh. Words cannot even describe.
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I see that. Maybe this is because of your own animus? One can be respectful and compassionate for others without selling out one's own beliefs. If the issue is homosexuality, and I don't know whether it is, the student handbook spells out clearly what this Baptist-run school's view is. The parents would have been aware of the school's core values before enrolling their daughter. They chose this school.
 
nota bene said:
Here is the Whitefield Academy handbook (just in case somebody is actually interested in facts):

https://whitefield.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Parent-Student-Handbook-K-12-Current.pdf
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From the handbook, the following indicates the school is well within their rights to expel the student if she is truly homosexual.

Whitefield Academy’s Biblical role is to work in conjunction with the home to mold students to be Christ-like. On occasion, the atmosphere or conduct within a particular home may be counter or in opposition to the Biblical lifestyle the school teaches. This includes, but is not limited to, sexual immorality, homosexual orientation, or the inability to support Biblical standards of right and wrong (Rom. 1:18-32, I Cor. 6:9). If the home environment is not in harmony with the school’s doctrinal belief in the centrality of Jesus Christ and the authority of Scripture and Biblical lifestyle, it will be difficult for the school to cooperate with the home and achieve the goal of a student becoming Christ-like. In such cases, the school reserves the right, within its sole discretion, to refuse admission of an applicant or to discontinue enrollment of a student.
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So, supposing they know she's gay, they are within their rights to expel her.

The bigger issue is whether their policy is detrimental to beneficial to society at large.

My opinion is that they only hurt themselves when they expelled the child, and that -- if she is gay -- she's better off in a school where diversity is accepted.
 
Rising Sun said:
Unknown. It could be just as I've posted before: She might be rebellious and intentionally seeking to piss off TPTB. The fact remains there is insufficient evidence to conclude whether or not she's gay or an LGBT supporter and we don't know the nature of her previous two years worth of violations.
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Regardless of her previous violstoons, the last straw was wearing a sweater? How is that a violation of anything?
 
nota bene said:
So what do you know about the two years of disciplinary problems?

For all any of us knows, this student came to school displaying rainbow stuff and was told not to do it again. The fact is that none of us knows the particulars yet.
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Does that change the fact that a girl celebrating her birthday liked colorful things, and it was entirely outside the school environment? How does that stop the actions from making unreasonable assumptions, and being overly stupid and judgemental? They have every right to promote that bigotry and hate in their school as much as they want, but I have every right to protest against it. The only thing evil needs is for people to remain silent, and that I am unwilling to do.

This young lady is learning a fine lesson about how the Church treats people. People who are brought up in that kind of environment seem to have a very binary thinking, right/wrong/, yes/no. That is exactly the kind of treatment that creates a fertile ground for being non-religious.
 
maxparrish said:
"The message" delivered, regardless of what was intended, is what a reasonable person would think it means. Apparently for someone in a sematic tribe 3500 to 4000 years ago a rainbow in the clouds was a reminder of God's covenant.

Today, the sequence of bands of colors of a rainbow appearing on a flag or cake is a reminder of gay pride in being homosexual, God being irrelevant.
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Nice try though.
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If a rainbow makes you think about lesbians, that might be your issue.
 
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nota bene said:
So what do you know about the two years of disciplinary problems?

For all any of us knows, this student came to school displaying rainbow stuff and was told not to do it again. The fact is that none of us knows the particulars yet.
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She msy have been told never to wear it to school again. This wasn't at school. So unless they told her to never wear it to a restaurant, thst's a canard.
 
nota bene said:
I see that. Maybe this is because of your own animus? One can be respectful and compassionate for others without selling out one's own beliefs. If the issue is homosexuality, and I don't know whether it is, the student handbook spells out clearly what this Baptist-run school's view is. The parents would have been aware of the school's core values before enrolling their daughter. They chose this school.
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Yeah, if the issue is homosexuality, then that's the epitome of compassionate. :roll:

Or really, the most amount of "compassion" anyone should really expect from a religious body/organization, for the most part. Especially in regards to someone like me, 'cause they'd be kicking me to the curve.
 
RAMOSS said:
Does that change the fact that a girl celebrating her birthday liked colorful things, and it was entirely outside the school environment? How does that stop the actions from making unreasonable assumptions, and being overly stupid and judgemental? They have every right to promote that bigotry and hate in their school as much as they want, but I have every right to protest against it. The only thing evil needs is for people to remain silent, and that I am unwilling to do.

This young lady is learning a fine lesson about how the Church treats people. People who are brought up in that kind of environment seem to have a very binary thinking, right/wrong/, yes/no. That is exactly the kind of treatment that creates a fertile ground for being non-religious.
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It's certainly an attitude that is getting more and more people to move away from organized religion (though they might still be religious).
 
TheGoverness said:
It's certainly an attitude that is getting more and more people to move away from organized religion (though they might still be religious).
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I find the extreme churches tend to create angry anti-Christians. It's the binary thinking.
 
nota bene said:
So what do you know about the two years of disciplinary problems?

For all any of us knows, this student came to school displaying rainbow stuff and was told not to do it again. The fact is that none of us knows the particulars yet.
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Good point, which makes me wonder, what do you know about the two years of “disciplinary problems”? Because you’re defending the schools actions as if you have some inside knowledge.
 
HonestJoe said:
Is she? I see a teenage girl at her birthday party. If the picture was presented without the context of the expulsion, I very much doubt the idea of it "teaching an ideology" would cross any of our minds.

If you can identify a school presenting AGW as an ideology, to the point of establishing it as a mandatory "lifestyle" for all students in and out of school, then sure, I'd condemn them too.

Because I found the idea of a student being expelled because of that picture ridiculous, even as a "final straw" to a series of actual misbehaviour and I was interested to understand why some people feel it was legitimate.
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The private, Baptist-based school is teaching ideology.

AGW climate change is not science, is not based in logic (or science).

Why don't you find it equally as ridiculous that students are, at least, flunked for not adhering to AGW climate change ideology then?
 
cabse5 said:
The private, Baptist-based school is teaching ideology.

Why don't you find it equally as ridiculous that students are, ar least, flunked for not adhering to AGW climate change ideology then?

AGW climate change is not science, is not based in logic.
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Show me a public school that teaches “AGW ideology” whatever that is. Is that like “Gravity ideology” or “evolutionary biology ideology”?
 
HenryChinaski said:
Show me a public school that teaches “AGW ideology” whatever that is. Is that like “Gravity ideology” or “evolutionary biology ideology”?
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AGW climate change ideology is the ideology that man is the main (or only) causer of climate change and that monitoring CO2, solely, will lessen the effects of climate change...That ideology being taught in public schools.
 
cabse5 said:
AGW climate change ideology is the ideology that man is the main (or only) causer of climate change and that monitoring CO2, solely, will lessen the effects of climate change...That ideology being taught in public schools.
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AWESOME now that you described a mentally retarded mad up thing can you answer the question you were actually asked. Please show all these schools that teach the thing you just made up and factually prove it, thanks!!!


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cabse5 said:
AGW climate change ideology is the ideology that man is the main (or only) causer of climate change and that monitoring CO2, solely, will lessen the effects of climate change...That ideology being taught in public schools.
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That sounds sounds like it should belong in the CT forum
 
maxparrish said:
Presumably your not telling me that 3500 to 4000 years ago the author or his Jewish readers in 1500 to 2000 BC envisioned God's convent as their approval of gay pride, are you? If not, there is no point in telling us how YOU would like rainbows in any context to be read, because the issue is how it is IN FACT read by most in the 21st century, which has zilch to do with "God".

Rainbow gay pride symbolism is a contemporary secular invention; rainbows as a theological poetic is not. Until you demonstrate that my statements are factually in error, there is no point to telling us how you'd like it be interpreted.

In short, we are discussing what IS intended or understood, not what "should be" or "should have been" intended or understood.
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Are you seriously denying that gays didn't exist 3500 to 4000 years ago?

I'm talking about rainbows, not gay pride. Why are you so interested in gay pride? Do you support it? Or do you stand on the sidelines of every parade and tell your male friends how disgusting it is?

God is everything and therefore always relevant. Man's interpretation of God depends upon the man, such as your interpretation God is irrelevant in some areas such as this one.
 
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