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Partisanship Doesn’t Entirely Explain Trump’s Impeachment

j brown's body said:
Most people here without documentation came here legally. Immigration laws were enforced by his predecessors. Trump rejected a bi-partisan immigration plan.

The border wall is nothing more than a monument to his ego.
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1/2 million people enter this country illegally every year. That is more than a few. It is estimated that there are as many as 20 million people here in this country illegally. There are more than 100 countries that do not even have 20 million people in them. This is not a minor problem but a crisis without a doubt. 10 to 20 million criminals in our country that need to be removed is epic failure. We need a wall and a hell of a lot more as well to even begin to get a handle on this catastrophe. Save it for the clueless.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
1/2 million people enter this country illegally every year. That is more than a few. It is estimated that there are as many as 20 million people here in this country illegally. There are more than 100 countries that do not even have 20 million people in them. This is not a minor problem but a crisis without a doubt. 10 to 20 million criminals in our country that need to be removed is epic failure. We need a wall and a hell of a lot more as well to even begin to get a handle on this catastrophe. Save it for the clueless.
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Can you provide a link to back up those stats in your post?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
1/2 million people enter this country illegally every year. That is more than a few. It is estimated that there are as many as 20 million people here in this country illegally. There are more than 100 countries that do not even have 20 million people in them. This is not a minor problem but a crisis without a doubt. 10 to 20 million criminals in our country that need to be removed is epic failure. We need a wall and a hell of a lot more as well to even begin to get a handle on this catastrophe. Save it for the clueless.
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I am not sure were your numbers are sourced but the Pew Research Center estimates the amount of illegels entering the US is 70,000.

How many undocumented immigrants are in the United States and who are they?

Additionally the majority of illegels entered the US legally under the Visa waiver program, and they did not leave. How is wall going to fix the broken Visa waiver program?
 
Appeals to rationality aren't part of the conservative agenda. These people can't be reasoned with. Have to just defeat them in 2020 and 2024 and every last election this country holds.


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RAMOSS said:
Oh, stop using sources and facts. That doesn't fit the fear narrative.
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The Wall is a shiny object to distract the adorables from the real problem, a broken Visa waiver program, and not enough manpower to chase down those who have overstayed their welcome.

Reagan offered amnesty with a gaurantee the Visa Waiver program wpuld be overhauled. I guess Reagan forgot, or just napped. He always was overrated. After his death Righties wanted his image replacing FDR's on the Dime. Reagan was not even in the same league.
 
yankintx said:
I am not sure were your numbers are sourced but the Pew Research Center estimates the amount of illegels entering the US is 70,000.

How many undocumented immigrants are in the United States and who are they?

Additionally the majority of illegels entered the US legally under the Visa waiver program, and they did not leave. How is wall going to fix the broken Visa waiver program?
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The fact remains that nobody knows how many sneak into the country because nobody was their to stop them or count them. Most studies are bias towards who pays for the study and the answers. The big problem with most studies if your results don't agree with the person handing out the money you are out of a job. I have watched them come across after they got rid of the border patrol agent. I know that 99% of them made sure they did not step foot on the ground I was protecting because we had walls, fences, and enforced the law. That is what works not looking the other way, rewarding them if they lie and claim asylum, or any other ploy to circumvent our laws.
 
yankintx said:
The Wall is a shiny object to distract the adorables from the real problem, a broken Visa waiver program, and not enough manpower to chase down those who have overstayed their welcome.

Reagan offered amnesty with a gaurantee the Visa Waiver program wpuld be overhauled. I guess Reagan forgot, or just napped. He always was overrated. After his death Righties wanted his image replacing FDR's on the Dime. Reagan was not even in the same league.
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FFS, Democrats reneged on their end of the bargain. Reagan didn't forget anything. They assured him over and over they would overhaul the immigration system but they never did. They opposed it, at almost every opportunity.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
1/2 million people enter this country illegally every year. That is more than a few. It is estimated that there are as many as 20 million people here in this country illegally. There are more than 100 countries that do not even have 20 million people in them. This is not a minor problem but a crisis without a doubt. 10 to 20 million criminals in our country that need to be removed is epic failure. We need a wall and a hell of a lot more as well to even begin to get a handle on this catastrophe. Save it for the clueless.
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What catastrophe?

This is the way it has always been.
 
Hamish Howl said:
What catastrophe?

This is the way it has always been.
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Not my ancestors. They were law abiding people not sneaky criminals. Law abiding people make a great country. Lawless losers make ****holes out of their country.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Not my ancestors. They were law abiding people not sneaky criminals. Law abiding people make a great country. Lawless losers make ****holes out of their country.
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My ancestors were pirates and boat-wreckers. You'd rather have the Mexicans and Guatamalans.
 
Hamish Howl said:
My ancestors were pirates and boat-wreckers. You'd rather have the Mexicans and Guatamalans.
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I have no problem with the Mexicans or the Guatemalans. I have family members who immigrated here legally from Mexico. I have been to Mexico many times visiting with their family. They are wonderful, honest, law abiding, family oriented, Christians and I am proud to have them as family and friends. I have hired people from Columbia and Mexico here on work visas legally. Sorry but I don't have much respect for lying, deceitful, lawless, people sneaking into my country that have no respect for me or the laws of my country.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I have no problem with the Mexicans or the Guatemalans. I have family members who immigrated here legally from Mexico. I have been to Mexico many times visiting with their family. They are wonderful, honest, law abiding, family oriented, Christians and I am proud to have them as family and friends. I have hired people from Columbia and Mexico here on work visas legally. Sorry but I don't have much respect for lying, deceitful, lawless, people sneaking into my country that have no respect for me or the laws of my country.
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"Some of my best friends are Mexican."
 
RAMOSS said:
Yet the pew study at the same time shows it to be about 10.7 million, not 30 million. There is a big discepancy there.
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The fact is our border security and our enforcement of our immigration laws are so pathetic that the error factor is in the 10's of millions. Trump is correct in calling our border security and our enforcement of our immigration laws a crisis. That is putting it nicely. It is a pathetic disaster when your start having error factors in the millions. We need walls, fences, and more enforcement of our laws without question.
 
Hamish Howl said:
"Some of my best friends are Mexican."
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Didn't pirates raid Spanish ships. Just having some fun. My next door neighbor that just moved in is from Mexico. He speaks pretty good English. Better than the Russian.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The fact is our border security and our enforcement of our immigration laws are so pathetic that the error factor is in the 10's of millions. Trump is correct in calling our border security and our enforcement of our immigration laws a crisis. That is putting it nicely. It is a pathetic disaster when your start having error factors in the millions. We need walls, fences, and more enforcement of our laws without question.
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That is the fear that Trump pushes, and the right wing sallows, yet, what would be much more effective than a stupid phyiscal wall would be a mandatory e-verify, and fining the companies that hire illegals, with possible jail terms for employers

If no one will hire them, they won't stay
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Didn't pirates raid Spanish ships. Just having some fun. My next door neighbor that just moved in is from Mexico. He speaks pretty good English. Better than the Russian.
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Pirates from Cornwall raided whomever they could find, to include each other.
 
RAMOSS said:
That is the fear that Trump pushes, and the right wing sallows, yet, what would be much more effective than a stupid phyiscal wall would be a mandatory e-verify, and fining the companies that hire illegals, with possible jail terms for employers

If no one will hire them, they won't stay
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Wrong. Been there and I have seen what happens if they cannot find work. They turn to crime. I have seen it first hand. Most are not working legally anyway. But when starving people will do just about anything to survive. Step one is to stop illegal entry. Step 2 remove those here illegally. Step 3 enforce our laws including punishing those hiring illegals to circumvent minimum wage and taxes. We already have laws. It is the left that has a problem enforcing the laws with their sanctuary cities and refusal to even do their job as law enforcement officers.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Wrong. Been there and I have seen what happens if they cannot find work. They turn to crime. I have seen it first hand. Most are not working legally anyway. But when starving people will do just about anything to survive. Step one is to stop illegal entry. Step 2 remove those here illegally. Step 3 enforce our laws including punishing those hiring illegals to circumvent minimum wage and taxes. We already have laws. It is the left that has a problem enforcing the laws with their sanctuary cities and refusal to even do their job as law enforcement officers.
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I am sure you have so many claims and stories.
 
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