The FAA Knew about Boeing's 737 Max software flaws

HumblePi · Dec 11, 2019

The FAA Knew

The Federal Aviation Administration was well aware of the fatal hazards with the Boeing 737 MAX before the March 2019 Ethiopian Airlines crash and allowed the planes to continue carrying passengers, a report shows. As the Wall Street Journal notes, the FAA had estimated that throughout its 30-45 year life cycle, the Boeing 737 MAX would have crashed roughly as many times as “all fatal passenger accidents over the previous three decades.”

Today, the House Transportation Committee released the results of a November 2018 FAA investigation, following the October 2018 Lion Air crash which killed 189 people. The FAA projected that Boeing 737 MAX planes would crash 15 times, or, once every two to three years. The report includes the even more horrifying line item: “total uncorrected fatalities: 2920.9.”

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In 2018 Lion Air was the second fatal crash of a 737 Max. I read about it and learned that Boeing had made the necessary software updates on most planes but that those purchased by Ethiopian Airlines and Lion Air, did not. When I learned that, I knew that someone at the FAA had turned a blind eye to this fatal flaw. Boeing's 20 BILLION contract was more than enough to shut more than a few FAA inspectors and others down.

This is corruption at the very highest level of Boeing and the FAA.

bearpoker · Dec 11, 2019

HumblePi said:
The FAA Knew

The Federal Aviation Administration was well aware of the fatal hazards with the Boeing 737 MAX before the March 2019 Ethiopian Airlines crash and allowed the planes to continue carrying passengers, a report shows. As the Wall Street Journal notes, the FAA had estimated that throughout its 30-45 year life cycle, the Boeing 737 MAX would have crashed roughly as many times as “all fatal passenger accidents over the previous three decades.”

Today, the House Transportation Committee released the results of a November 2018 FAA investigation, following the October 2018 Lion Air crash which killed 189 people. The FAA projected that Boeing 737 MAX planes would crash 15 times, or, once every two to three years. The report includes the even more horrifying line item: “total uncorrected fatalities: 2920.9.”

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In 2018 Lion Air was the second fatal crash of a 737 Max. I read about it and learned that Boeing had made the necessary software updates on most planes but that those purchased by Ethiopian Airlines and Lion Air, did not. When I learned that, I knew that someone at the FAA had turned a blind eye to this fatal flaw. Boeing's 20 BILLION contract was more than enough to shut more than a few FAA inspectors and others down.

This is corruption at the very highest level of Boeing and the FAA.

What really surprises me is how foolish and shortsighted Boeing was and probably still is. Catastrophic crashes are not good for their business and yet they carried on despite the obvious risk to their bottom line. Incredibly stupid!

lemmiwinx · Dec 11, 2019

Bad software combined with Ethiopian pilots probably not a good combination. I'd have booked a later flight.

HumblePi · Dec 11, 2019

bearpoker said:
What really surprises me is how foolish and shortsighted Boeing was and probably still is. Catastrophic crashes are not good for their business and yet they carried on despite the obvious risk to their bottom line. Incredibly stupid!

Incredibly greedy, so much so that it's probably going to be their demise. Corporate greed. I guess 20 billion dollars is worth risking a couple hundred civilian lives.

Lisa · Dec 11, 2019

HumblePi said:
The FAA Knew

The Federal Aviation Administration was well aware of the fatal hazards with the Boeing 737 MAX before the March 2019 Ethiopian Airlines crash and allowed the planes to continue carrying passengers, a report shows. As the Wall Street Journal notes, the FAA had estimated that throughout its 30-45 year life cycle, the Boeing 737 MAX would have crashed roughly as many times as “all fatal passenger accidents over the previous three decades.”

Today, the House Transportation Committee released the results of a November 2018 FAA investigation, following the October 2018 Lion Air crash which killed 189 people. The FAA projected that Boeing 737 MAX planes would crash 15 times, or, once every two to three years. The report includes the even more horrifying line item: “total uncorrected fatalities: 2920.9.”

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In 2018 Lion Air was the second fatal crash of a 737 Max. I read about it and learned that Boeing had made the necessary software updates on most planes but that those purchased by Ethiopian Airlines and Lion Air, did not. When I learned that, I knew that someone at the FAA had turned a blind eye to this fatal flaw. Boeing's 20 BILLION contract was more than enough to shut more than a few FAA inspectors and others down.

This is corruption at the very highest level of Boeing and the FAA.

This is a disaster for Boeing and it was all because they wanted to save less than $2000 per plane. As a design engineer, I was appalled at the many mistakes because from start to finish it is exactly what you should not do in the design process. There were more red flags than the Kremlin and somehow they all manged to be ignored. Any moron with more than a dozen neurons could have forseen the consequences and still, they were permitted to happen. Management was criminally negligent and they need to be held accountable in a court of law.

This guy is an ex-military pilot and is currently a 757 pilot for a major airline and he has a long-running video blog about the 737. He is one of the very few who understand the issue at a nuts and bolts level.
YouTube

Lisa · Dec 11, 2019

lemmiwinx said:
Bad software combined with Ethiopian pilots probably not a good combination. I'd have booked a later flight.

It had nothing to do with the pilots. This plane was going to crash no matter who was at the controls because bad information was being fed to them by the plane's flight control systems and by the time the pilots understood what is happening it's too late to prevent a crash.

HumblePi · Dec 11, 2019

Lisa said:
This is a disaster for Boeing and it was all because they wanted to save less than $2000 per plane. As a design engineer, I was appalled at the many mistakes because from start to finish it is exactly what you should not do in the design process. There were more red flags than the Kremlin and somehow they all manged to be ignored. Any moron with more than a dozen neurons could have forseen the consequences and still, they were permitted to happen. Management was criminally negligent and they need to be held accountable in a court of law.

This guy is an ex-military pilot and is currently a 757 pilot for a major airline and he has a long-running video blog about the 737. He is one of the very few who understand the issue at a nuts and bolts level.
YouTube

I tried to watch all the video but he lost me at "There's a series of computers that go from the manual electric trim input on the yoke to the actual stabilizer trim x-screw, etc."
:think:

It doesn't concern me that Boeing was criminally negligent because they're a greedy big corporation, it bothers me more that the FAA may have been involved in a coverup. How much confidence can anyone that flies in an airplane have if it comes out that the FAA can be paid hush money to cover up defects in airplanes?

Divine_Wind · Dec 12, 2019

HumblePi said:
The FAA Knew

The Federal Aviation Administration was well aware of the fatal hazards with the Boeing 737 MAX before the March 2019 Ethiopian Airlines crash and allowed the planes to continue carrying passengers, a report shows. As the Wall Street Journal notes, the FAA had estimated that throughout its 30-45 year life cycle, the Boeing 737 MAX would have crashed roughly as many times as “all fatal passenger accidents over the previous three decades.”

Today, the House Transportation Committee released the results of a November 2018 FAA investigation, following the October 2018 Lion Air crash which killed 189 people. The FAA projected that Boeing 737 MAX planes would crash 15 times, or, once every two to three years. The report includes the even more horrifying line item: “total uncorrected fatalities: 2920.9.”

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In 2018 Lion Air was the second fatal crash of a 737 Max. I read about it and learned that Boeing had made the necessary software updates on most planes but that those purchased by Ethiopian Airlines and Lion Air, did not. When I learned that, I knew that someone at the FAA had turned a blind eye to this fatal flaw. Boeing's 20 BILLION contract was more than enough to shut more than a few FAA inspectors and others down.

This is corruption at the very highest level of Boeing and the FAA.

That's not corruption. It's incompetence and, like the testimony at the Apollo 1 investigation, "a failure of imagination". Also note that budget cuts have forced all government oversight agencies to cut back.

Notice that, despite the flaw, proper training allowed crews to avoid an accident as happened in a previous Lion flight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...143d06-f69c-11e9-b2d2-1f37c9d82dbb_story.html

Lisa · Dec 12, 2019

HumblePi said:
I tried to watch all the video but he lost me at "There's a series of computers that go from the manual electric trim input on the yoke to the actual stabilizer trim x-screw, etc."
:think:

It doesn't concern me that Boeing was criminally negligent because they're a greedy big corporation, it bothers me more that the FAA may have been involved in a coverup. How much confidence can anyone that flies in an airplane have if it comes out that the FAA can be paid hush money to cover up defects in airplanes?

That is geek-speak that I feed on 24-7. I guess that I wronglfully assumed that others are equally fluent.

It's an all-electric aircraft with fly-by-wire so any control inputs that the pilots make are sent through wires via various computers to the various servos at the control services.

You can't have any confidence because pallet loads of money can cover up a multitude of sins and bad decisions. This must be fixed but under the GOP and Trump, it won't be because it is bad for the bottom line when corporations are being held accountable in a way that they cannot buy themslves out of.

Grand Mal · Dec 12, 2019

lemmiwinx said:
Bad software combined with Ethiopian pilots probably not a good combination. I'd have booked a later flight.

Why, they too dark to be trainable?

HumblePi · Dec 12, 2019

Rising Sun said:
That's not corruption. It's incompetence and, like the testimony at the Apollo 1 investigation, "a failure of imagination". Also note that budget cuts have forced all government oversight agencies to cut back.

Notice that, despite the flaw, proper training allowed crews to avoid an accident as happened in a previous Lion flight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...143d06-f69c-11e9-b2d2-1f37c9d82dbb_story.html

Two weeks ago, there were two massive explosions at a Port Neches, Texas petrol-chemical plant. The videos were horrifying. People in that area were all exposed to toxic, carcinogenic chemicals. So that was two weeks ago and what has the public been told 'may have been' the cause? We've heard nothing at all about it since then and people are so wrapped up in these impeachment proceedings that the event in Texas just isn't anything people in other parts of this country are concerned about. But I would like to know, "what happened and whose fault is it?" This is, in my opinion, one of the most glaring indication that rolling back EPA regulations is downright dangerous. And, it's all been done for the benefit of 'the swamp'.

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But, Boeing's crimes and the failure of the FAA to ground those planes has more to do with bribery than EPA rollbacks. Boeing was aware of software design flaws for a full year before they notified airlines and regulators. The errors were not elevated to Boeing senior staff until after the Lion Air crash in 2018 when Boeing 'reportedly' notified airlines and some members of the FAA.

Boeing knew of 737 Max software error for a year before telling FAA - Business Insider

[snip] According to the report, Boeing waited until after the October Lion Air crash to begin telling airlines that the alert system had an issue, and waited five months — until the Ethiopian Airlines crash — to reveal more details. Another six weeks passed before the public and FAA acting chief Daniel Elwell learned of the issue. According to the Journal, who spoke to Boeing and the FAA, the FAA was only notified about the alert system failure after the Lion Air crash. The FAA reportedly reviewed the issue through February and determined that it wasn't a safety issue. [/end]

NO, that is not simply incompetence. It is willful, criminal, intentional and intended concealing of the possible dangers of the flawed software to the FAA. That has nothing at all to do with the rollback of regulations. This is corruption on the part of Boeing officials and those of the FAA. People were paid off. Years ago, my husband worked for Pratt & Whitney and the FAA monitored every little procedure, test, protocols, etc. There was a heavy FAA presence and oversight back then. In the Boeing case, this problem was known by Boeing since before the Lion Air crash in Oct. 2018 and the FAA wasn't notified until after the incident and it wasn't until Feb. 2019 that the FAA issued determined it was not a safety issue -- really? Does anyone believe that? There's some heads that will roll at Boeing and at the FAA and they deserve it.

Thoreau72 · Dec 12, 2019

HumblePi said:
The FAA Knew

The Federal Aviation Administration was well aware of the fatal hazards with the Boeing 737 MAX before the March 2019 Ethiopian Airlines crash and allowed the planes to continue carrying passengers, a report shows. As the Wall Street Journal notes, the FAA had estimated that throughout its 30-45 year life cycle, the Boeing 737 MAX would have crashed roughly as many times as “all fatal passenger accidents over the previous three decades.”

Today, the House Transportation Committee released the results of a November 2018 FAA investigation, following the October 2018 Lion Air crash which killed 189 people. The FAA projected that Boeing 737 MAX planes would crash 15 times, or, once every two to three years. The report includes the even more horrifying line item: “total uncorrected fatalities: 2920.9.”

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In 2018 Lion Air was the second fatal crash of a 737 Max. I read about it and learned that Boeing had made the necessary software updates on most planes but that those purchased by Ethiopian Airlines and Lion Air, did not. When I learned that, I knew that someone at the FAA had turned a blind eye to this fatal flaw. Boeing's 20 BILLION contract was more than enough to shut more than a few FAA inspectors and others down.

This is corruption at the very highest level of Boeing and the FAA.

And still, we trust our government. We are thoroughly indoctrinated.

Industry rules, especially those in the military industrial complex. We have a fascist situation, like it or not.

Thoreau72 · Dec 12, 2019

I completely agree with the theme of your posts here.

Such government behavior has happened with cigarettes and much more.

As we post the very same process is ongoing with 5G. Though all studies show radiation to be harmful to humans and other creatures, our mainstream media is busy selling 5G as the best thing since sliced bread. They have no conscience.

Divine_Wind · Dec 12, 2019

HumblePi said:
Two weeks ago, there were two massive explosions at a Port Neches, Texas petrol-chemical plant. The videos were horrifying. People in that area were all exposed to toxic, carcinogenic chemicals. So that was two weeks ago and what has the public been told 'may have been' the cause? We've heard nothing at all about it since then and people are so wrapped up in these impeachment proceedings that the event in Texas just isn't anything people in other parts of this country are concerned about. But I would like to know, "what happened and whose fault is it?" This is, in my opinion, one of the most glaring indication that rolling back EPA regulations is downright dangerous. And, it's all been done for the benefit of 'the swamp'.

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But, Boeing's crimes and the failure of the FAA to ground those planes has more to do with bribery than EPA rollbacks. Boeing was aware of software design flaws for a full year before they notified airlines and regulators. The errors were not elevated to Boeing senior staff until after the Lion Air crash in 2018 when Boeing 'reportedly' notified airlines and some members of the FAA.

Boeing knew of 737 Max software error for a year before telling FAA - Business Insider

[snip] According to the report, Boeing waited until after the October Lion Air crash to begin telling airlines that the alert system had an issue, and waited five months — until the Ethiopian Airlines crash — to reveal more details. Another six weeks passed before the public and FAA acting chief Daniel Elwell learned of the issue. According to the Journal, who spoke to Boeing and the FAA, the FAA was only notified about the alert system failure after the Lion Air crash. The FAA reportedly reviewed the issue through February and determined that it wasn't a safety issue. [/end]

NO, that is not simply incompetence. It is willful, criminal, intentional and intended concealing of the possible dangers of the flawed software to the FAA. That has nothing at all to do with the rollback of regulations. This is corruption on the part of Boeing officials and those of the FAA. People were paid off. Years ago, my husband worked for Pratt & Whitney and the FAA monitored every little procedure, test, protocols, etc. There was a heavy FAA presence and oversight back then. In the Boeing case, this problem was known by Boeing since before the Lion Air crash in Oct. 2018 and the FAA wasn't notified until after the incident and it wasn't until Feb. 2019 that the FAA issued determined it was not a safety issue -- really? Does anyone believe that? There's some heads that will roll at Boeing and at the FAA and they deserve it.

Isn't such things expected to happen when funding is cut to oversight agencies? It's one thing to "trim the fat", but our nation has been cutting into meat and bone for about 20 years now. Expect more of the same before something is done....if Trump doesn't bankrupt the nation first.

HumblePi · Dec 12, 2019

Rising Sun said:
Isn't such things expected to happen when funding is cut to oversight agencies? It's one thing to "trim the fat", but our nation has been cutting into meat and bone for about 20 years now. Expect more of the same before something is done....if Trump doesn't bankrupt the nation first.

Yes, but funding to the FAA was not cut by EO, so their lack of oversight, whether it was intentional or not was not influenced by cuts in EPA regulations. Look at this from Boeing's viewpoint. Boeing is the world's biggest aircraft manufacturer. Boeing had agreements with Iranian airlines for planes worth about $20 billion. When Trump withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, that threatened Boeing's multi-billion dollar deal with Iran and Boeing lost that contract. But the 737 Max was Boeing's fastest selling airplane worldwide. They had more than 5,000 orders with over 100 customers for this particular plane. In addition to the profound revenue sources that immediately dried up for Boeing with the Iran deal, their stock plunged losing $28 billion dollars just since last March.

I don't believe that this whole scandal has very much to do with EPA regulations being weakened, I believe it has everything to do with money. That's why both Boeing and the US government watchdog agency kept it hush-hush.

Divine_Wind · Dec 12, 2019

HumblePi said:
Yes, but funding to the FAA was not cut by EO, so their lack of oversight, whether it was intentional or not was not influenced by cuts in EPA regulations. Look at this from Boeing's viewpoint. Boeing is the world's biggest aircraft manufacturer. Boeing had agreements with Iranian airlines for planes worth about $20 billion. When Trump withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, that threatened Boeing's multi-billion dollar deal with Iran and Boeing lost that contract. But the 737 Max was Boeing's fastest selling airplane worldwide. They had more than 5,000 orders with over 100 customers for this particular plane. In addition to the profound revenue sources that immediately dried up for Boeing with the Iran deal, their stock plunged losing $28 billion dollars just since last March.

I don't believe that this whole scandal has very much to do with EPA regulations being weakened, I believe it has everything to do with money. That's why both Boeing and the US government watchdog agency kept it hush-hush.

The Federal budget cuts go back to the Clinton administration, mostly from the Republicans, and the real hacking away at meat and bone started in the Bush 43 administration.

Correct about EPA, but clearly all Federal oversight agencies have seen drastic budget cuts to the point of dysfunction.

Grand Mal · Dec 12, 2019

lemmiwinx said:
Bad software combined with Ethiopian pilots probably not a good combination. I'd have booked a later flight.

Still wondering why you reference Ethiopian pilots. What's your point?
Maybe you're hoping to get away with a drive-by racist dig, imply that Ethiopians can't be trained properly. That what you're doing here?

dcsports · Dec 12, 2019

Grand Mal said:
Still wondering why you reference Ethiopian pilots. What's your point?
Maybe you're hoping to get away with a drive-by racist dig, imply that Ethiopians can't be trained properly. That what you're doing here?

I don't think the reference was phrased well, but the issue here was the non-US pilots. The US airlines have a much higher standard of training, and require more simulator time, than those in other countries. They also focus on training pilots to deal with things that break in simulation, so they can remain calm and take appropriate action when something goes wrong in real life. Many countries, especially those less developed, don't do that.

The issue here is that it was a known problem. Beoing had a plan for identifying when it occurs, and instructions on what to do, in the manual for the aircraft. US pilots were briefed - and that's why it hadn't shown up in the US. It wasn't that it never occurred, but that the pilots identified the issue and turned off the autopilot.

The issue was with the foreign carriers who didn't review the manuals. One of the planes that crashed actually ran into the issue on a morning flight - the crew had a third pilot, who pulled the manual in the cockpit, found the reference, and instructed the pilots on the resolution. That crew did not communicate this to the next crew, which then had a crash.

It's not to say that Boeing shares no responsibility - they knew that these other airlines were using their product, and were not held to the same standard. But at the same time, I don't think they were playing a game of calculus weighing deaths against rushing the fix. They felt that this was a known issue that could be managed with proper training until the fix was put in place.

Lord Tammerlain · Dec 12, 2019

dcsports said:
I don't think the reference was phrased well, but the issue here was the non-US pilots. The US airlines have a much higher standard of training, and require more simulator time, than those in other countries. They also focus on training pilots to deal with things that break in simulation, so they can remain calm and take appropriate action when something goes wrong in real life. Many countries, especially those less developed, don't do that.

The issue here is that it was a known problem. Beoing had a plan for identifying when it occurs, and instructions on what to do, in the manual for the aircraft. US pilots were briefed - and that's why it hadn't shown up in the US. It wasn't that it never occurred, but that the pilots identified the issue and turned off the autopilot.

The issue was with the foreign carriers who didn't review the manuals. One of the planes that crashed actually ran into the issue on a morning flight - the crew had a third pilot, who pulled the manual in the cockpit, found the reference, and instructed the pilots on the resolution. That crew did not communicate this to the next crew, which then had a crash.

It's not to say that Boeing shares no responsibility - they knew that these other airlines were using their product, and were not held to the same standard. But at the same time, I don't think they were playing a game of calculus weighing deaths against rushing the fix. They felt that this was a known issue that could be managed with proper training until the fix was put in place.

MCAS was not in the manual, no extra training was required to fly 737 Max planes vs non max planes (a requirement from Southwest airline). A large number of pilots would have zero knowledge that the MCAS system was on the plane and how to disable it. That is one of the problems

The overall issues with the 737 Max are
1. Unstable flight characteristics due to new larger engine being used, requiring an anti stall system being put in place
2. The anti stall system being more intrusive, and relying on fewer sensors then originally planned.
3. Due to a major customer requirement, Boeing worked hard with the FAA to prevent any simulation time being required to fly the 737 Max when moving from other 737 models.

Many potential fixes would have included the mentioning of the MCAS system in pilot manuals, ensuring the MCAS system was using multiple sensors rather than just one. Ensuring that all pilots were aware of how to disable the system should it come up. Lots of US pilots had no idea the MCAS system was on the 737 Max planes.

Boeing darn fooked up, the FAA looked the other way, a lot of people died, and Boeing now has a bad reputation for being a cheap company seeking profits over safety

Divine_Wind · Dec 12, 2019

Lord Tammerlain said:
MCAS was not in the manual, no extra training was required to fly 737 Max planes vs non max planes (a requirement from Southwest airline). A large number of pilots would have zero knowledge that the MCAS system was on the plane and how to disable it. That is one of the problems

The overall issues with the 737 Max are
1. Unstable flight characteristics due to new larger engine being used, requiring an anti stall system being put in place
2. The anti stall system being more intrusive, and relying on fewer sensors then originally planned.
3. Due to a major customer requirement, Boeing worked hard with the FAA to prevent any simulation time being required to fly the 737 Max when moving from other 737 models.

Many potential fixes would have included the mentioning of the MCAS system in pilot manuals, ensuring the MCAS system was using multiple sensors rather than just one. Ensuring that all pilots were aware of how to disable the system should it come up. Lots of US pilots had no idea the MCAS system was on the 737 Max planes.

Boeing darn fooked up, the FAA looked the other way, a lot of people died, and Boeing now has a bad reputation for being a cheap company seeking profits over safety

Agreed about the MCAS** and the general lack of knowledge by the pilots. Also agreed that Boeing pushed hard to avoid extra simulator time in transitioning to the 737 Max. Simulators are $4K/4 hour session for two pilots. With 9,700 pilots, that's not just $19.4M extra but since simulator time is limited due to annual recurrent training requirements, it'd be problematic time-wise to get everyone trained for that particular aircraft.

Points of clarification:
1) Airliners already have anti-stall systems. The one on the Max is different in order to compensate for the loss of power should one of the larger engines fail.

3) As noted above, to remain competitive against Airbus, Boeing did push hard to keep a common type and minimize simulator time for the 737 Max. Note that Airbus has a common type between their mid-sized airliner A320 series and their heavy A330 airliners. I always wondered who they bought off to allow a common type between two very different types of aircraft.

**Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS). Saying MCAS system is like saying Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System System.

Thoreau72 · Dec 12, 2019

A disinterested but informed observer might wonder why through the whole 737 line from the -100 on that did not need to have its maneuvering characteristics augmented, how the MAX iteration would need one?

He might also wonder why the MAX was incorporated into the original type certificate, when it was so different in so many ways from the originals that its maneuvering characteristics were sufficiently inadequate that they needed to be augmented.

Boeing cheated the certification process, plain and simple.

Omega Man · Dec 12, 2019

HumblePi said:
...it's probably going to be their demise.

Nope. The world needs Boeing much more than a single aircraft product line would ever suggest.

OM

Omega Man · Dec 12, 2019

Grand Mal said:
Why, they too dark to be trainable?

Inadequate levels of training compared to even median contemporaries has nothing to do with melanin.

OM

Lisa · Dec 12, 2019

Lord Tammerlain said:
MCAS was not in the manual, no extra training was required to fly 737 Max planes vs non max planes (a requirement from Southwest airline). A large number of pilots would have zero knowledge that the MCAS system was on the plane and how to disable it. That is one of the problems

The overall issues with the 737 Max are
1. Unstable flight characteristics due to the new larger engine being used, requiring an anti-stall system being put in place
2. The anti stall system being more intrusive, and relying on fewer sensors then originally planned.
3. Due to a major customer requirement, Boeing worked hard with the FAA to prevent any simulation time being required to fly the 737 Max when moving from other 737 models.

Many potential fixes would have included the mentioning of the MCAS system in pilot manuals, ensuring the MCAS system was using multiple sensors rather than just one. Ensuring that all pilots were aware of how to disable the system should it come up. Lots of US pilots had no idea the MCAS system was on the 737 Max planes.

Boeing darn fooked up, the FAA looked the other way, a lot of people died, and Boeing now has a bad reputation for being a cheap company seeking profits over safety

Exactly correct. The pilots didn't know it was there, how it functioned or how to disable it. The fact that it relied on only one sensor for input information made it a death trap because there was no redundancy in such a critical function.

HumblePi · Dec 12, 2019

Omega Man said:
Nope. The world needs Boeing much more than a single aircraft product line would ever suggest.

OM

Boeing has been facing aggressive international competitors who are intently focused on increasing their market share, such as Airbus, a joint enterprise between France, Spain and German, Embraer a Brazilian aerospace company - the 3rd largest aircraft manufacturer and Bombardier Aviation in Quebec.

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