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[W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

Hes 10th place out of 10 in the troll competition.

I wouldn't rate him that high. My cat could do better, if he wasn't sleeping.....................
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

Someone is reading Ben ****piro

Shapiro is a professional BS artist and conservative troll. He is a millennial Donald Trump and wanna-be Ann Coulter. His name tool are strawman arguments and ad hominems.


Benjamin Aaron Shapiro (1984–) is a conservative talker, UCLA- and Harvard-educated lawyer, founder of Truth Revolt (2013-2018) and The Daily Wire (2015-ongoing), catcaller, and dogwhistler. He is also an insufferable asshole, a pseudointellectual hack, and a terrible author. He is best known for his largely fact-free criticisms of "left-wing" ideas; in particular, he is famous for the phrase facts don't care about your feelings. Of course, Shapiro denies anthropogenic global warming, supports intelligent design, and is religiously Jewish. Shapiro also once stormed off a BBC interview when the interviewer read his quotes back to him. Shapiro's main shtick is to whine about the persecution of straight, white, conservative men by the liberal media and to fear-monger about "coastal elites" liberally indoctrinating[note 2] the unwitting public into communism.

Shapiro earned his spurs as a writer for Townhall and WND, but is better known for his close association with Andrew Breitbart, even becoming an editor (and then editor-at-large) for Breitbart.com. He acrimoniously resigned after Breitbart refused to defend one of their own reporters after she accused Corey Lewandowski (then Trump's campaign manager) of forcefully manhandling her. Shapiro has since become a frequent critic of Steve Bannon and the alt-right, Shapiro has written several books, including "Post-Obama thriller" called True Allegiance and a manual titled How to Debate Leftists and Destroy Them[10].

Shapiro's wife is a doctor. Don't worry, he'll let you know.
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

These kinds of stories are why allegations of systematic police brutality exist. It would not surprise me if these officers got a slap on the wrist.

I accept that police work is emotionally very taxing work, but that is no excuse to use innocent bystanders as human shields. This was literally murder by these police.
I wouldn't call it 'murder', since murder requires the intention to take innocent life. But if the officers in charge were to be prosecuted for criminal negligence causing death (which won't happen), you'd get no objections from me.

I wouldn't want prosecutors to go after any of the officers except those responsible for initiating the firefight or who'd been in a position to prevent it or call it off. The reason being that once the bullets start flying, both sides are committed to the battle. You can't leave your own side outgunned.

But whoever ordered the op or could have prevented it but didn't: throw the book at them.
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

It would be nice if Dems and Republicans could agree on a bill that mandates that all top police officials attend a yearly workshop on smart police tactics. They could then return to their locality and teach their officers how to handle dangerous situations. Many towns and cities have very poorly trained cops.
Obviously the training is one thing to look at, but my understanding is that police in every jurisdiction in America get at least two years of "urban warfare" training, complete with indoor firefight simulations, etc. Certainly a police force in a city as big and wealthy as Miami would have such training in place, no?

Are there any police officers (or spouses of police officers) in the readership who could shed some additional light on the subject?
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

As reported by ZeroHedge:

Miami police and other officers appear to have used surrounding bystanders as "human shields" when they responded to the the hijacked UPS truck following an armed heist of a jewelry store Thursday. After suspects led police on a two-county rush-hour chase through Miami which ended in a hail of gunfire in the middle of crowded traffic on Miramar Parkway and Flamingo Road, hundreds of police bullets from 19 officers firing on the truck brought it to an end.

As we reported earlier, four people have been confirmed dead, including the robbers and the UPS driver, since identified as 27-year-old Frank Ordonez, who unluckily had been taken hostage on a day he was reportedly filling in for another driver. Some of his own family members are blaming the "trigger happy" Florida police for killing him in their overeagerness to stop the criminals.

An investigation is underway which will also focus on the other innocent bystander that died — an unidentified person shot while trapped at the intersection in one of the many surrounding vehicles.

...

It is as yet unclear whether a police bullet or one of the robbers actually killed Ordonez. But what is clear from overhead video is that some among the responding officers actually hid behind vehicles with bystanders and families in them, who were trying to flee as gunfire rang out.

Though in the initial press conference in the immediate aftermath the issue wasn't raised, national media is beginning to acknowledge the growing public outrage. NPR reports:

Former [U.S. Department] Department of Housing and Urban Development official Brandon Friedman described the shootout as "appalling." He said the department should be held accountable for "choosing to assault the vehicle in the middle of stopped rush hour traffic" and using occupied vehicles as "human shields."​

From one of the overhead news chopper videos, one panicked blue SUV is seen attempting to ram its way out of being in the direct line of fire, between the suspects shooting at police and the police themselves.​

The article contains details, footage and pages of reactions from all quarters.

Nine times out of ten, I fall on the side of "police business is dirty work; there are always major risks; let them do their jobs" but this approach to thwarting a van hijacking strikes me as unforgivable lunacy. Starting a massive gunfight, in a hostage situation, in the middle of rush hour traffic on a freeway, using occupied commuter cars as cover? What were these officers thinking? How could this possibly comport with recommended operating procedures?

I hope for the sake of Floridians and the Miami police force that the senior officers who made this call lose their badges.

What say you? Too hash? Too lenient?

I saw the video where the cops were shooting from behind a slowly moving SUV that has people in it!!

Those cops need to go. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

I'm all about cops arresting/using appropriate force against Lying Libs but this could've been handled a bit more tactically.

So my advice to Lying Libs is don't break the law because these young Call of Duty cops will spray and pray you LOL

Dude, just because someone is to the left of fascists, it doesn't make them a "Lying Lib." :lamo
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

It appears someone here who has zero police knowledge has been watching too much Hollywood cop shows.

The motto is To Serve and To Protect. Unfortunately not all departments operate the samne.
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

How do we know they're Lying Libs and not Conservo Cons? :)

Seriously, though: As much as I disagree with progressives (or "liberals", which is increasingly a misnomer), it isn't the least bit fair or productive to equate liberalism/progressivism with criminality. Let's be reasonable.

You need to take your request for reason elsewhere if you want a positive response.
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

As reported by ZeroHedge:

Miami police and other officers appear to have used surrounding bystanders as "human shields" when they responded to the the hijacked UPS truck following an armed heist of a jewelry store Thursday. After suspects led police on a two-county rush-hour chase through Miami which ended in a hail of gunfire in the middle of crowded traffic on Miramar Parkway and Flamingo Road, hundreds of police bullets from 19 officers firing on the truck brought it to an end.

As we reported earlier, four people have been confirmed dead, including the robbers and the UPS driver, since identified as 27-year-old Frank Ordonez, who unluckily had been taken hostage on a day he was reportedly filling in for another driver. Some of his own family members are blaming the "trigger happy" Florida police for killing him in their overeagerness to stop the criminals.

An investigation is underway which will also focus on the other innocent bystander that died — an unidentified person shot while trapped at the intersection in one of the many surrounding vehicles.

...

It is as yet unclear whether a police bullet or one of the robbers actually killed Ordonez. But what is clear from overhead video is that some among the responding officers actually hid behind vehicles with bystanders and families in them, who were trying to flee as gunfire rang out.

Though in the initial press conference in the immediate aftermath the issue wasn't raised, national media is beginning to acknowledge the growing public outrage. NPR reports:

Former [U.S. Department] Department of Housing and Urban Development official Brandon Friedman described the shootout as "appalling." He said the department should be held accountable for "choosing to assault the vehicle in the middle of stopped rush hour traffic" and using occupied vehicles as "human shields."​

From one of the overhead news chopper videos, one panicked blue SUV is seen attempting to ram its way out of being in the direct line of fire, between the suspects shooting at police and the police themselves.​

The article contains details, footage and pages of reactions from all quarters.

Nine times out of ten, I fall on the side of "police business is dirty work; there are always major risks; let them do their jobs" but this approach to thwarting a van hijacking strikes me as unforgivable lunacy. Starting a massive gunfight, in a hostage situation, in the middle of rush hour traffic on a freeway, using occupied commuter cars as cover? What were these officers thinking? How could this possibly comport with recommended operating procedures?

I hope for the sake of Floridians and the Miami police force that the senior officers who made this call lose their badges.

What say you? Too hash? Too lenient?

Holllllly ****. Using a family of people in a car for cover is definitely putting them in direct danger.

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re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

LOL but the hijackers were.

Nice attempt though.

Criminals being criminals doesn't justify the police killing civilians.
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

Dude, just because someone is to the left of fascists, it doesn't make them a "Lying Lib." :lamo

This guy is so far off the deep end he thinks crime is inherently liberal.
 
re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

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Re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

I wouldn't call it 'murder', since murder requires the intention to take innocent life. But if the officers in charge were to be prosecuted for criminal negligence causing death (which won't happen), you'd get no objections from me.

I wouldn't want prosecutors to go after any of the officers except those responsible for initiating the firefight or who'd been in a position to prevent it or call it off. The reason being that once the bullets start flying, both sides are committed to the battle. You can't leave your own side outgunned.

But whoever ordered the op or could have prevented it but didn't: throw the book at them.

I'd be fine with manslaughter charges.
 
Re: [W:87]Outrage After Police Use Bystanders As "Human Shields" In Florida UPS Truck Shootout

As reported by ZeroHedge:

Miami police and other officers appear to have used surrounding bystanders as "human shields" when they responded to the the hijacked UPS truck following an armed heist of a jewelry store Thursday. After suspects led police on a two-county rush-hour chase through Miami which ended in a hail of gunfire in the middle of crowded traffic on Miramar Parkway and Flamingo Road, hundreds of police bullets from 19 officers firing on the truck brought it to an end.

As we reported earlier, four people have been confirmed dead, including the robbers and the UPS driver, since identified as 27-year-old Frank Ordonez, who unluckily had been taken hostage on a day he was reportedly filling in for another driver. Some of his own family members are blaming the "trigger happy" Florida police for killing him in their overeagerness to stop the criminals.

An investigation is underway which will also focus on the other innocent bystander that died — an unidentified person shot while trapped at the intersection in one of the many surrounding vehicles.

...

It is as yet unclear whether a police bullet or one of the robbers actually killed Ordonez. But what is clear from overhead video is that some among the responding officers actually hid behind vehicles with bystanders and families in them, who were trying to flee as gunfire rang out.

Though in the initial press conference in the immediate aftermath the issue wasn't raised, national media is beginning to acknowledge the growing public outrage. NPR reports:

Former [U.S. Department] Department of Housing and Urban Development official Brandon Friedman described the shootout as "appalling." He said the department should be held accountable for "choosing to assault the vehicle in the middle of stopped rush hour traffic" and using occupied vehicles as "human shields."​

From one of the overhead news chopper videos, one panicked blue SUV is seen attempting to ram its way out of being in the direct line of fire, between the suspects shooting at police and the police themselves.​

The article contains details, footage and pages of reactions from all quarters.

Nine times out of ten, I fall on the side of "police business is dirty work; there are always major risks; let them do their jobs" but this approach to thwarting a van hijacking strikes me as unforgivable lunacy. Starting a massive gunfight, in a hostage situation, in the middle of rush hour traffic on a freeway, using occupied commuter cars as cover? What were these officers thinking? How could this possibly comport with recommended operating procedures?

I hope for the sake of Floridians and the Miami police force that the senior officers who made this call lose their badges.

What say you? Too hash? Too lenient?

I agree that the cops went way overboard. Who really gives a damn if a UPS van is hijacked? Only the people whose Christmas packages are onboard I guess.

Rumor has it that the Metro Dade guys are trained to the Israeli Standard. If true that is a possible explanation for the insane and irresponsible actions of the police.
 
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