[W:532]Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

[Vern]

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said he's "1,000 percent confident" Russia was responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC) as part of an effort to interfere in the 2016 election, dismissing the theory that Ukraine played a role in the breach.....


"I have no evidence [Ukraine] did. Russia stole the emails, not the Ukraine," he added.

Asked about whether Trump was muddying his defense by pushing the claim, Graham said he thinks it's "always wrong to say things that can't be proven."

Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC | TheHill

Wow, even Graham shreds the latest "defense" of trump. to be clear, its not news that the "Ukrainians did it" was a lie. We've always known that. Its news that he's actually saying it.

 

[Cardinal]

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Graham remembers what it was like to have integrity, and I think that memory bothers him. He must loathe himself.

 

[HumblePi]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Graham is like a mid-life woman going through menopause. One day he's hot-flashing defending Trump and the next day he sobs because he did. Lindsey Graham has earned the rights for every person to take whatever he says on any given day and just mentally toss it into the garbage heap of mundane nonessential blithering rhetoric. I wouldn't care if Lindsey Graham announced tonight that he's 'seen the light' and is so repulsed by the GOP that he's tossing in his club ID as a Repub and changing his party affiliation to Independent. So what, who cares? When I see Lindsey Graham making a statement for the reporters in the halls of Congress, all I hear is 'lah-te-dah-dee-do, lah-te-dah-dee-day'. He's white noise to my ears, totally unheard lyrics to his song de jour.

 

[azgreg]

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He needs to tell his boy Kennedy.

 

[Mr Person]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

So....there's one thing he won't lie about. Good, I guess....





I hope Trump fails to realize that he cannot ex-communicate Graham at this point.

 

[Oborosen]

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We know that both the Ukraine and Russia meddled in the election, and I can't even recall someone saying that we were actually hacked by the Ukraine.

So what is this supposed to prove?

 

[haymarket]

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We know that both the Ukraine and Russia meddled in the election, and I can't even recall someone saying that we were actually hacked by the Ukraine.

So what is this supposed to prove?

How exactly did Ukraine meddle in the election?

 

[Airyaman]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

We know that both the Ukraine and Russia meddled in the election, and I can't even recall someone saying that we were actually hacked by the Ukraine.

So what is this supposed to prove?

"I think Boris [Johnson] is very capable and I think he’ll do a good job." - Donald Trump

So if Ukrainians made public statements about Trump prior to the election and that is meddling, would you say this statement is meddling in the British elections?

 

[Oborosen]

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How exactly did Ukraine meddle in the election?

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - POLITICO

Ukraine Court Rules Manafort Disclosure Caused ‘Meddling’ in U.S. Election - The New York Times

 

[Oborosen]

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"I think Boris [Johnson] is very capable and I think he’ll do a good job." - Donald Trump

So if Ukrainians made public statements about Trump prior to the election and that is meddling, would you say this statement is meddling in the British elections?

No, but this doesn't concern public statements. It concerns actions.

 

[Airyaman]

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No, but this doesn't concern public statements. It concerns actions.

What actions?

 

[Somerville]

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Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - POLITICO

Ukraine Court Rules Manafort Disclosure Caused ‘Meddling’ in U.S. Election - The New York Times

Obviously you read little more than the headline of the POLITICO article.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said “I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we've seen in this case.”

There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election.
(. . .)
In January 2016 — months before Manafort had taken any role in Trump’s campaign — Chalupa told a senior DNC official that, when it came to Trump’s campaign, “I felt there was a Russia connection,” Chalupa recalled. “And that, if there was, that we can expect Paul Manafort to be involved in this election,” said Chalupa, who at the time also was warning leaders in the Ukrainian-American community that Manafort was “Putin’s political brain for manipulating U.S. foreign policy and elections.”

Looks like it's not just Fox and other media outlets which use headlines to grab the attention of readers, headlines which aren't always supported by the attached article.

Also, I thought all 'conservatives' know that the NYTimes never ever prints real news so why are you copying a headline from that librul fake newz site?

 

[TomFitz]

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What actions?

Get comfortable.

You won’t get and answer. He made it up.

 

[code1211]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said he's "1,000 percent confident" Russia was responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC) as part of an effort to interfere in the 2016 election, dismissing the theory that Ukraine played a role in the breach.....


"I have no evidence [Ukraine] did. Russia stole the emails, not the Ukraine," he added.

Asked about whether Trump was muddying his defense by pushing the claim, Graham said he thinks it's "always wrong to say things that can't be proven."

Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC | TheHill

Wow, even Graham shreds the latest "defense" of trump. to be clear, its not news that the "Ukrainians did it" was a lie. We've always known that. Its news that he's actually saying it.

That's interesting.

So now the demand for action that never happened conditioned on the withdrawal of aid that never occurred was made of a country that was never involved.

Kinda makes the Democrat-Socialists seem even more incoherent today than they did yesterday.

 

[TomFitz]

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We know that both the Ukraine and Russia meddled in the election, and I can't even recall someone saying that we were actually hacked by the Ukraine.

So what is this supposed to prove?

The only episode that I can think of that even involved Ukraine in the 2016 election was the revelation that the pro Russians Ukranian government slipped Paul Manafort secret cash payments.

I was not surprised at this at all, at the time.

Manafort had been Moscow’s man for a decade at that point. The talk radio types who worship the fool’s gold fuhrer didn’t know that. None of them even know who Paul Manafort was.

But Manafort’s role as Moscow’s advance man for Viktor Yanokovich (living in exile in Moscow now), was very well known in Ukraine, Moscow and in Washington, DC.

This is part and parcel of Trump’s weakness. It’s always about him, and avenging slights. Not much of anything else.

The story blew Manafort up. Trump didn’t have the stones to to tell him in person either (he never does).

That’s when Moscow moved in to install a new team in the Trump campaign. Enter Bannon, Kelly Ann Conway,and their real boss, Robert Mercer.

 

[TomFitz]

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That's interesting.

So now the demand for action that never happened conditioned on the withdrawal of aid that never occurred was made of a country that was never involved.

Kinda makes the Democrat-Socialists seem even more incoherent today than they did yesterday.

Nothing in your response is true.

 

[Somerville]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

That's interesting.

So now the demand for action that never happened conditioned on the withdrawal of aid that never occurred was made of a country that was never involved.

Kinda makes the Democrat-Socialists seem even more incoherent today than they did yesterday.

The bolded words are yet one more sign that the political division in America is becoming deeper and wider. For me, and I assume others, it was the GOPers who were incoherent during the hearing yesterday and not the Democratic congress critters or the 3 law professors who testified and were queried by both sides. I didn't hear one Democrat use personal attacks against Jonathan Turley unlike Collins, Gaetz and Jordan and their comments directed at the 3 law professors.

 

[ocean515]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Obviously you read little more than the headline of the POLITICO article.



Looks like it's not just Fox and other media outlets which use headlines to grab the attention of readers, headlines which aren't always supported by the attached article.

Also, I thought all 'conservatives' know that the NYTimes never ever prints real news so why are you copying a headline from that librul fake newz site?

So you provided information that argues Russia and Ukraine meddled, and then deny Ukraine meddled?

:screwy

 

[ecofarm]

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"Ukraine meddled" is impossibly stupid.

 

[Somerville]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

So you provided information that argues Russia and Ukraine meddled, and then deny Ukraine meddled?

:screwy

Hmmm, I don't believe SABOTAGE = meddling, at least in my world it doesn't. Yeah, I agree your argument is :screwy Sorry, your comment doesn't actually reach the level of "argument"

- also, it wasn't Ukraine that meddled, it was individuals with Ukrainian and American citizenship - NOT the government of Ukraine, unlike the Russian attacks.

 

[ocean515]

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Hmmm, I don't believe SABOTAGE = meddling, at least in my world it doesn't. Yeah, I agree your argument is :screwy Sorry, your comment doesn't actually reach the level of "argument"

Ukraine meddles. You provide what you believe is evidence of that meddling. And then claim they didn't really meddle.

Who's argument is screwy?

 

[haymarket]

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Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - POLITICO

Ukraine Court Rules Manafort Disclosure Caused ‘Meddling’ in U.S. Election - The New York Times

Neither constitutes illegal meddling in our election to help Clinton and both are trying to make a mountain out of a tiny molehill compared to what Russia did and Trump willingly accepted and utilized. Your second source indicts Manafort and Trump.

 

[Somerville]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Ukraine meddles. You provide what you believe is evidence of that meddling. And then claim they didn't really meddle.

Who's argument is screwy?

WOW!! I thought you were better at this game. Here in bigger letters that maybe you will comprehend, or maybe not.

SABOTAGE DOES NOT EQUAL MEDDLING.

 

[ocean515]

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WOW!! I thought you were better at this game. Here in bigger letters that maybe you will comprehend, or maybe not.

SABOTAGE DOES NOT EQUAL MEDDLING.

When do you plan to enter the game?

You're so far from the game, you don't even realize how lame your claim is.

Sabotage doesn't equal meddling?

:2funny:

One of the better examples of face plant I've seen in a recent days.

 

[code1211]

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Nothing in your response is true.

Seems odd that it required a response from you.