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[W:532]Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

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Vern said:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said he's "1,000 percent confident" Russia was responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC) as part of an effort to interfere in the 2016 election, dismissing the theory that Ukraine played a role in the breach.....


"I have no evidence [Ukraine] did. Russia stole the emails, not the Ukraine," he added.

Asked about whether Trump was muddying his defense by pushing the claim, Graham said he thinks it's "always wrong to say things that can't be proven."

Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC | TheHill

Wow, even Graham shreds the latest "defense" of trump. to be clear, its not news that the "Ukrainians did it" was a lie. We've always known that. Its news that he's actually saying it.
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I'm even more certain than Graham that the DNC material was not hacked, it was leaked. Forensics work against you Lindsey.
 
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chuckiechan said:
I think it’s a fair to ask if Biden’s missions to Ukraine were to encourage them to work against Trump and republicans in general. Ukraine under the Obama Admin was and still is a corrupt rathole that cannot be written off by partisan hacks. After, no investigation seems too outrageous if the target is a Republican.

The bigger question is why are democrats not in favor of an investigation? Or was there only one Republican Manafort, and they are protecting the democrat ones?

And before you TDS rage, you don’t know squat unless you are a part of it. It is an open question. And one I am not afraid to get the answer too.
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I think you replied to the wrong post.
 
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Vern said:
poor Obo, Ukraine did not "meddle" in our election. I put "meddle" in quotes because you obviously have a magical definition. Someone in Ukraine leaked the fact that manafort was getting illegal payouts from a pro Russian party. You just don't get to equate that to the govt of Russia using its resources to actively attack our democracy to help trump win.

and fyi, trump and his house stooges are saying Ukraine hacked us



Here's testimony from the senior director for Europe and Russia on the National Security Council.

Based on questions and statements I have heard, some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country—and that perhaps, somehow, for some reason, Ukraine did. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...d-trump-help-russia.html?highlight=propagated
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Strange, still upset that the Ukraine was still meddling, and now you're just going to throw in whatever you can...

I honestly don't' care what Trump, or his people say. They have just as capable of being wrong as you are.
 
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Vern said:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said he's "1,000 percent confident" Russia was responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC) as part of an effort to interfere in the 2016 election, dismissing the theory that Ukraine played a role in the breach.....


"I have no evidence [Ukraine] did. Russia stole the emails, not the Ukraine," he added.

Asked about whether Trump was muddying his defense by pushing the claim, Graham said he thinks it's "always wrong to say things that can't be proven."

Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC | TheHill

Wow, even Graham shreds the latest "defense" of trump. to be clear, its not news that the "Ukrainians did it" was a lie. We've always known that. Its news that he's actually saying it.
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So is Graham still calling for an investigation into the Biden's? It appears so....

Push to investigate Bidens sets up potential for Senate turf war | TheHill
 
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Somerville said:
Yes, he did by referring to the English origins of American law

However, Prof Turley also also agreed with the other scholars that “it is possible to impeach a president for noncriminal acts.”

Turley made no statement in regards to Trump acting like an absolute monarch, though others have mentioned the similarities.

Yes, public displays of childish idiocy does invite derision from adults and also a desire to educate the ignorant - which was what the "three propagandists" tried to provide to the hearing, though it was rather obvious that some attendees seemingly preferred "childish behaviour" over adult-like actions.



1) There were no "Democrat-Socialists" on the Congressional Panel, there were however Democratic Representatives and some others who cast shame upon their party's history of more adult-style behaviour.

2) Very adult-like to cast aspersions upon a person who has a differing political viewpoint but not unexpected. Personally, I viewed it as another statement about Trump's apparent desire to make himself King, a monarch with the ability to ennoble people.

3) The thing about skunks, you don't know they are nearby unless they see you as a danger, that is if nobody within a mile of your location has upset one. If you happen upon a skunk and it starts to "dance" - run away. Did you know that skunks are immune to snake venom? They like eating snakes.
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That's an interesting bit of info on Skunks being immune to Snake venom.

The link below shows Matt Gaetz asking if any of the Constitutional experts called by the Democrat-Socialists have personal knowledge of a single material fact in the Schiff report, there was silence.

In this case, silence speaks volumes.

Three of them, all obviously Trump haters, spent the entire hearing employing the presumption of guilt. They based their firmly held presumptions on absolutely nothing. According to their silence, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

This, again, speaks volumes.

In truth, there is one person who had actual, first hand testimony of what the President said he wanted and how he said he wanted it. Sondland testified that Trump said he wanted Zelensky "to do the right thing".

So far, this is the only evidence giving an insight into what the president wanted and how he wanted it. More importantly, what he ordered and how he ordered it.

EVERYTHING else is assumption, presumption, wild guessing, made up crap and outright lies.

3/4 of the "Constitutional Law Experts" accept the assumption, presumption, wild guessing, made up crap and outright lies as evidence. Hacks!

One of them has fantasies that Trump named his 13 year old son "Baron" in an effort to install him as a member of a yet to be established American royalty. She displays issues that reach far beyond political bias.

WATCH: Republican’s ‘Raise Your Hand’ Question At Impeachment Hearing Goes Viral | The Daily Wire
 
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Vern said:
Code, that response is just sad. The reason you’ve posted such a convoluted mess is because you’re desperately looking for any excuse to not accept that Trump is lying. How you’ve made it this far without acknowledging he’s a lying POS is not really surprising. It’s just how cults work.

anyhoo, what your cult leaders are not telling you is that trump is lying about "Ukraine meddling". And he's literally spewing a "Ukraine not Russia" lie. that's just trump again sucking up to putin. And the only reason we got this "Ukraine not Russia" lie was he's trying to lie his way out of impeachment. I'm guessing you missed the part where every witness confirmed quid pro quo even the republican witnesses. Nunes was so exasperated he referred to his own witnesses as "your witnesses".
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Please link to the quote from Trump saying "Ukraine not Russia".

There was only one witness who claimed to have spoken to Trump directly asking what Trump wanted. He testified that he wanted the Ambassador to tell Zelensky to do the right thing.

Everyone else only repeated assumptions, presumptions, wild guessing, made up crap and outright lies and did so repeating second, third and fourth hand rumors.

Of course, you buy into the repeated assumptions, presumptions, wild guessing, made up crap and outright lies and do so repeating second, third and fourth hand rumors.

No surprise there.
 
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TomFitz said:
Nothing in your response is true.
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Please link to the evidence showing that any charge in this sham impeachment is based on an actual fact that occurred in the real world.

So far, there is one eye witness account giving an insight into the thinking of the president in this. That eye witness was Sondland.

He said that he was directed to tell Zelensky to do the the right thing.

Is telling someone to do the right thing a crime? How perverted must a person's view of the world be to determine that doing the right thing is a wrong thing?

To the Democrat-Socialists, apparently, yes, doing the right thing is a crime. This sham impeachment proves the degree to which their perversion dictates their world view.
 
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Vern said:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said he's "1,000 percent confident" Russia was responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC) as part of an effort to interfere in the 2016 election, dismissing the theory that Ukraine played a role in the breach.....


"I have no evidence [Ukraine] did. Russia stole the emails, not the Ukraine," he added.

Asked about whether Trump was muddying his defense by pushing the claim, Graham said he thinks it's "always wrong to say things that can't be proven."

Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC | TheHill

Wow, even Graham shreds the latest "defense" of trump. to be clear, its not news that the "Ukrainians did it" was a lie. We've always known that. Its news that he's actually saying it.
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That's encouraging. I like Lindsay Graham - this is the first time in weeks I've said "like" as opposed to "used to like." I'm happy he seems to be regaining his good sense and nature. He also stated that Congress won't be sending each other subpoenas when impeachment reaches the Senate. Good for him.
 
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code1211 said:
Please link to the evidence showing that any charge in this sham impeachment is based on an actual fact that occurred in the real world.

So far, there is one eye witness account giving an insight into the thinking of the president in this. That eye witness was Sondland.

He said that he was directed to tell Zelensky to do the the right thing.

Is telling someone to do the right thing a crime? How perverted must a person's view of the world be to determine that doing the right thing is a wrong thing?

To the Democrat-Socialists, apparently, yes, doing the right thing is a crime. This sham impeachment proves the degree to which their perversion dictates their world view.
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You sweet boy. This is how the real world works: Just because the lookout spots the feds before money changes hands, doesn't mean there wasn't a drug deal going on.
 
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Oborosen said:
We know that both the Ukraine and Russia meddled in the election, and I can't even recall someone saying that we were actually hacked by the Ukraine.

So what is this supposed to prove?
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Trump thinks the DNC server racks are at the crowdstrike home office in the Ukraine, which according to trump is owned by one of their rich guys.

According to the "perfect" call.
 
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Moot said:
So is Graham still calling for an investigation into the Biden's? It appears so....

Push to investigate Bidens sets up potential for Senate turf war | TheHill
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"It’s spawned two competing probes in the upper chamber: Sens. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) are weeks into their own wide-ranging investigation that includes the Bidens and Ukraine while Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is suggesting he’ll run a separate review out of the Judiciary Committee."

A minor quibble perhaps, but I don't see "suggesting" being the same as "still calling for." Considering Graham's more recent statements, I don't think he'll go through with an investigation.
 
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Cardinal said:
Graham remembers what it was like to have integrity, and I think that memory bothers him. He must loathe himself.
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Well, that he's waking up to reality says he doesn't loath himself. He knows who his real friends are. One is running for office.
 
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Damn, the Emperor's New Clothes are stunning, aren't they!!!!
 
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What if...? said:
Trump thinks the DNC server racks are at the crowdstrike home office in the Ukraine, which according to trump is owned by one of their rich guys.

According to the "perfect" call.
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He also once said he'd close the internet. How can someone who lives on the internet not know how it works? Likewise, how can the POTUS not understand the concept of digital storage? And what kind of loon believes corrupt people would hide condemning evidence rather than destroy it? Who would believe "the evidence will be out soon" coming from people who preempt evidence and reports with their own spin? C'mon folks. You're not fooling the Nevertrumpers, or as they're commonly known, the majority of Americans.
 
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Oborosen said:
Nice deflection, but I don't see you showing me that the Ukraine didn't actually do anything.
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Ukraine never does anything. Lazy country.
 
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Oborosen said:
If you want to believe, then I can't stop you.
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The guy on the corner babbling to himself while pointing to the sky, is inflicted with belief. The one observing him saying, "There's nothing there," is not. Projection has reached a point that it breaks down logically.

Maybe I'm being a bit obtuse. Here:

Is your comment an extreme case of pot meet kettle? Yes, I believe it is.
 
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ecofarm said:
"Ukraine meddled" is impossibly stupid.
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Remember, this is all about "corruption".

But not manafort's corruption. He got snitched on.

And snitching is now the real crime, as far as conservatives are concerned.
 
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Vern said:

......., dismissing the theory that Ukraine played a role in the breach.....
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Can anyone cite to any source proposing this theory? I think its just a strawman theyve imagined.
 
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code1211 said:
Did Turley express a "presumption of guilt" attitude as regards our legal tradition?

Did Turley set up an imagined need by Trump to establish some kind of a half-assed royalty?

Idiocy invites derision.

I watched some of the "testimony" and was left astonished by the stance taken by the three propagandists presenting the case for the Democrat-Socialists.

That witch criticizing the choice of a name for Trump's youngest child was breath taking in its bias and hate.

I suppose it's nice that a skunk stinks so you can be warned it's nearby.
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I think her take is less insulting than naming him after his fake pitch man persona.
 
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dixon01767 said:
Can anyone cite to any source proposing this theory? I think its just a strawman theyve imagined.
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The "perfect call".

Where trump asks zelenskyy to look into crowdstrike.

Trump thinks the physical server racks are hidden at the crowdstrike home office in Ukraine, and that it is owned by one of their rich guys.

In other words, he's too ****ing stupid to keep his conspiracies straight.

And that is in the call summary that they call a transcript because that word doesn't mean what they think that it means.
 
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What if...? said:
The "perfect call".

Where trump asks zelenskyy to look into crowdstrike.

Trump thinks the physical server racks are hidden at the crowdstrike home office in Ukraine, and that it is owned by one of their rich guys.

In other words, he's too ****ing stupid to keep his conspiracies straight.

And that is in the call summary that they call a transcript because that word doesn't mean what they think that it means.
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Soooooooo wheres the part where ANYBODY alleges that Ukraine did the hacking, not Russia. Crowdstrike worked for the DNC, they would have no need to hack anything, they had access
 
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Michael Cole said:
"It’s spawned two competing probes in the upper chamber: Sens. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) are weeks into their own wide-ranging investigation that includes the Bidens and Ukraine while Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is suggesting he’ll run a separate review out of the Judiciary Committee."

A minor quibble perhaps, but I don't see "suggesting" being the same as "still calling for." Considering Graham's more recent statements, I don't think he'll go through with an investigation.
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Quibble, quibble...Graham wasn't suggesting when he called for an investigation. But with two other senate probes already in the works, it would be redundant if he started another one.


 
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dixon01767 said:
Can anyone cite to any source proposing this theory? I think its just a strawman theyve imagined.
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First off Dixon, its good that you think this is so ridiculous that somebody must be lying. yes, that's how ridiculous it is but sadly its true. I've already posted this in the thread

Vern said:
Anyhoo, you flailed at Hill's testimony (one of many things you flailed at to deflect from the facts) but the fact is she was dead on ball's accurate when she said republicans are pushing the lying narrative that it was "Ukraine not Russia".

Based on questions and statements I have heard, some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country—and that perhaps, somehow, for some reason, Ukraine did. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves.

Trump is literally pushing the lying (and Russia approved) narrative that it was "Ukraine not Russia"

Wallace reminded Kennedy that the president and many of his supporters have maintained that it was the government of Ukraine, not Russia, that interfered in U.S. politics by hacking the Democratic National Committee and computers of Hillary Clinton campaign staffers during the 2016 presidential election.

Fox News' Chris Wallace Confronts GOP Senator for Believing Ukraine May Have Interfered in the 2016 U.S. Election
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If you're still angry about this you should google "nunes pushes ukraine conspiracy lies". You'll quickly learn that he's using his question time to spew conspiracy theories about Ukraine. Nunes being a trump/Russian stooge should come as no surprise. You should be alarmed when people like Pompeo also help undermine democracy.

Pompeo was asked during a news conference on Tuesday whether he believes that the United States should investigate that debunked conspiracy theory.
Rather than say Ukraine didn't hack the DNC emails — as career diplomats and intelligence experts have done — Pompeo instead suggested an investigation of the matter is warranted." Any time there is information that indicates that any country has messed with American elections, we not only have a right, but a duty to chase that down," Pompeo said.

Of course, the United States intelligence community — including the CIA that Pompeo ran before Trump nominated him to be secretary of state — unanimously determined that Russia was behind the DNC hack, not Ukraine.
Pompeo pushes Ukraine lie that experts call Russian propaganda
 
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