[W:532]Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Oborosen said:

That's sounds just like something that one of Epstein's loyal followers would say.. oh hey JasperL "speak of the devil" and all that BS.

Listen, we know full well that both Russia and Ukraine meddled in the election. Just let it go, even Ted Cruz had to explain it to the lot of you. Just give it up, because we have news outlets ranging from Politico all the way to the WaPo, and even such actions were ruled as meddling in a Ukrainian court.

Just give it up. It's recorded and made all into public knowledge at this point.

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Cruz's 'explanation' didn't go over very well during his interview on "Meet the Press". Damned librul media types made fun of that good Texas senator.

TV crew laugh at Ted Cruz in live interview after he endorses Trump's baseless conspiracy theory

Ted Cruz was laughed at by a TV crew during a live interview after he endorsed Donald Trump’s baseless conspiracy theory about Ukraine.

The Texas senator, who challenged Mr Trump to be the Republican nominee in 2016, was mocked for saying he believed there was “considerable evidence” that Ukraine meddled in the most recent presidential election.

The US intelligence community has concluded that Russia, not Ukraine, interfered in the 2016 election and senior officials have said it is a “fictional narrative” to suggest Ukraine was involved.

NBC host Chuck Todd questioned Mr Cruz on why he would trust Mr Trump’s claims about Ukraine after he was involved in a bitter feud with the president during the 2016 campaign.

“You went through a primary campaign with this president. He launched a ‘birtherism’ campaign against you, he went after your faith, he threatened to ‘spill the beans’ about your wife about something…” Mr Todd said.

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One must wonder just why Ted Cruz now supports a man who so viciously attacked him during the 2016 campaign period.

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Somerville said:

Cruz's 'explanation' didn't go over very well during his interview on "Meet the Press". Damned librul media types made fun of that good Texas senator.


One must wonder just why Ted Cruz now supports a man who so viciously attacked him during the 2016 campaign period.

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Don't know, and I honestly don't care. We have evidence that they meddled, he explained it just fine, and now after just a few short years of covering this same story themselves. Now the media is trying to sweep it under the rug, and act like such a thing never happened.

This is a sad display no matter how someone tries to cut it.

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Oborosen said:

That's sounds just like something that one of Epstein's loyal followers would say.. oh hey JasperL "speak of the devil" and all that BS.

Listen, we know full well that both Russia and Ukraine meddled in the election. Just let it go, even Ted Cruz had to explain it to the lot of you. Just give it up, because we have news outlets ranging from Politico all the way to the WaPo, and even such actions were ruled as meddling in a Ukrainian court.

Just give it up. It's recorded and made all into public knowledge at this point.

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They "meddled" by writing articles in their own names? Publishing investigative journalism under their own names? Hell, YOU are meddling in the election as we speak, you election meddler!

What else did they DO? Ukraine definitely wrote an op-ed critical of Trump, as Trump ass-kisser Cruz pointed out, and for good reason - Trump publicly suggested that Crimea, part of Ukraine, should be part of Russia! Wow! So the Ukrainian ambassador took major issue with a candidate who's actively suggesting that the Russian invasion of his country should be rewarded by the U.S. recognizing the illegal land grab!

My goodness, if a Ukrainian diplomat cannot publicly take issue with a U.S. presidential candidate attempting to sell his country down the river to Putin, then he's failed his country and isn't doing his job. THAT is what that sorry sycophant Cruz is suggesting is "meddling" in an "election." It's insulting to anyone not an idiot and who has a clue what that editorial was about, who knows to what Trump comments the Ukrainian ambassador was responding. Cruz is relying on his base being ignorant fools. I'd be insulted if it was me he was talking to.

Just as an aside, it's amazing how willing the GOP are to publicly shame themselves in defense of Trump. Trump made up all kinds of crap about Cruz during the campaign - a pack of lies, about his family. And Cruz is now on his knees publicly french kissing Trump right on the ass. It's shocking to see that kind of shameless sycophancy from a guy like Cruz. I've always thought he was a slimeball, but I did think he had some self respect, and clearly he doesn't. SAD!

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Oborosen said:

Don't know, and I honestly don't care. We have evidence that they meddled, he explained it just fine, and now after just a few short years of covering this same story themselves. Now the media is trying to sweep it under the rug, and act like such a thing never happened.

This is a sad display no matter how someone tries to cut it.

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If publishing op-eds is election meddling, then there are roughly MILLIONS of people who meddle in elections every year. Every newspaper, every radio host, every TV pundit, every TV anchor, everyone who publishes an opinion on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram. All of them are "meddling" in an "election" when they offer their opinions on the election.

What the GOP is doing is obliterating the meaning of the word, and people like you are buying this garbage. If everyone is an election "meddler" then saying it no longer has any meaning, and deploying an army of bots and trolls directed by Putin to spread fake news and much more is meddling, and writing an editorial and publishing it under you own name is meddling, then we can no longer CARE what Russia did, because you're equating it with legal and appropriate expressions of opinion. It is to invite disinformation campaigns from Russian, NK, China and whoever else wants to screw with our democracy. It's shameful, and it's dangerous.

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ecofarm said:

"Ukraine meddled" is impossibly stupid.

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Indeed. Two Ukrainian individuals wrote opinion articles supporting Clinton over Trump; that hardly compares with the entire Russian government, a dedicated Russian troll farm, and twelve now-indicted Russian oligarchs. :lol:

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JasperL said:

No, Trump and others advance a CT that Crowdstrike manipulated the results to frame Russia, and they did it because the owner is Ukrainian (he's not) and anti-Russia (where one owner was born but who is an American citizen), which is presumably why the Ukrainians have "the server" (and anyone who says "the server" is peddling obvious BS, because there is no "the server" but at least dozens of them, reportedly 141 of them, with data in the cloud) and have hid this "the [non-existent] server" in Ukraine.

Crowdstrike feeds right into a series of BS CTs involving the hacking and Ukraine and Ukrainian "meddling" in the election. Trump might as well stand on stage with a big letter Q.

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Feel free to copy and paste Trumps words here because so far all we have is people making the accusations as to what others have done. There is a reason you cant find anyone making any such claim. Its a strawman.

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JasperL said:

I addressed that and you clipped it. Here's the full comment again. If you want to address it, fine.

"That court decision was vacated. It was always nonsense that releasing the black ledger by a journalist in his own name is "meddling" in an election.

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It is the government releasing to the journalist the black ledger they had sat on for three years that is the meddling.

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Vern said:

Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) on Monday walked back comments in which he said Ukraine could have been responsible for the 2016 hack of the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

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You made that up also. He said he didn't know who hacked the server.

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dixon01767 said:

You made that up also. He said he didn't know who hacked the server.

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You should read Kennedy's own words

Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) on Sunday explained why he walked back comments indicating Ukraine may have been responsible for the 2016 hack of the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

"I walked it back because I was wrong," Kennedy said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Kennedy had made the comments last Sunday on "Fox News Sunday" and on Monday walked them back on CNN.

Kennedy told NBC's Chuck Todd that he realized he was wrong when he reviewed a transcript of the interview.

"Chris Wallace was interviewing me, and he asked me a question, I answered it. I thought he had asked me if Ukraine had meddled in the 2016 election, he didn't he asked me if Ukraine was responsible for hacking the DNC computer, which is of course a form of meddling," Kennedy said.

"I went back and looked at the transcript and realized Chris was right and I was wrong so I said, 'I was wrong,'" Kennedy said.

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DiAnna said:

Indeed. Two Ukrainian individuals wrote opinion articles supporting Clinton over Trump; that hardly compares with the entire Russian government, a dedicated Russian troll farm, and twelve now-indicted Russian oligarchs. :lol:

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12 oligarchs and 13 Russian intelligence agents.

Listening to livestream (cbsn) on youtube now.

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Oborosen said:

That's sounds just like something that one of Epstein's loyal followers would say..

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What is up with you calling everyone pedos?

Could you be any more disgusting?

Biggest scumbaggery here by far. Your posts are like Gollum.

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dixon01767 said:

You made that up also. He said he didn't know who hacked the server.

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The server was not hacked. All the available evidence shows the DNC material was leaked.

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Thoreau72 said:

The server was not hacked. All the available evidence shows the DNC material was leaked.

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That's 100% counter to reality, comrade.

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ecofarm said:

That's 100% counter to reality, comrade.

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Not really.

There is a reason Seth Rich was shot.

There is a reason Herr Mueller never tried to examine the servers. Likely he knew already that the servers were not hacked. Being the company man that he is, he likely knew why Rich was dead.

A career computer guy with NSA and his cohorts pointed out years ago that the transfer speeds of the relevant material were too fast to have been done by hack. The transfer speeds of the relevant material show the material was transferred to a stick of some sort, from the inside.

I know it's a scary thought for those true believers in the official narrative, and tantamount to heresy within the Church of the Poisoned Mind, but those are the frightful facts.

You've been fooled again.

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Thoreau72 said:

Not really.

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Yes, really. You're Truthing this just like you do 9/11.

Really.

And you can't see it. That's concerning but I can't help you.

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ecofarm said:

Yes, really. You're Truthing this just like you do 9/11.

Really.

And you can't see it. That's concerning but I can't help you.

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In the end sir, we are all CT. All that separates us is whether we embrace official CT, or unofficial CT. Simple minds like things spelled out for them. More complex thinkers prefer to think for themselves.

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Thoreau72 said:

In the end sir, we are all CT.

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Did your mommy tell you that?

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ecofarm said:

Did your mommy tell you that?

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No, and neither did Lindsey Bloody Graham. :lol:

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Thoreau72 said:

No, and neither did Lindsey Bloody Graham. :lol:

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It was probably holograms that hacked the DNC with mini nukes.

You understand if I cast your moronic CT aside, right?

Alex Jones and Trumpian Avenue is one hell of an intersection.

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dixon01767 said:

It is the government releasing to the journalist the black ledger they had sat on for three years that is the meddling.

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If that's meddling, then journalism is meddling, Rudy is "meddling" and the GOP House doing Benghazi was "meddling" and the whole email thing was "meddling" and you are "meddling" and I'm "meddling" and we're all meddling whenever we express an opinion.

And if Manafort being revealed as a corrupt asshole and advisor to a corrupt, bloody Putin stooge is the "meddling" that's fine with me. **** that guy.

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dixon01767 said:

Feel free to copy and paste Trumps words here because so far all we have is people making the accusations as to what others have done. There is a reason you cant find anyone making any such claim. Its a strawman.

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Read the phone call with Zelenskyy.

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dixon01767 said:

You made that up also. He said he didn't know who hacked the server.

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Which is feeding the CT. He knows because he's had classified briefings on it that it was RUSSIA and not Ukraine, and that casting doubt on that finding is a Putin talking point.

You should be angry that they're making these dishonest arguments, not at those pointing it out or pretending they're doing something else.

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Oborosen said:

That's sounds just like something that one of Epstein's loyal followers would say.. oh hey JasperL "speak of the devil" and all that BS.

Listen, we know full well that both Russia and Ukraine meddled in the election. Just let it go, even Ted Cruz had to explain it to the lot of you. Just give it up, because we have news outlets ranging from Politico all the way to the WaPo, and even such actions were ruled as meddling in a Ukrainian court.

Just give it up. It's recorded and made all into public knowledge at this point.

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BTW, if you want to accuse me of being an "Epstein loyal follower" have the common courtesy and integrity to back that bull**** up. Otherwise, you're disgusting and just behaving like a lying asshole who can't make a legitimate point and so goes instead to dishonest personal attacks. It's shameful.

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Thoreau72 said:

The server was not hacked. All the available evidence shows the DNC material was leaked.

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when you first posted that I thought you were joking. Now I see that was simply not the case. Thor, read this very very slowly, you "supposing" and "remembring" aint facts let alone evidence.

Thoreau72 said:

Not really.

There is a reason Seth Rich was shot.

There is a reason Herr Mueller never tried to examine the servers. Likely he knew already that the servers were not hacked. Being the company man that he is, he likely knew why Rich was dead.

A career computer guy with NSA and his cohorts pointed out years ago that the transfer speeds of the relevant material were too fast to have been done by hack. The transfer speeds of the relevant material show the material was transferred to a stick of some sort, from the inside.

I know it's a scary thought for those true believers in the official narrative, and tantamount to heresy within the Church of the Poisoned Mind, but those are the frightful facts.

You've been fooled again.

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ecofarm said:

12 oligarchs and 13 Russian intelligence agents.

Listening to livestream (cbsn) on youtube now.

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Indeed! I stand corrected.