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[W:179]Trump, Who Slashed Taxes by $1.5 Trillion, Is Pushing Cuts to Food Stamps

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Aberration said:
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Affirmative action. White privilege. Racism is in white peoples DNA. So much low hanging fruit.

The left really has not one ****ing clue how Trump won. You can spell it out, they’ll still go stuff their head up their ass.
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Yeah, people have a clue alright.
 
MTAtech said:
I asked you what you would cut that would significantly lower the deficit. You didn't answer.
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I would start by telling Americans that big spending democrat candidates don't know what the hell they are talking about. America does not have hundreds of trillions of dollars to blow on climate alarmism, universal care for all cradle to grave, reparations to every dark body in the country regardless of history, unlimited illegal immigration and so many, many other dummass spending boondoggles.
 
marke said:
I would start by telling Americans that big spending democrat candidates don't know what the hell they are talking about. America does not have hundreds of trillions of dollars to blow on climate alarmism, universal care for all cradle to grave, reparations to every dark body in the country regardless of history, unlimited illegal immigration and so many, many other dummass spending boondoggles.
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In other words, you want to dodge the my question, which was "what do YOU propose cutting that would make any significant difference?" Instead, you retreat to your safe-space -- liberals bad, conservatives good.

The things that you mention are future spending, not current spending. In any case, climate change is the most significant threat facing man. But, of course, you are an ultra-conservative and deny inconvenient science -- got it. Universal health care is what the rest of the developed world already has and we spend more now with our system than universal health care would cost.

But I will repeat what I have many times: the federal government, in terms of spending, is an insurance company with an army. That's where the vast amount of federal spending resides, in five areas: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense and interest on the debt. So, if you are talking about reducing federal spending to lower debt, you are either talking about cutting the big five or you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
MTAtech said:
In other words, you want to dodge the my question, which was "what do YOU propose cutting that would make any significant difference?" Instead, you retreat to your safe-space -- liberals bad, conservatives good.
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I would either eliminate or modify the government grant system to save tens of billions of dollars each year in eliminated fraud and waste. I would modify the Medicare program to provide more accountability and responsible oversight for the purpose of eliminating fraud, abuse and waste, saving billions.

Find a government area with dozens of redundant government departments doing the same thing and eliminate them all, saving billions.

And so forth.
 
marke said:
I would start by telling Americans that big spending democrat candidates don't know what the hell they are talking about. America does not have hundreds of trillions of dollars to blow on climate alarmism, universal care for all cradle to grave, reparations to every dark body in the country regardless of history, unlimited illegal immigration and so many, many other dummass spending boondoggles.
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Why not we have massive debt to support capitalism and never ending wars...
 
marke said:
I would either eliminate or modify the government grant system to save tens of billions of dollars each year in eliminated fraud and waste. I would modify the Medicare program to provide more accountability and responsible oversight for the purpose of eliminating fraud, abuse and waste, saving billions.

Find a government area with dozens of redundant government departments doing the same thing and eliminate them all, saving billions.

And so forth.
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Solving simple poverty via unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States will have a positive multiplier effect upon our economy and stimulate growth in emerging and advancing technologies; which would have the effect of more precision in those sectors.
 
marke said:
I would either eliminate or modify the government grant system to save tens of billions of dollars each year in eliminated fraud and waste. I would modify the Medicare program to provide more accountability and responsible oversight for the purpose of eliminating fraud, abuse and waste, saving billions.

Find a government area with dozens of redundant government departments doing the same thing and eliminate them all, saving billions.

And so forth.
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Ah, the old cut out the fraud and abuse trope. That's a rounding error on a rounding error -- if you can even identify any.
 
danielpalos said:
Solving simple poverty via unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States will have a positive multiplier effect upon our economy and stimulate growth in emerging and advancing technologies; which would have the effect of more precision in those sectors.
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The old Pelosi idea that increasing unemployment compensation, disability payments and food stamp distribution will not work. Obama tried it and failed.
 
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HIP56948 said:
The amazing thing is ..The US government gives (at least) 20 Billion dollars to the fossil fuel industry each year. Hell yeah..let's give billions to the industries that make untold billions in profit per year but at the same time, let's cut food stamps by 4.7 billion dollars to the poor. This hurtful illogical action staggers the #$%# mind. :( One other post says something like "More money back to the people"...Yeah..keep believing that Bulls*it...
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They dont GIVE billions to the fossil fuel industry. Just the opposite they TAKE billions. Exxon, for example, paid 15 billion in taxes.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Isnt it the point to have people become employed and PAY taxes and reduce the number of people who NEED food stamps. We have a surplus of jobs. Really shouldn't have very many people on food stamps. If your on food stamps, why?
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I would be satisfied with then just becoming self sufficient so they dont need welfare. Paying their share of taxes would be a bonus.
 
jonny5 said:
Options for Reducing the Deficit: 2019 to 2028 | Congressional Budget Office

Everything on this list that is actual Outlays. For example

Option 12 Establish Caps on Federal Spending for Medicaid - saves 700bn
Option 29 Reduce Funding for the Housing Choice Voucher Program or Eliminate the Program - 125bn
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In other words, cut programs for the poor because the rich have powerful lobbies that protect their tax-cuts.

I have another idea. Go back to the tax-rates that we had under Reagan -- 50% top ordinary rate with a 60% short-term capital gains and a 40% long-term capital gains rate.
 
MTAtech said:
Ah, the old cut out the fraud and abuse trope. That's a rounding error on a rounding error -- if you can even identify any.
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The fed government spends $100 million just to Herman Miller Inc every year for tables and chairs and pulls that money from mandatory spending under our social security payments
 
jdog21 said:
The fed government spends $100 million just to Herman Miller Inc every year for tables and chairs and pulls that money from mandatory spending under our social security payments
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I'm not sure what you are saying. Is it considered wrong to buy furniture from Herman Miller, a leading vendor of office furniture or are you saying $100 million (if true) is too much?

Oh, it has nothing to do with Social Security, whose spending would not diminish if the furniture wasn't bought.
 
marke said:
White House: Unemployment Stimulates the Economy
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a link to another storyteller?

For every dollar a person receives in food stamps, Pelosi said that $1.79 is put back into the economy. The U.S. Department of Agriculture cites an even higher figure of $1.84.
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Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed does better according to a more recent study: a positive multiplier of 2.

Multiplier effects in real GDP were estimated to average 2.0 for regular UI benefits and also 2.0 for extended benefits.
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https://wdr.doleta.gov/research/FullText_Documents/ETAOP2010-10.pdf
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Really? And what so you think my point was?
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The government providing the poor more access to nutritious food is not the same as the government choosing what people eat..which was your claim.

I noticed the poster you were talking to never responded back. Now I know why.
 
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That's what is suppose to happen. Cut taxes, slash spending.
 
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Moot said:
The government providing the poor more access to nutritious food is not the same as the government choosing what people eat..which was your claim.

I noticed the poster you were talking to never responded back. Now I know why.
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FFS what part of "I agree with your point" but that had nothing to do with my point did you not understand?

This was my comment in response to you:

My comment was in response to the poster that I was speaking too (not all expansive).

I agree with your point. But my point was that the government should not dictate what the poor eat.
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To make it simple for you: I never disagreed with you but had my own separate point that did not contradict with yours only perhaps added to it. Why you see a need to attack me over it is beyond me. Perhaps you should take a break or something?
 
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kathc22 said:
Food stamps can be used for any food including soda, snacks, chips, candy, etc. I think in general those at the lower level are obese since it is cheaper to buy pre-packaged food as opposed to more nutritious food.
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That and there aren't many grocery stores wsith healthy options in poor areas, so getting junk food at convenience stores, they don't have options
 
MTAtech said:
In other words, cut programs for the poor because the rich have powerful lobbies that protect their tax-cuts.

I have another idea. Go back to the tax-rates that we had under Reagan -- 50% top ordinary rate with a 60% short-term capital gains and a 40% long-term capital gains rate.
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You asked about spending, not taxes.
 
MTAtech said:
I'm not sure what you are saying. Is it considered wrong to buy furniture from Herman Miller, a leading vendor of office furniture or are you saying $100 million (if true) is too much?

Oh, it has nothing to do with Social Security, whose spending would not diminish if the furniture wasn't bought.
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1. Yes seems to much
2. It comes out of the Social Security fund and it shouldn't.
This is just 1 of hundreds of examples
 
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Sampson Simpson said:
That and there aren't many grocery stores wsith healthy options in poor areas, so getting junk food at convenience stores, they don't have options
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That is why they should not give them SNAP. They should deliver them boxes with healthy food in it. They should hire Michele Obama to draw up healthy meal plans. They should have warehouses in blighted areas where this health food is stored and distributed. They should hire people in these areas to box up the food necessary for these healthy meals, arrange for delivering this food, then deliver it. It would create jobs in blighted areas, it would ensure people get healthy food, in the long run it would reduce healthcare costs.
 
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