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Trump Has Spent $115 Million on Golf Trips - Or 287 Years of Presidential Salary

Since y'all believe that President's pay their own vacations, we can close the thread.

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Let's discuss American's name-calling of the First Lady. How classy? How insightful?

Please stay on topic and ignore his grammar.
 
Sure they do, sure. Like Moochelle and kids going to Paris, and other long overseas trips. I'm sure that came right out of Barack's wallet. He had no problem affording many flight hours on Air Force One. :roll:

You really have no clue do you? Lol
 
What expenses did Obama pay himself? Please list each one in detail. Maybe you should post a spreadsheet, I'm sure you have this handy.

I see you have no answer to my question. Try staying on topic.
 
All presidents pay their own expenses on vacation.

That's not true.

They are responsible for some of their personal expenses. However, this is an insignificant in terms of the cost - and may end up being nothing. For example, they are responsible for their personal lodging and the cost of a first class ticket. They are supposed to pay for tickets to events, admissions, personal food and incidentals. However, presidential lodging is often donated, with the owner's compensation being in the form of 'the president stayed here!'... plus reimbursement for anything used by security and staff. The government pays for modifications to the property (communications and security), use of facilities by security and staff, housing/per-diem for security and staff, transportation, the actual cost for Air-force One (and the backup) other aircraft, vehicles, etc.

But there's also an exception - official business included and the tab goes to the government. Fly to Hawaii for two weeks... spend an hour giving a speech at an elementary school (take the wife and kids!) and the flight is covered. Meet with some local officials, shake some hands at a military base, and those days become work. Since the President is never really away from work, and can have staff arrange little meetings, it's not hard for them to fill gaps in the paperwork, and have the entire cost paid by the government.

Is this right or wrong? I'm mixed on it. But it's policy, and every president has done it.
 
That's not true.

They are responsible for some of their personal expenses. However, this is an insignificant in terms of the cost - and may end up being nothing. For example, they are responsible for their personal lodging and the cost of a first class ticket. They are supposed to pay for tickets to events, admissions, personal food and incidentals. However, presidential lodging is often donated, with the owner's compensation being in the form of 'the president stayed here!'... plus reimbursement for anything used by security and staff. The government pays for modifications to the property (communications and security), use of facilities by security and staff, housing/per-diem for security and staff, transportation, the actual cost for Air-force One (and the backup) other aircraft, vehicles, etc.

But there's also an exception - official business included and the tab goes to the government. Fly to Hawaii for two weeks... spend an hour giving a speech at an elementary school (take the wife and kids!) and the flight is covered. Meet with some local officials, shake some hands at a military base, and those days become work. Since the President is never really away from work, and can have staff arrange little meetings, it's not hard for them to fill gaps in the paperwork, and have the entire cost paid by the government.

Is this right or wrong? I'm mixed on it. But it's policy, and every president has done it.

This is pretty accurate except he never pays for his own flight. If his family comes on air force one for a vacation they ate charged the price of a coach ticket
 
This is pretty accurate except he never pays for his own flight. If his family comes on air force one for a vacation they ate charged the price of a coach ticket

It would be interesting to get a real accounting - which they'll never do. When the issue came up about Michelle's girl's trip to France, they said family and friends (and non-official people, like campaign staff) paid first class. I've also heard several times that family does fall under the official umbrella if they are assisting in an official capacity - such as attending a speech at a school or dinner with officials.

In reality, presidents and their families probably don't pay more than a token amount.
 
It's good to be President.

I would think it would suck to be a gullible minion who jumps at every dog whistle. The fake news media counts on them buying every syllable they create for them.

So it’s fake news that trump complained about Obama’s golfing and that he has surpassed Obama’s trips in less than one term? You guys don’t give a **** about the hypocrisy from trump. Typical corrupt trump supporters.
 
I see you have no answer to my question. Try staying on topic.

I see you have no answer to my question.
 
I see you have no answer to my question.

Why would I answer your question which was only a deflection from an actual statement about the topic. Can you please point out how Ocean's supposed defense of Trump's golf weekends includes the question of the cost actually being paid to the president for the use of his own privately held properties?

I understand that any deflection to "but Obama" indicates you have no idea.
 
It would be interesting to get a real accounting - which they'll never do. When the issue came up about Michelle's girl's trip to France, they said family and friends (and non-official people, like campaign staff) paid first class. I've also heard several times that family does fall under the official umbrella if they are assisting in an official capacity - such as attending a speech at a school or dinner with officials.

In reality, presidents and their families probably don't pay more than a token amount.

True they actually get a bill for small things every month in the white house. It is presented to the first lady to sign. Nancy Reagan complained that it was like living in a hotel. Ron said if this is a hotel it's the finest hotel on earth
 
So it’s fake news that trump complained about Obama’s golfing and that he has surpassed Obama’s trips in less than one term? You guys don’t give a **** about the hypocrisy from trump. Typical corrupt trump supporters.

I never said anything about Obama. When you're pulling an argument out of your butt, try to make it a bit more accurate.
 
So it’s fake news that trump complained about Obama’s golfing and that he has surpassed Obama’s trips in less than one term? You guys don’t give a **** about the hypocrisy from trump. Typical corrupt trump supporters.

It is good to have people keeping track of what the POTUS spends. You must have been livid when you learned Michelle Obama had a paid staff of 23 people or that they sent their children to the Bahamas for spring break on the tax payers dime.
 
It is good to have people keeping track of what the POTUS spends. You must have been livid when you learned Michelle Obama had a paid staff of 23 people or that they sent their children to the Bahamas for spring break on the tax payers dime.

Just because Steve King is a racist moron doesn't mean you have to regurgitate his crap on here.

The First Lady took her daughters on vacation while her husband was President.

Tell me, do you have a link to prove that Eric Trump and his wife, Don Junior, and Tiffany (the one her father hates to be photographed with because he thinks she's unattractive) paid their way for the entirety of the official US state visit to England?
 
Just because Steve King is a racist moron doesn't mean you have to regurgitate his crap on here.

The First Lady took her daughters on vacation while her husband was President.

Tell me, do you have a link to prove that Eric Trump and his wife, Don Junior, and Tiffany (the one her father hates to be photographed with because he thinks she's unattractive) paid their way for the entirety of the official US state visit to England?

So you think a first lady needs a staff of 23? Melania Trump only has a staff of 4.

Do you have any evidence that they didn't pay their own way?
 
So you think a first lady needs a staff of 23? Melania Trump only has a staff of 4.

Do you have any evidence that they didn't pay their own way?

What does Michelle Obama's staff have to do with Trump using $115 million in taxpayer funds to golf when he promised his drooling supporters that he was going to be too busy to golf?

I don't need to provide evidence of something that is a negative. You complained about Michelle Obama taking her daughters on vacation. You need to show that the Trump children paid their own way since it was nothing but a vacation for Eric, his wife, Junior and Tiffany.
 
What does Michelle Obama's staff have to do with Trump using $115 million in taxpayer funds to golf when he promised his drooling supporters that he was going to be too busy to golf?

I don't need to provide evidence of something that is a negative. You complained about Michelle Obama taking her daughters on vacation. You need to show that the Trump children paid their own way since it was nothing but a vacation for Eric, his wife, Junior and Tiffany.

Not like Obama never golfed or took Hawaiian vacations, but what kind of hypocrite has no problem with that but flips out when Trump spends money. The real question is should the POTUS be wasting tax payer money. I only asked why would a first lady need a staff of 23 people? What is she, some kind of Queen who needs an entourage to beckon to her every whim?

Here is a fact for you. It should make a fiscal guy like you happy.
Trump's Lean White House 2018 Payroll On-Track To Save Taxpayers $22 Million
Trump's Lean White House 2018 Payroll On-Track To Save Taxpayers $22 Million
 
Not like Obama never golfed or took Hawaiian vacations, but what kind of hypocrite has no problem with that but flips out when Trump spends money. The real question is should the POTUS be wasting tax payer money. I only asked why would a first lady need a staff of 23 people? What is she, some kind of Queen who needs an entourage to beckon to her every whim?

Here is a fact for you. It should make a fiscal guy like you happy.
Trump's Lean White House 2018 Payroll On-Track To Save Taxpayers $22 Million
Trump's Lean White House 2018 Payroll On-Track To Save Taxpayers $22 Million

I don't know. What kind of hypocrite is Trump and what kind of hypocrites are his supporters to complain about Obama golfing and then sitting back and smiling when Trump golfs far more than Obama ever did and costs the taxpayers $115 million while doing it, after he told you that he would be too busy to golf?

Why are you asking me again about Michelle Obama's staff? I'm not Michelle Obama. You should email her and ask her.

I'm not a guy. That little pink ribbon in my user panel should be a clue.

Thanks Trump for saving me $22 million while costing me $115 million!
 
I don't know. What kind of hypocrite is Trump and what kind of hypocrites are his supporters to complain about Obama golfing and then sitting back and smiling when Trump golfs far more than Obama ever did and costs the taxpayers $115 million while doing it, after he told you that he would be too busy to golf?

Why are you asking me again about Michelle Obama's staff? I'm not Michelle Obama. You should email her and ask her.

I'm not a guy. That little pink ribbon in my user panel should be a clue.

Thanks Trump for saving me $22 million while costing me $115 million!

Let's rewind a bit. Most (if not all) Presidents golf. G.W. Bush liked to golf. He was criticized by hypocrites for golfing 'while our soldiers were at war'. (He took this very personally, and essentially stopped golfing). One of those hypocrites, Obama, became president, and was criticized by hypocrites for golfing. One of those hypocrites, Trump, became president, and was criticized by hypocrites for golfing. Since Bush took the criticisms to heart, golfing seems to be the punching bag. But newsflash! All politicians and their strong supporters are hypocrites to some extent!

Golfing really isn't the issue here - and it's a silly case to make. Presidents have different leisure activities - and we pay dearly for them. That's a part of being president. Trump has played more rounds of Golf. But Obama had a variety of other things he liked to do, and made more far-flung vacations.

But no doubt, both have cost us a lot of money. To focus on counting rounds of golf, and try to use that as a yardstick is silly.
 
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