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Democrat Andy Beshear just unseated Kentucky's Trump-loving governor Matt Bevin

Re: Democrat Andy Beshear just unseated Kentucky’s Trump-loving governor Matt Bevin

Threegoofs said:
The high taxes are in the suburbs.
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Which is why people are fleeing the city altogether....or the state.
 
OscarLevant said:
Trump won Ky by 30 points in 2016, this is a very red state. This is a bad omen for repubs in 2020

NBC just called it for Beshear
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It is a big win for the Democrats. Now Kentucky will have a father and son, Steve and Andey Beshear as governors. His father was governor of Kentucky prior to Bevin. I do think this has to be put into perspective though. Bevin was the worst liked governor in these here United States.

Matt Bevin, Most Unpopular Governor in the Country, Stakes His Re-Election on Trump

It also needs to be pointed out that the Republicans won every other statewide race. Whereas Trump had a 53% approval rating in Kentucky, Bevin had a 33% I'm not surprised, after all Kentucky elected his father governor. Personally, I think the folks of Kentucky regardless of political stripes were just plain fed up with Bevin. He needed to go and gone he is. As you pointed out, Trump won the state by 30 points, that shows you how unpopular Bevin was. In fact Bevin won the Republican vote 81-16 while Beshear won Democrats 94-6 and independents 59-31. Independents put Beshear into the Governor's chair.

It's also interesting to note that McConnell is viewed favorably by 46% of Kentuckians vs 54% unfavorably. With the right candidate I think McConnell can be had. Although a word of caution, Beven had only a 33% favorable, McConnell's is 13 points higher.

ANALYSIS: Exit Poll Provides A Closer Look at Bevin’s Loss
 
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Jesse Booth said:
I don't think you're gonna be able to convince me of that, but please cite whatever fringe case of corrupt union officials you want to. It won't change the simple fact that America has less union organizing than it ever has since the New Deal era, and that wages are stagnating right along with unions.
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global markets makes that inevitable. If there are similarly skilled workers some place in the world, who are willing to do a job for one half as much as Americans are willing to do the job for, companies that use the cheaper labor have a huge competitive advantage over those who use union American labor. If people want to have much higher wages than foreign labor, they have to have more skills-and those are usually intellectual/learning since many jobs don't require much education or high tech skills
 
Perotista said:
It is a big win for the Democrats. Now Kentucky will have a father and son, Steve and Andey Beshear as governors. His father was governor of Kentucky prior to Bevin. I do think this has to be put into perspective though. Bevin was the worst liked governor in these here United States.

Matt Bevin, Most Unpopular Governor in the Country, Stakes His Re-Election on Trump

It also needs to be pointed out that the Republicans won every other statewide race. Whereas Trump had a 53% approval rating in Kentucky, Bevin had a 33% I'm not surprised, after all Kentucky elected his father governor. Personally, I think the folks of Kentucky regardless of political stripes were just plain fed up with Bevin. He needed to go and gone he is. As you pointed out, Trump won the state by 30 points, that shows you how unpopular Bevin was. In fact Bevin won the Republican vote 81-16 while Beshear won Democrats 94-6 and independents 59-31. Independents put Beshear into the Governor's chair.

It's also interesting to note that McConnell is viewed favorably by 46% of Kentuckians vs 54% unfavorably. With the right candidate I think McConnell can be had. Although a word of caution, Beven had only a 33% favorable, McConnell's is 13 points higher.

ANALYSIS: Exit Poll Provides A Closer Look at Bevin’s Loss
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Living near Northern Ky-an area where many of the people commute across the river to work in Cincinnati, a huge issue involved the deteriorating bridges to Cincinnati and various plans to remedy that issue-including tolls. I didn't pay much attention to the ads in most of the state but the one's targeting NKy were played constantly on Cincinnati channels. And Bevin's handling of that problem was poor. Two different election experts interviewed by two different cincinnati News Channels both said that Bevin lost NKy over this issue. And that area is represented by Congressman Massie who is pretty hard core right
 
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TurtleDude said:
global markets makes that inevitable. If there are similarly skilled workers some place in the world, who are willing to do a job for one half as much as Americans are willing to do the job for, companies that use the cheaper labor have a huge competitive advantage over those who use union American labor. If people want to have much higher wages than foreign labor, they have to have more skills-and those are usually intellectual/learning since many jobs don't require much education or high tech skills
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This is true. I personally support the transition of economic enterprise from stock ownership to workers' collectives, specifically to counter the tendency for big business owners to outsource jobs, but unionizing is a necessary first step in organizing the working class to deal with reckless corporate greed.

I would presume that you aren't fond of that proposition, given the requirement to confiscate property for that to be accomplished on any appreciative scale.
 
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Jesse Booth said:
This is true. I personally support the transition of economic enterprise from stock ownership to workers' collectives, specifically to counter the tendency for big business owners to outsource jobs, but unionizing is a necessary first step in organizing the working class to deal with reckless corporate greed.

I would presume that you aren't fond of that proposition, given the requirement to confiscate property for that to be accomplished on any appreciative scale.
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true and it is unconstitutional in my view.
 
TurtleDude said:
Living near Northern Ky-an area where many of the people commute across the river to work in Cincinnati, a huge issue involved the deteriorating bridges to Cincinnati and various plans to remedy that issue-including tolls. I didn't pay much attention to the ads in most of the state but the one's targeting NKy were played constantly on Cincinnati channels. And Bevin's handling of that problem was poor. Two different election experts interviewed by two different cincinnati News Channels both said that Bevin lost NKy over this issue. And that area is represented by Congressman Massie who is pretty hard core right
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I use to live in Winchester and worked at LBAD, the Lexington Blue Grass Army Depot. But that was almost 40 years ago. I imagine a lot has changed. Kentucky was a heavily Democratic state back then. Local issues always seem to play the most important part in state elections, especially off year elections. I imagine being on the same ballot as Trump next year, McConnell despite his low approval rating will win. Especially against a Northeastern Liberal candidate like Warren or Sanders.

Biden leads Sanders by 11 and Warren by 13 in the latest Kentucky Democratic primary poll.

Poll: Bloomberg Is Top Choice for 4% of Democratic Primary Voters

Trump also has a 12 point lead over Biden in a head to head. Biden is the closest.
 
Perotista said:
I use to live in Winchester and worked at LBAD, the Lexington Blue Grass Army Depot. But that was almost 40 years ago. I imagine a lot has changed. Kentucky was a heavily Democratic state back then. Local issues always seem to play the most important part in state elections, especially off year elections. I imagine being on the same ballot as Trump next year, McConnell despite his low approval rating will win. Especially against a Northeastern Liberal candidate like Warren or Sanders.

Biden leads Sanders by 11 and Warren by 13 in the latest Kentucky Democratic primary poll.

Poll: Bloomberg Is Top Choice for 4% of Democratic Primary Voters

Trump also has a 12 point lead over Biden in a head to head. Biden is the closest.
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It is funny but I have met lots of Kentucky types-big bucks "Penndenis club" types in Louisville who act like people from South Carolina or Virginia when it comes to =-as they call it "the war between the states". These guys have all the attributes of rich GOP types in Cincinnati save lots of them were Democrats even though not much about that party do they agree with. I remember shooting a skeet event near Louisville and there were More Clinton Stickers on the expensive cars than I saw outside Detroit when I shot a major event there about the same time.
 
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TurtleDude said:
true and it is unconstitutional in my view.
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It is quite unconstitutional, and I hope I never see it happen, but I personally predict that society is going to collapse under the weight of economic stagnation within my lifetime, and all the national bureaucracy in the world won't be able to help us then. When stuff like that happens, you tend to see a lot of people being drawn towards extreme movements on either the left or the right, and I don't know many young people who aren't already rapidly approaching either fascism or socialism these days. I'd much rather take a rights-conscious, left-libertarian coalition over most of the alternatives if another 2008 or 1929 rolls around, and that requires social and political infrastructure that we just don't have in this country. So I advocate for labor unions as best I can, and try to steer liberals away from anti-gun positions.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Property taxes in the city of Chicago are actually pretty reasonable.

The high taxes are in the suburbs.

You know- the places with good schools.
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Property taxes in the city of Chicago are actually pretty reasonable.
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Really?

Go and throw out some numbers for I can compare to where I live(wink)

Oh my.....

Chicago property tax rates catching up with suburbs
 
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Jesse Booth said:
Collective bargaining for improved conditions is absolutely necessary for workers, and the absence of improving conditions is absolutely the issue. Public sectors are among the only areas of the country who still have strong unions (and those aren't even close to problems like you insist on painting them to be), and as a result, most everyone in the private sector is having their production extracted from them in unprecedented amounts by the porkies that strive to undermine and prevent union organizing.

The only unrealistic demands in this economy are the capitalists' demands for laborers to trade away their productivity for barely livable wages.
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Public sectors are among the only areas of the country who still have strong unions
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Yes! It's amazing what you can do on the tax payers dime isn't it?

Tax payers don't get to negotiate right?
 
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What have any of the last few pages to do with the thread topic?
 
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Luther said:
Really?

Go and throw out some numbers for I can compare to where I live(wink)

Oh my.....

Chicago property tax rates catching up with suburbs
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Oh my?

You just found a reference that says Chicago taxpayers don’t pay lots of property taxes.

Which is what I said.

And that they are increasing, for one reason, because they will have better schools.
 
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Luther said:
Yes! It's amazing what you can do on the tax payers dime isn't it?

Tax payers don't get to negotiate right?
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Gee, it's almost like we live in a representative democracy where we (supposedly) pick candidates to support based on how well they represent our views on different issues, including taxes. Hell, we sometimes even have tax-related referendums that the citizenry directly votes on in America, if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Oh my?

You just found a reference that says Chicago taxpayers don’t pay lots of property taxes.

Which is what I said.

And that they are increasing, for one reason, because they will have better schools.
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(LOL)


Yeah... but finish the story


"Over the past decade" So... in other words it's been happen for awhile hasn't it?(WINK)

But that relative advantage has steadily melted away over the past decade amid rising taxes, even with lots of new commercial construction in the central area of the city, according to the Civic Federation study of effective tax rates
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Luther said:
(LOL)


Yeah... but finish the story


"Over the past decade" So... in other words it's been happen for awhile hasn't it?(WINK)
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It’s still lower now- more than most suburbs.
 
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TurtleDude said:
global markets makes that inevitable. If there are similarly skilled workers some place in the world, who are willing to do a job for one half as much as Americans are willing to do the job for, companies that use the cheaper labor have a huge competitive advantage over those who use union American labor. If people want to have much higher wages than foreign labor, they have to have more skills-and those are usually intellectual/learning since many jobs don't require much education or high tech skills
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one would believe from that post that you have never heard of this highly unionized economic dynamo named germany
 
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justabubba said:
one would believe from that post that you have never heard of this highly unionized economic dynamo named germany
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what does that have to do with America?
 
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justabubba said:
one would believe from that post that you have never heard of this highly unionized economic dynamo named germany
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Not too long ago Germany's economy was lagging relative to its major trading partners. Over the last 10-15 years, wages have actually grown at a slower rate than productivity has. Since the 1990s, when Germany went through a process of decentralization of wage bargaining, unit labor costs have decreased, increasing the country's competitiveness. That is a big part of its resurgence. German unions have at least in relatively recent history been a lot more flexible and big-picture-minded and business-minded than American unions, which tend to be a lot more political, rigidly anti-business, and frankly, downright Marxist a lot of times, at least in their rhetoric. We've seen German labor unions come out in opposition to protectionist economic policies. Find me one American labor union that has done that.

Link and Link.
 
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TurtleDude said:
what does that have to do with America?
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what is germany doing that we are not?*

despite its high wage rate to its citizenry, germany continues to be a heavy manufacturer and exporter
meanwhile, in the USA, we lament the loss of jobs and manufacturing ... while people like you insist that our wages are too high to remain competitive with third world countries

*here is a hint: germany is very supportive of unions
 
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justabubba said:
what is germany doing that we are not?*

despite its high wage rate to its citizenry, germany continues to be a heavy manufacturer and exporter
meanwhile, in the USA, we lament the loss of jobs and manufacturing ... while people like you insist that our wages are too high to remain competitive with third world countries

*here is a hint: germany is very supportive of unions
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How does unionization prevent the loss of manufacturing jobs?
 
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Jesse Booth said:
Gee, it's almost like we live in a representative democracy where we (supposedly) pick candidates to support based on how well they represent our views on different issues, including taxes. Hell, we sometimes even have tax-related referendums that the citizenry directly votes on in America, if I'm not mistaken.
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Yes, I would absolutely vote to raise your taxes. I think you confuse morality with majority.
 
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Anyone here want to make a wager on how Kentucky votes in the 2020 election? I'll bet that they don't vote for the Democrats nominee.
 
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Fletch said:
How does unionization prevent the loss of manufacturing jobs?
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It doesn't. No rational person would claim otherwise.
 
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Threegoofs said:
It’s still lower now- more than most suburbs.
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But not by much

And of course they will have to raise it again for to pay for Teachers recent greed

You got this
 
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