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Texas Gov Announces Investigation Into Case Of Mother Transitioning 7-Year-Old James Younger Against

nota bene said:
While reading around last evening, I stumbled onto the name of Michelle Cretella, M.D.....
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Natural News? Seriously?

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Cretella works with the "American College of Pediatricians," which is not a college at all (surprise!) and is classified by the SPLC as a hate group (surprise!). It's a tiny group of ultra right-wing pediatricians that broke with the AAP over gay parents. They support "conversion therapy," claim that LGBT individuals are bad parents, are against affirmation for transgender children (The American College of Pediatricians Is an Anti-LGBT Group | Psychology Today). She refers to affirmation -- not medication or surgery, but just affirmation -- as "child abuse." She denies that kids can be transgender at all.


I'm bringing this up only to add the one fact that speculation about Munchausen is not new.
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I would have brought up the Natural News article to point out how that kind of speculation is obviously a pseudoscientific conspiracy theory. Funny how that works, innit?
 
Visbek said:
Natural News? Seriously?

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Cretella works with the "American College of Pediatricians," which is not a college at all (surprise!) and is classified by the SPLC as a hate group (surprise!). It's a tiny group of ultra right-wing pediatricians that broke with the AAP over gay parents. They support "conversion therapy," claim that LGBT individuals are bad parents, are against affirmation for transgender children (The American College of Pediatricians Is an Anti-LGBT Group | Psychology Today). She refers to affirmation -- not medication or surgery, but just affirmation -- as "child abuse." She denies that kids can be transgender at all.

I would have brought up the Natural News article to point out how that kind of speculation is obviously a pseudoscientific conspiracy theory. Funny how that works, innit?
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So you're saying that some doctors can't be trusted?

Specifically, those doctors who disagree with your agenda?
 
nota bene said:
I've no idea. There is a lot none of us knows, but this isn't any wilder speculation than insisting that James Younger absolutely is gender dysphoric because doctors wouldn't say so unless he were.

I'm sure, though, that CPS is going to be interviewing the other kids, and how I'd love to know what they're going to say during the home study/investigation. (Georgulus apparently adopted before she married Jeff Younger and then underwent the IVF that resulted in James and Jude.)
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I think the likely possibilities, from best to worst, are:

1) The mother is INCREDIBLY suggestible/gullible.

2) She suffers from MSBP.

3) She's so enraged with her ex that she's destroying her child to cause anguish to the man.

4) Some combination of the above.

It's also possible - though extremely unlikely - that the 7 year old suffers from some genuine organic condition which should be treated in the way the mother is insisting upon, but I think this as likely as the Satanic child abuse claims of the 80s, and ultimately the same type of ludicrous, dangerous, destructive fad.

That anyone would even play along with this insanity is, well, insane.

Too wild for Alice in Wonderland really.
 
The mother is crazy. Literally crazy.

I hate it when courts step in and tell parents how to raise their children, but I see this as no different than stepping in to prevent a Muslim parent from having their daughter's genitals mutilated, or gang member having MS-13 tattooed on a child's face.
 
3leftsdoo said:
I think the likely possibilities, from best to worst, are:

1) The mother is INCREDIBLY suggestible/gullible.

2) She suffers from MSBP.

3) She's so enraged with her ex that she's destroying her child to cause anguish to the man.

4) Some combination of the above.

It's also possible - though extremely unlikely - that the 7 year old suffers from some genuine organic condition which should be treated in the way the mother is insisting upon, but I think this as likely as the Satanic child abuse claims of the 80s, and ultimately the same type of ludicrous, dangerous, destructive fad.

That anyone would even play along with this insanity is, well, insane.

Too wild for Alice in Wonderland really.
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To say that the sources that you have linked to are bat sheep crazy and liars would be incredibly generous.

What will it take for you and others to understand that the mother doesn't get to make any medical treatment decisions? She cannot make a diagnosis on her own child and she cannot instruct the doctors on how to treat her child. These decisions are made by a team of doctors and psychologists and her input is no different from that of any other parent. The treatment decisions are made by the Drs after long hours of testing and psychological counseling of the child without her present. If there is any indication that she is trying to coerce either the Drs or the child then children's services would remove the child from her custody and place it in protective care. This is a child and not her pet and the team of Drs will not allow her to force any diagnosis or treatment that is unwarranted.
 
Court Jester said:
The mother is crazy. Literally crazy.

I hate it when courts step in and tell parents how to raise their children, but I see this as no different than stepping in to prevent a Muslim parent from having their daughter's genitals mutilated, or gang member having MS-13 tattooed on a child's face.
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Well, mentally ill, incredibly gullible, phenomenally vindictive or (highly unlikely) the mother of a child with a genine organic disorder.

Regardless, it would seem she is not acting in the child's best interest, and is being enabled by profe$$ional$ who likewise do not have the child's best interests at heart.
 
Lisa said:
To say that the sources that you have linked to are bat sheep crazy and liars would be incredibly generous.

What will it take for you and others to understand that the mother doesn't get to make any medical treatment decisions? She cannot make a diagnosis on her own child and she cannot instruct the doctors on how to treat her child. These decisions are made by a team of doctors and psychologists and her input is no different from that of any other parent. The treatment decisions are made by the Drs after long hours of testing and psychological counseling of the child without her present. If there is any indication that she is trying to coerce either the Drs or the child then children's services would remove the child from her custody and place it in protective care. This is a child and not her pet and the team of Drs will not allow her to force any diagnosis or treatment that is unwarranted.
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I think you have me confused with Nota, who has been very patiently reducing your arguments to rubble.

Repeatedly.

And speaking of repeatedly, you might just want to reference prior post numbers in your replies at this point, as you've been making the same demolished arguments for days.
 
Visbek said:
Natural News? Seriously?

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Cretella works with the "American College of Pediatricians," which is not a college at all (surprise!) and is classified by the SPLC as a hate group (surprise!). It's a tiny group of ultra right-wing pediatricians that broke with the AAP over gay parents. They support "conversion therapy," claim that LGBT individuals are bad parents, are against affirmation for transgender children (The American College of Pediatricians Is an Anti-LGBT Group | Psychology Today). She refers to affirmation -- not medication or surgery, but just affirmation -- as "child abuse." She denies that kids can be transgender at all.

I would have brought up the Natural News article to point out how that kind of speculation is obviously a pseudoscientific conspiracy theory. Funny how that works, innit?
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Thank you for wasting the bandwidth I was trying to save and also for your keen analysis. :roll:
 
3leftsdoo said:
I think the likely possibilities, from best to worst, are:

1) The mother is INCREDIBLY suggestible/gullible.

2) She suffers from MSBP.

3) She's so enraged with her ex that she's destroying her child to cause anguish to the man.

4) Some combination of the above.

It's also possible - though extremely unlikely - that the 7 year old suffers from some genuine organic condition which should be treated in the way the mother is insisting upon, but I think this as likely as the Satanic child abuse claims of the 80s, and ultimately the same type of ludicrous, dangerous, destructive fad.

That anyone would even play along with this insanity is, well, insane.

Too wild for Alice in Wonderland really.
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I just don't know. Maybe she wanted her twins to be a boy and a girl. Maybe she sees in her child something none of us can. Maybe the children are simply pawns for both the father and mother. Neither parent comes off as sympathetic to me.
 
nota bene said:
I just don't know. Maybe she wanted her twins to be a boy and a girl. Maybe she sees in her child something none of us can. Maybe the children are simply pawns for both the father and mother. Neither parent comes off as sympathetic to me.
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Yeah - it's hard to know who the good guy might be (other than the kid).

The twin angle is interesting, as perhaps the incidence of GENUINE underlying organic cause of gender dysphoria is greater in twins, and the whole IVF thing may play in as well.

But the odds of there being some real biological basis to this are astronomically slim, so even if, for instance, the twin thing plays in, we're still looking at a close to 0 chance the kid has any real medical need for any of this.

If he wants to transform into a giraffe or whatever when he's 25, bless him, but the best term for this now is tragically insane.
 
Visbek said:
Good grief. Why do people leap to conclusions, without even trying to get the facts, in so many threads about the same thing no less?

There are no medical interventions whatsoever for this child at this time. There is no "transition" happening whatsoever. They won't even consider that until the start of puberty.

No one is forcing this child to do anything. The child started showing signs of gender dysphoria, so the mother went to therapists. At the trial, multiple therapists indicated that the best approach was to take the child's own preferences seriously. A Texas jury even sided with the mother, recommending full custody.

Abbott is just grandstanding for the gradually dwindling Red Hats.
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Telling a boy that he's a girl if messed up
 
3leftsdoo said:
So you're saying that some doctors can't be trusted?
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Doctors who push pseudoscientific conspiracy theories to promote their anti-LGBT agenda cannot be trusted.
 
3leftsdoo said:
I think the likely possibilities, from best to worst, are...
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Your "possibilities" are nonsense with no basis in the actual facts of the case, and most of them are downright insulting.

There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that parents who recognize gender dysphoria are "secretly" suffering from MBP and fooling everyone around them -- in this case, that includes multiple specialists in the field, Family Child Services, a court-appointed psychologist, a doctor hired by the defense, a jury and a judge.

There is also no indication from the case that the woman is being vindictive and taking it out on the child. Again, the court found that there was no abuse on either parent's part.

And no, gender dysphoria in children is not a "fad."

Thanks, but no thanks, for your biased "analysis" that has no basis whatsoever in any facts.
 
Court Jester said:
The mother is crazy. Literally crazy.
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Multiple therapists, Family Child Services, a court-appointed psychologist, a doctor hired by the father, a Dallas jury and a judge all disagree with you on that one.

Gender dysphoria (which is not the cause of all instances of transgenderism) is real. It can manifest in very young children. The mother is, as already noted, NOT asking for medical or surgical intervention, what she wants is to adopt an "affirmation" approach that follows the child's lead about their gender identity.


I hate it when courts step in and tell parents how to raise their children, but I see this as no different than stepping in to prevent a Muslim parent from having their daughter's genitals mutilated, or gang member having MS-13 tattooed on a child's face.
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:roll:

Again: No one is talking about surgery on a minor. That is extremely rare, and few doctors will even consider it. They aren't even talking about any medications until the child is much older.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Yeah - it's hard to know who the good guy might be (other than the kid).

The twin angle is interesting, as perhaps the incidence of GENUINE underlying organic cause of gender dysphoria is greater in twins, and the whole IVF thing may play in as well.

But the odds of there being some real biological basis to this are astronomically slim, so even if, for instance, the twin thing plays in, we're still looking at a close to 0 chance the kid has any real medical need for any of this.

If he wants to transform into a giraffe or whatever when he's 25, bless him, but the best term for this now is tragically insane.
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I'm very glad that this case is high-profile and wish only that all kids in sketchy/scary situations (similar or dissimilar) were too. CPS in Texas is woefully underfunded, and this is true in other states as well.
 
3leftsdoo said:
I think you have me confused with Nota, who has been very patiently reducing your arguments to rubble.

Repeatedly.

And speaking of repeatedly, you might just want to reference prior post numbers in your replies at this point, as you've been making the same demolished arguments for days.
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Nota' has not reduced anything of mine to rubble because she is still convinced that the mother makes treatment decisions. We have tried to explain to her about the details of the process but she still believes the insane conspitarial rantings of LifeSiteNews andother extremists website aboiut the process. I am tired of trying to have a rational conversation with either her or Dixon because they are so deep in the hole that they cannot be reached with logic or facts.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Telling a boy that he's a girl if messed up
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Where do you get this nonsense from?

Nobody is telling a boy that he is a girl. The situation is 180° different. It is the little girl telling the Dr that she has felt like a girl and letting her dress and groom herself how she is comfortable as well as having others use the proper gendered pronouns.
 
Lisa said:
Where do you get this nonsense from?
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to tell a little boy that he's a little girl is confusing him for work points. That's extremely selfish.
Nobody is telling a boy that he is a girl. The situation is 180° different. It is the little girl telling the Dr that she has felt like a girl and letting her dress and groom herself how she is comfortable as well as having others use the proper gendered pronouns.
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But he's really little boy. That's messed up.

Confusing a child for woke points and setting him up for really a bad life choice. Among transgender people? Why in the hell would you do that to your kid further how is it not abuse?
 
CLAX1911 said:
to tell a little boy that he's a little girl is confusing him for work points. That's extremely selfish.

But he's really little boy. That's messed up.

Confusing a child for woke points and setting him up for really a bad life choice. Among transgender people? Why in the hell would you do that to your kid further how is it not abuse?
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You need to find a news source that doesn't make the National Enquirer look credible.

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Overall, we rate LifeSiteNews far right biased based on story selection that always favors evangelical Christianity and Mixed for factual reporting due to a few failed fact checks.
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Nobody is confusing anything and the mother has no say in the child's care. It is the child who says that she is female and the doctors are monitoring her while she dresses/lives as a girl in elementary school.
 
Lisa said:
You need to find a news source that doesn't make the National Enquirer look credible.
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why? What I'm saying makes perfect sense to everyone except for those trying to earn woke points.

Brainwashing a little boy into believing he's a little girl is abusive on face value.

It's madness to suggest it isn't.


Nobody is confusing anything and the mother has no say in the child's care.
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so he's in the custody of the state?
It is the child who says that she is female and the doctors are monitoring her while she dresses/lives as a girl in elementary school.
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This is the stupidest part of it. What if the kid says he's a cat?

Why in the hell would I abusive doctors take a kids game of pretend and **** him over like this.

Playing dress-up is perfectly acceptable. Lots of kids do it. Are those kids all trans now?
 
Roadvirus said:
This crap is getting ridiculous.

7 years old is way too young to be making this kind of irreversible decision for a kid. Mom has some serious issues.
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Things are right on schedule. It will get much worse. I'm not much of a bible thumper, but I am a bible believing Christian. Things as outlandish as this reminds me of the end times prophecy. Such as: Second Timothy 3:1-5 “But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.”
And: Matthew 24:10-12 “And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.”
The scriptures keep me from getting to upset when I see things going this way.
 
CLAX1911 said:
why? What I'm saying makes perfect sense to everyone except for those trying to earn woke points.

Brainwashing a little boy into believing he's a little girl is abusive on face value.

It's madness to suggest it isn't.


so he's in the custody of the state?
This is the stupidest part of it. What if the kid says he's a cat?

Why in the hell would I abusive doctors take a kids game of pretending and **** him over like this.

Playing dress-up is perfectly acceptable. Lots of kids do it. Are those kids all trans now?
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Nobody is brainwashing the child. The idea of being "woke" as a reason to do anything is laugahble.

The Drs are closely monitoring this child. The law doesnt allow the mother to do what you claim that she is and the Drs medical licenses would be revoked if they went along with the claims that you are making about the mother.

Have you ever considered reading about the transgender standards of care instead of believing a group of religious wackadoodle mouthbreathers who rely on your ignorance and your emotional outrage?

https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC v7/Standards of Care_V7 Full Book_English.pdf

Ensuring Comprehensive Care and Support for Transgender and Gender-Diverse Children and Adolescents | American Academy of Pediatrics
 
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nota bene said:
Calling those who disagree with you transphobic is unfair.
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Trying to hide bigoted positions behind a victim narrative is pathetic. People can call a position, argument or claim transphobic. You're trying to make it so we can't do that. You're trying to make it so that any criticism claiming bigotry is magically transformed into a personal insult.

Well, I got news for you. There's a lot of transphobic garbage in this thread and no amount of your BS victim narrative can change that.
 
Lisa said:
Nobody is brainwashing the child. The idea of being "woke" as a reason to do anything is laugahble.
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No it's accurate. Thinking this child knows what trans means would be laughable if it wasn't so messed up
The Drs are closely monitoring this child.
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They sould be arrested for malpractice.
The law doesnt allow the mother to do what you claim that she is and the Drs medical licenses would be revoked if they went along with the claims that you are making about the mother.
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Yet she isn't being denied custody and the doctors aren't having their licenses revoked because this madness has permeated the culture.
Have you ever considered reading about the transgender standards of care instead of believing a group of religious wackadoodle mouthbreathers who rely on your ignorance and your emotional outrage?
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have you ever considered but you will be convinced of anything as long as the people you consider wackadoodle mouth breathers are against it.

No not you you're utterly perfect anyone who disagrees with you is a wackadoodle mouth breather who relies on ignorance and emotion. You're not at all trying to prove how intellectual you are by believing The emperor's New clothes are in fact very beautiful and that you can see them.
 
ecofarm said:
Trying to hide bigoted positions behind a victim narrative is pathetic.
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every time you disagree with somebody you say they're presenting a victim narrative.
People can call a position, argument or claim transphobic.
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but it's intellectually lazy to do so.
Just like killing someone there islamophobic for criticizing Islam.
You're trying to make it so we can't do that. You're trying to make it so that any criticism claiming bigotry is magically transformed into a personal insult.
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no she's trying to point out that calling everything that you disagree with the bigotry is moronic and lazy.

To be honest I hope you continue to do it.
Well, I got news for you. There's a lot of transphobic garbage in this thread and no amount of your BS victim narrative can change that.
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Yeah, racist and islamophobic too.
 
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