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Texas Gov Announces Investigation Into Case Of Mother Transitioning 7-Year-Old James Younger Against

No one ever said the government has no role; and it certainly has a role in protecting the rights of citizens. You know Mengele would be proud of you and your cohorts' support for experimenting with the sex of that boy.
 
^ Notice how he doesn't refute the claim that Republican politicians don't care about consent, child abuse, and bodily autonomy. Because he can't. :)

A mother trying to mutilate the body of an 8 year old boy, ought to be imprisoned immediately. It's called child abuse. That boys rights trump his mother's sick leftwing desires.
 
A mother trying to mutilate the body of an 8 year old boy, ought to be imprisoned immediately. It's called child abuse. That boys rights trump his mother's sick leftwing desires.

And I wouldn't limit the criticism to the bodily mutilation and would extend it to the hormone treatments as well. 80-90 % of these kids expressing feelings of being transgendered, simply lose those feelings over time. I suspect hormone blockers at age 11 brings that down to near 0%.

Dr. Stephen Levine, a psychiatrist who specializes in human sexuality and has been working in the field for several decades, was called to the stand by Odeneal.

He testified that eleven studies had been completed showing that when an approach of “watchful waiting” is taken without any affirmation or social transition, “desistance” (identifying with the gender of one’s biological sex) occurred in around 80 to 90 percent of cases after children thought to be transgender continue developing throughout adolescence.
Hearing in Custody Battle Over Alleged Transgender Seven-Year-Old Will Resume Next Week | The Texan

Reading the article

Both witnesses — as well as all of the mother’s witnesses who know James — testified that James has not displayed any signs of distress. Everyone described him as a bright, happy, outgoing child.....
Those who testified — and even those who diagnosed James with gender dysphoria — said that he has not displayed any such distress.

Seems the psyche profession is operating under the old view of the DSM where being transgendered is the mental disorder, and not the current DSM view that it is only the transgendered who experience significant distress that have the mental disorder Gender Dysphoria and the other transgenders who do not are perfectly normal from a psychiatric point of view. This kid isn't suffering from any distress but the medical profession is advising radical treatment anyway.
 
The medical records say otherwise.
Dude? I quoted the exact same article. None of the therapists working with the child indicated that was an imminent plan. The endocrinologist you quoted was testifying for the mother, not the father.
 
Absolutely justified. 7 years old is far too young for a decision like that. I totally, 100% support this kid acting like any gender that makes him happy, but transitioning is a serious decision that only a legal adult can make for her or himself.

Well it's unfortunate that everything this idiotic thread is based upon is actually a flat lie. The child is the one who wants to act like a girl, and the mother is not in fact forcing any type of transition on him whatsoever. What she has said is that maybe when he's a teenager if he still wants to be a girl she might consider hormone therapy, but that is not at all what is happening right now.

A jury of 12 Texas decided that not only should the father not get full custody, but 11 out of the 12 jurors actually ruled that the mother should get full custody.

Just another example of right wing morons grandstanding for a problem that doesn't exist.
 
Stripping dad of his 1st amendment rights. How un-American.

Lying in order to create fake outrage and convince a whole bunch of right wing nut jobs to launch death threats against the mother and judge who have done nothing wrong is not a 1st amendment right. It's dangerous.
 
No matter how this ends, the kid is going to grow up mentally scarred. All because Mom thinks he's a girl.
 
Dude? I quoted the exact same article. .

Yeah, you relayed what the Mothers attorney is NOW saying. I relayed the medical reports that say otherwise.
 
Well it's unfortunate that everything this idiotic thread is based upon is actually a flat lie. The child is the one who wants to act like a girl,.

Because his mother has been telling him since he was 3 years old that he is a girl. AND he also acts as a boy by his own choice.
 
Well it's unfortunate that everything this idiotic thread is based upon is actually a flat lie. The child is the one who wants to act like a girl, and the mother is not in fact forcing any type of transition on him whatsoever. What she has said is that maybe when he's a teenager if he still wants to be a girl she might consider hormone therapy, but that is not at all what is happening right now.

Odeneal has also repeatedly contended that Georgulas does intend to pursue a medical gender transition for James, citing medical records that note James would be referred to doctors at the GENecis clinic for puberty suppression once he reached eight or nine years old.

Dr. Daniel Shumer, an endocrinologist (a doctor specializing in hormones) called by the mother’s lawyers to testify, said that puberty blockers are used “to buy some time” for those at the start of puberty so that they and their parents can decide if a full medical transition should be made...….

Shumer said that puberty blockers are only ever first used at the beginning of puberty, which for boys is marked by the “Tanner stages of sexual development” and not age. He said that on average, this occurs around age 11 ½ for boys.
Hearing in Custody Battle Over Alleged Transgender Seven-Year-Old Will Resume Next Week | The Texan
 
And I wouldn't limit the criticism to the bodily mutilation and would extend it to the hormone treatments as well.
Good grief. Gender reassignment is pretty far along at this time, and strictly controlled. No one, I repeat no one, is suggesting gender reassignment surgery on children, period.


80-90 % of these kids expressing feelings of being transgendered, simply lose those feelings over time. I suspect hormone blockers at age 11 brings that down to near 0%.
Yeah, not so much. There are lots of issues with those studies,right down to the very use of the term "desistance." Transgendered individuals are among the most heavily stigmatized groups in the US, so it is not surprising that a "waiting" approach results in children trying to conform to family and/or social pressures.

I might add, it seems like Levine didn't do a good job of convincing a jury that the "waiting" approach was a disaster, as they almost all sided with the mother. Go figure.
 
Well it's unfortunate that everything this idiotic thread is based upon is actually a flat lie. The child is the one who wants to act like a girl, and the mother is not in fact forcing any type of transition on him whatsoever. What she has said is that maybe when he's a teenager if he still wants to be a girl she might consider hormone therapy, but that is not at all what is happening right now.

What’s idiotic is that a parent leapt to the conclusion that her son must be transgender and took him to three different therapists for some good old fashioned confirmation bias because he asked for a “girl’s” toy in a Happy Meal. This whole debate about a 7 year old child being transgender is stupid.
 
A mother trying to mutilate the body of an 8 year old boy, ought to be imprisoned immediately. It's called child abuse. That boys rights trump his mother's sick leftwing desires.

It's your side who believes that parents should be able to do whatever the hell they want to their children, so I have no idea what you're blathering about this time. :shrug:
 
Good grief. Gender reassignment is pretty far along at this time, and strictly controlled. No one, I repeat no one, is suggesting gender reassignment surgery on children, period.
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The science of psychiatry does. They just need their parents approval until they are 18.
 
What’s idiotic is that a parent leapt to the conclusion that her son must be transgender and took him to three different therapists for some good old fashioned confirmation bias....
Uhhhh.... Yeahno, that's not how it works.

If all she wanted was a therapist to confirm her bias, she would have stopped with the first affirmative answer.

This kind of diagnosis is not trivial, and therapists aren't in the business of telling parents what they want to hear.
 
Uhhhh.... Yeahno, that's not how it works.

If all she wanted was a therapist to confirm her bias, she would have stopped with the first affirmative answer.

This kind of diagnosis is not trivial, and therapists aren't in the business of telling parents what they want to hear.

The mother had no reasonable grounds to suspect it in the first place and it is trivial for a 7 year old child and probably incorrect. Even the therapists admitted under oath that he did not meet the DSM requirements for such a diagnosis. I’m more inclined to believe the court appointed attorney’s view that he is simply gender fluid.
 
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The science of psychiatry does. They just need their parents approval until they are 18.
No, dude. Gender reassignment surgery is extremely rare for anyone under 18.

For example, the APA does not seem to recommend surgery for minors:

A child’s treatment typically involves a multi-disciplinary team of health care professionals, which may include a pediatrician, a psychiatrist, other mental health professionals, a pediatric endocrinologist (specialists in hormone conditions in children) and an advocate. Treatment may focus primarily on affirming psychological support, understanding feelings and coping with distress, and giving children a safe space to articulate their feelings. For many children the feelings do not continue into adolescence and adulthood.
What Is Gender Dysphoria?
 
The mother had no reasonable grounds to suspect it in the first place and it is trivial for a 7 year old child and probably incorrect. I’m more inclined to believe the court appointed attorney’s view that he is simply gender fluid.
I see no real reason to second-guess the conclusions of professional therapists who worked with the child for months -- especially based on evidence provided by the father.

The couple didn't just get divorced, the mother had their marriage annulled because he repeatedly lied to her about his past. He lied about his previous marriages, military service and discharge, income, career, education. E.g. He exaggerated the amount of time he was a Marine (months, not years as he claimed). He failed to tell her that he was discharged from the Army because he admitted to being homosexual. He claimed he had a PhD, when apparently he didn't finish college.

It also seems like he is putting his own agenda above his concerns for the child. The mother, for example, kept quiet to protect the family and the kids. The father turned this into a cause celebre for the Red Hat set, including false accusations about the child's care. As a result, the judge put a gag order on the father.

So, you'll have to excuse me if I take claims from his camp (and the anti-transgender right-wingers who leaped to his side) with a huge grain of salt.
 
This isn't about Republicans or Democrats; it's about the welfare of a child. And I'm glad that Governor Abbott has stepped up.
If it wasn't political, why did he have to tweet about it? Even if triggering a child protection investigation was about a legitimate concern about the child's safety, publicising the fact was entirely about political populism. The problem with that is that to keep the voters he's seeking to attract happy, he doesn't just need the investigation to happen, he needs it to rule in a particular way.
 
I see no real reason to second-guess the conclusions of professional therapists who worked with the child for months -- especially based on evidence provided by the father.

The couple didn't just get divorced, the mother had their marriage annulled because he repeatedly lied to her about his past. He lied about his previous marriages, military service and discharge, income, career, education. E.g. He exaggerated the amount of time he was a Marine (months, not years as he claimed). He failed to tell her that he was discharged from the Army because he admitted to being homosexual. He claimed he had a PhD, when apparently he didn't finish college.

It also seems like he is putting his own agenda above his concerns for the child. The mother, for example, kept quiet to protect the family and the kids. The father turned this into a cause celebre for the Red Hat set, including false accusations about the child's care. As a result, the judge put a gag order on the father.

So, you'll have to excuse me if I take claims from his camp (and the anti-transgender right-wingers who leaped to his side) with a huge grain of salt.

Those experts also testified on cross examination that the boy does not actually meet the DSM requirements for such a diagnosis. And one such expert was exposed as having omitted his referral for the boy to begin hormone treatment at age eight from the patient file he submitted to the court. Sorry, I’m not in favor of ruining this kid’s life on the basis of an illegitimate diagnosis from quacks just because you don’t like his father.
 
What’s idiotic is that a parent leapt to the conclusion that her son must be transgender and took him to three different therapists for some good old fashioned confirmation bias because he asked for a “girl’s” toy in a Happy Meal. This whole debate about a 7 year old child being transgender is stupid.

Liberal brainwashing is an ugly sight. We are witnessing a prime example of it with this case.
 
Therapists work for whomever is paying the bill. Next time you want a two month paid vacation, have a therapist declare you with major depression and enjoy your two months in Rio.

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I find it highly unlikely that you know better about the situation than multiple therapists who have worked with the family for months on this issue.
 
If it wasn't political, why did he have to tweet about it? Even if triggering a child protection investigation was about a legitimate concern about the child's safety, publicising the fact was entirely about political populism. The problem with that is that to keep the voters he's seeking to attract happy, he doesn't just need the investigation to happen, he needs it to rule in a particular way.

Why does anybody tweet? Scroll down to read about political figures' use of Twitter: Use of Twitter by public figures - Wikipedia

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Why does anybody tweet?
Nice evasion attempt. I'll just have to be more direct.

Politicians tweet for political advantage. This politician tweeted about calling the investigation for political advantage. It seems perfectly possible that he couldn't care less about the child's welfare and only called the investigation so he could use it for political advantage.
 
This isn't about Republicans or Democrats; it's about the welfare of a child. And I'm glad that Governor Abbott has stepped up.

There is no reason for Gov. Abbott to step up except to put his name on it.

I do agree with the investigation, which would never require notification of the governor.
 
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