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Pelosi and Graham team up to oppose Trump's Syria decision

Chomsky said:
Like I said, I don't see how they can do it. Trump released the genie from the bottle. And ISIS is being freed into the wild, I assure you with eyes on America.
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When ISIS learns how quickly and completely we eliminated AQ and their Taliban supporters from Afghanistan then they would not dare mess with us. ;)

The Chinese, Russians and Iranians must be chuckling as the US spends billions playing whack-a-mole with AQ and ISIS in the ME leaving loads of chaos for them to take advantage of.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Too late. The Kurds will be aligning now with Damascus and Moscow. It will be a long time before they trust Washington again.
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The last term anyone should use for Graham is ‘forceful’. He calls these sanctions a ‘game-changer’ after being spoken to by trump, forgetting how trump has refused to apply previously approved sanctions passed by Congress on other rogue nations.

Just today, Liz Cheney is blaming Democrats for the Turkish invasion and slaughter of Kurdish women and children, stating Democrats have weakened his Presidency with impeachment proceedings.

This thread is nothing more than weak-kneed leftist chameleonic ambivalence, hoping for republicoward Senators to grow a spine that will never happen. The most dishonest of all are those who speak of ‘50’ Soldiers and a War with Turkey.

The worst of the Daesh terrorists are now free to rebuild a caliphate that will more resemble an archipelago. The Kurds, and to a greater extent the Israelis and all of our allies, will NEVER trust the USA again. Ungrateful Sabotaging Ally — indeed.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Once Turkey told Trump that they were moving 15K troops into Northern Syria the choice was get out of the way or stand and fight against terrible odds. I notice you ducked the question of the US going to war against Turkey for the sake of the Kurds in Northern Syria.
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I'm not going to answer your question until you provide a non-chicanery answer to mine. Fun fact, tt, foreign policy options often come down to choosing the lesser of two evils: Stay in the Middle East even longer, or let millions of innocent people be systematically destroyed. Did you even think for one moment that there was an easier option than that? The USA's cutting and running is to choose the second option, do you not see this?
 
Phys251 said:
I'm not going to answer your question until you provide a non-chicanery answer to mine. Fun fact, tt, foreign policy options often come down to choosing the lesser of two evils: Stay in the Middle East even longer, or let millions of innocent people be systematically destroyed. Did you even think for one moment that there was an easier option than that? The USA's cutting and running is to choose the second option, do you not see this?
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Yep, the US military achieved peace, love and tie-dye all over the ME just like they did in Afghanistan.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (Axios) Pelosi and Graham team up to oppose Trump's Syria decision

Well, isn't this an interesting development and alliance? Some, might even call it an unholy alliance!

I'm a bit surprised by the forcefulness of Graham's statement. Not surprised by Pelosi here, but I'm not sure what Graham's angle is? As a vet, perhaps he's acting altruistically. One can hope.

BTW - I find Axios to be an excellent resource for quickly getting the day's important news in a relatively brief form, and seemingly free of any overt bias.
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tacomancer said:
unlike trump, these two actually care about our country!
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They should excercise their constitutional authority to declare war.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, the US military achieved peace, love and tie-dye all over the ME just like they did in Afghanistan.
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In other words, making a choice between the lesser of two evils is too difficult for you. Got it.

Return to your simple wargames where good and evil are clearly defined. :)
 
Chomsky said:
Like I said, I don't see how they can do it. Trump released the genie from the bottle. And ISIS is being freed into the wild, I assure you with eyes on America.
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They're the JV team, though. Right?
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, but I haven't seen that from Graham in impeachment matters. Graham's been muddying the waters, running interference for Trump to the point of what appears to be witness intimidation.
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Yep, that's Lindsey Graham, his sails will always steer him in the path of least resistance. Wherever the wind blows, he'll go.

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Phys251 said:
I'm not going to answer your question until you provide a non-chicanery answer to mine. Fun fact, tt, foreign policy options often come down to choosing the lesser of two evils: Stay in the Middle East even longer, or let millions of innocent people be systematically destroyed. Did you even think for one moment that there was an easier option than that? The USA's cutting and running is to choose the second option, do you not see this?
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I bet you weren't saying that when Obama pulled out of Iraq.
 
Yeah **** you graham. I wont take you seriously until you vote to remove this mother****er.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
No, but not at the expense of sacrificing those meager US military personnel in path of the Turkish invasion. Do you support a war with Turkey?
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Those 50 US personnel at Manbij have been there for many months now. Gen. Mattis put them there. Erdogan wouldn't dare attack that outpost.

That is why Erdogan called Trump and asked him to remove the blocking position. Without consulting with anyone, Trump acquiesced to the dictator.
 
Phys251 said:
In other words, making a choice between the lesser of two evils is too difficult for you. Got it.

Return to your simple wargames where good and evil are clearly defined. :)
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Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. Return to your Trump is bad no matter what choice he makes mode.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. Return to your Trump is bad no matter what choice he makes mode.
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Trump is bad news, whether you admit to that or not.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Those 50 US personnel at Manbij have been there for many months now. Gen. Mattis put them there. Erdogan wouldn't dare attack that outpost.

That is why Erdogan called Trump and asked him to remove the blocking position. Without consulting with anyone, Trump acquiesced to the dictator.
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Who told you that tale? Could have that come from those not consulted?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Who told you that tale? Could have that come from those not consulted?
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It's been widely reported. Do you deny Trump spoke with Erdogan on the day he issued the withdrawal order?
 
Rogue Valley said:
It's been widely reported. Do you deny Trump spoke with Erdogan on the day he issued the withdrawal order?
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Nope, but I (like you) have no first hand knowledge of what was said on either side.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, but I (like you) have no first hand knowledge of what was said on either side.
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Is that your defense of Trump now? Semantics and parsing?

Are the Congressional Republicans also way far off base in their charges here?
 
Mycroft said:
I don't see anything in the quotes from either Pelosi or Graham about "overturn President Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria". They both speak about sanctions...which, btw, Trump has already spoken about doing.

To me, this is what's going on here...

Trump: We will devastate Turkey's economy by way of sanctions and other measures.

Nancy and Lindsey: We call on Trump to enact sanctions!!!

Axios: Pelosi and Graham "discuss bipartisan efforts to overturn President Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria".

Trump-hating useful idiots: YOU TELL HIM, NANCY AND LINDSEY!!"

Unbiased people: Huh??? :doh​
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Oh so trump said it, so I'm sure it was going to happen at any minute...:lamo
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Once Turkey told Trump that they were moving 15K troops into Northern Syria the choice was get out of the way or stand and fight against terrible odds. I notice you ducked the question of the US going to war against Turkey for the sake of the Kurds in Northern Syria.
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No not really, for the few numbers that are there a can assume it is advisers and Delta.

Neither would be in the main battles...
 
Trumps own aides have said (off the record for fear of reprisals) that they told Trump numerous times not to do this.

A bipartisan Congress told Trump not to do this when it came up months ago.

General Mattis resigned over Trump wanting to do this previously. No one at the Pentagon had any idea Trump was about to do this.

Not the Joint Chiefs, not the Centcom Combatant Commander, nobody. Trump himself told us what he did in a Tweet. That is how the Kurds found out!

So I don't want to hear this crap that poor little Donnie is misunderstood and is being picked on by everyone.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, but I haven't seen that from Graham in impeachment matters. Graham's been muddying the waters, running interference for Trump to the point of what appears to be witness intimidation.
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Here's a weird man.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. Return to your Trump is bad no matter what choice he makes mode.
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And with that, you reveal that this is clearly too complicated a matter for you to indulge in. :2wave:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
When ISIS learns how quickly and completely we eliminated AQ and their Taliban supporters from Afghanistan then they would not dare mess with us. ;)

The Chinese, Russians and Iranians must be chuckling as the US spends billions playing whack-a-mole with AQ and ISIS in the ME leaving loads of chaos for them to take advantage of.
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ISIS just saw us fold like a cheap suit ...
 
Linc said:
The last term anyone should use for Graham is ‘forceful’. He calls these sanctions a ‘game-changer’ after being spoken to by trump, forgetting how trump has refused to apply previously approved sanctions passed by Congress on other rogue nations.

Just today, Liz Cheney is blaming Democrats for the Turkish invasion and slaughter of Kurdish women and children, stating Democrats have weakened his Presidency with impeachment proceedings.

This thread is nothing more than weak-kneed leftist chameleonic ambivalence, hoping for republicoward Senators to grow a spine that will never happen. The most dishonest of all are those who speak of ‘50’ Soldiers and a War with Turkey.

The worst of the Daesh terrorists are now free to rebuild a caliphate that will more resemble an archipelago. The Kurds, and to a greater extent the Israelis and all of our allies, will NEVER trust the USA again. Ungrateful Sabotaging Ally — indeed.
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And now, Putin's walking right in ...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. Return to your Trump is bad no matter what choice he makes mode.
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What did we learn, from Al Queda? That you fight them "there", so you don't have to fight them "here".

We had 3000 casualties from the last battle we fought on our soil. Which is why we took the fight to them. To protect our homeland. I suspect you're not thinking this through.
 
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