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'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers

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It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters

About two years ago, ICE stepped up operations in the Permian area, according to Lea County employers.

“I know people, my peers, that have been hit by immigration audits, and they were told, specifically, that the Permian Basin was targeted because of the vast amount of workers that were coming here,” said Finn Smith, president of Hobbs-based Watson Hopper Inc.
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Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor.
 
Trump doesn't want the kind of immigrant who would be willing to take those dangerous jobs. And he especially doesn't want their families.
 
Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters



Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor.
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There was nothing in that article that says that US citizens don't want to take those oil related jobs. In fact, everyone who was quoted appeared to prefer to hire non-US citizens.

This article is nothing more than those employers whining because ICE is finally doing their jobs and enforcing the law. I have no sympathy for them.

They have two solutions:

1. If they insist on hiring non-US citizens, then they need to lobby Congress to reform the laws to make it more efficient for them to get work permits for non-US citizens.

2. Hire US citizens.
 
Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters



Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor.
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If you pay enough, you'll find US citizens willing to do the work. Basic economics.

But God forbid that big business have to actually pay their workers a decent amount! Liberals would never stand for that.
 
Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters



Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do.These typically involve lots of physical labor.
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Absolute horse ****. If companies are whining about not being able to employ immigrants its because they do not want to pay Americans enough money to do those jobs in the first place. Assuming you are actually employed and American you wouldn't work at work at your job if it offered significantly less money.So why would you expect other Americans as well?
 
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jamesrage said:
Absolute horse ****. If companies are whining about not being able to employ immigrants its because they do not want to pay Americans enough money to do those jobs in the first place. Assuming you are actually employed and American you wouldn't work at work at your job if it offered significantly less money.So why would you expect other Americans as well?
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And it has nothing to do with poor working attitudes of Americans and lack of education/training? It is amazing how the "pay excuse" is used in all of these discussions and yet nothing about work attitudes... it is especially funny when the complaints come about jobs in one of the best paid industries in the US, where the average wage is 200k a year. Are you telling me that no American is willing to work for 200k a year?



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Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters



Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor...
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...for 10 or 12 hours a day at wages below the minimum with few or no benefits.

Of course nobody wants those jobs. Why do you support the exploitation of minority immigrants?
 
Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters



Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor.
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Trump doesnt make the laws. Hes just enforcing then. Whats congress doing to change the laws to allow more legal immigrants in who have job offers?
 
AmNat said:
If you pay enough, you'll find US citizens willing to do the work. Basic economics.

But God forbid that big business have to actually pay their workers a decent amount! Liberals would never stand for that.
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And here I thought it was the liberals who were in favor of a living wage.
 
AmNat said:
If you pay enough, you'll find US citizens willing to do the work. Basic economics.

But God forbid that big business have to actually pay their workers a decent amount! Liberals would never stand for that.
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Ohfer****sakes.
Could you possibly write something stupider? Oh, wait, that wasn't a challenge. I know you could, easily.
 
Masterhawk said:
And here I thought it was the liberals who were in favor of a living wage.
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"All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. If a man tells you he loves America, yet he hates labor, he is a liar. There is no America without labor, and to rob one is to fleece the other." - Abraham Lincoln

Grand Mal said:
Ohfer****sakes.
Could you possibly write something stupider? Oh, wait, that wasn't a challenge. I know you could, easily.
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If liberals don't like being called corporate shills, perhaps they shouldn't be corporate shills.
 
AmNat said:
"All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. If a man tells you he loves America, yet he hates labor, he is a liar. There is no America without labor, and to rob one is to fleece the other." - Abraham Lincoln



If liberals don't like being called corporate shills, perhaps they shouldn't be corporate shills.
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By you? Liberals should do something because you say they should? No, sorry, shouldn't do something you say they do because you say they shouldn't do it?
I don't know, sounds to me like you got nothing.
 
Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters



Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor.
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Often when I hear about "jobs Americans don't want to do" I wonder "why don't they?"

And I also wonder if the supply of those willing to will ever end, forcing the job requirements to change.
 
Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters
Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor.
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I regularly hired illegal immigrants in my business because they need jobs the US government will not legally allow them to get. To hell with those laws if the government encourages illegals to come here with their children and then refuses to allow them to work to support themselves and their families.
 
Wow, I never thought I would ever see this. Liberals shilling for Big Oil. The end is surely near.
 
Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters



Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor.
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So we go and open a whole another can of worms by more already too high immigration right?

Also, take away welfare and watch the Americans come for these jobs(wink)
 
PeteEU said:
And it has nothing to do with poor working attitudes of Americans and lack of education/training? It is amazing how the "pay excuse" is used in all of these discussions and yet nothing about work attitudes... it is especially funny when the complaints come about jobs in one of the best paid industries in the US, where the average wage is 200k a year. Are you telling me that no American is willing to work for 200k a year?
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Can you substantiate that salary claim? I don't see where they mention anything like that in the OP link.
 
AmNat said:
"All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. If a man tells you he loves America, yet he hates labor, he is a liar. There is no America without labor, and to rob one is to fleece the other." - Abraham Lincoln



If liberals don't like being called corporate shills, perhaps they shouldn't be corporate shills.
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Lincoln and fellow northern Republicans of his day were the liberals back then. The slaver southern Democrats were the conservatives.
 
Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters



Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor.
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then they should offer a higher wage
 
BahamaBob said:
Wow, I never thought I would ever see this. Liberals shilling for Big Oil. The end is surely near.
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I'd say it's their pitchfork fever talking, but the reality is that liberals have always shilled for the plutocracy.

Hell - many of them ARE the plutocracy!

:yes:
 
PeteEU said:
And it has nothing to do with poor working attitudes of Americans and lack of education/training? It is amazing how the "pay excuse" is used in all of these discussions and yet nothing about work attitudes... it is especially funny when the complaints come about jobs in one of the best paid industries in the US, where the average wage is 200k a year. Are you telling me that no American is willing to work for 200k a year?



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You might be talking about petroleum engineers. I think the article was about people who do the heavy lifting.
 
Luther said:
So we go and open a whole another can of worms by more already too high immigration right?

Also, take away welfare and watch the Americans come for these jobs(wink)
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Unemployment is already pretty low in the US.
 
Masterhawk said:
It seems like Trump's immigration policy is taking its toll on its economy. As told in one story, Vega, the owner of many oil rigs in New Mexico, cannot find eonugh legal immigrants to operate them. He has decided to do things the legal way by not hiring illegals, partly because of Trump's hardline stance on illegal immigration
'Broken system' starves U.S. oil boom of immigrant workers - Reuters



Conservatives often complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs but the fact of the matter is that they take the jobs that US citizens don't want to do. These typically involve lots of physical labor.
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Sad to see such blind hatred against immigrants, but at least this hurts Big Oil too. :thumbs:
 
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