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The Whisteblower: Trump is a national security threat

iguanaman said:
LOL Yes and over 50% of voters agreed. Trump got 46%
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Remember when DJT railed against the injustice of the Electoral College on election night 2012?
His outraged tweets are hilarious given the 2016 election outcome.
 
MTAtech said:
The IG for the intelligence service ruled it credible. The WH disagrees. According to the law, the culprit doesn’t get to weigh in. Under federal law, the D.N.I. “shall” deliver an inspector general’s report about an “urgent concern” to Congress within a week of receiving it. There is no “unless they disagree” exception.
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You should know by now that Rod Rosenstein has proved the Justice Department does not release anything it considers to be of national security interest to keep under wraps. Did you fail to follow the fighting between Congress and Rosenstein over the release of documents related to the FISA abuses which gave us the failed Russian investigation?
 
HAL9000 said:
Well, a bit of advice for Mr Trump then: In a system which relies good faith participation, it's much easier to govern when one acts in good faith too.

If this whistleblower story is true, Trump has no business governing America.
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"If the whistleblower story is true?" What story? We have not yet even been given the facts or the specifics of the claims. All we know is that one disgruntled leftist INS clerk has taken his disrespect for President Trump to the public through leaking leftist democrats in Congress hoping to bring Trump down and be declared a hero among the savage leftist commie beasts in the democrat party.
 
marke said:
"If the whistleblower story is true?" What story? We have not yet even been given the facts or the specifics of the claims. All we know is that one disgruntled leftist INS clerk has taken his disrespect for President Trump to the public through leaking leftist democrats in Congress hoping to bring Trump down and be declared a hero among the savage leftist commie beasts in the democrat party.
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First: You have no ****ing clue who the whistleblower is.
Second: We have an ICIG, nominated to the position by Trump, who determined the complaint was a urgent concern that needed to go to the intelligence committee.
 
marke said:
You should know by now that Rod Rosenstein has proved the Justice Department does not release anything it considers to be of national security interest to keep under wraps. Did you fail to follow the fighting between Congress and Rosenstein over the release of documents related to the FISA abuses which gave us the failed Russian investigation?
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Rosestein resigned from Justice May 11, 2019. It’s now entirely run by a partisan, Mr. Barr.

It’s not up to the Justice Department to decide. The federal law specifically says, the D.N.I. “shall” deliver an inspector general’s report about an “urgent concern” to Congress within a week of receiving it. It should never have gone to Justice at all.

This is merely one more example in a stream of examples of the coverup of Trump crimes.
 
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Dans La Lune said:
The Whistleblower suggests that Trump is a threat to national security because he made a promise to a foreign leader about a matter of 'urgent concern'. We will learn about this, and I don't expect the nature of the promise, and who the promise was made to, will benefit Trump.

Here's is Cenk's TYT commentary:




And from Talking Points Memo:

The Whistleblower Complaint Is About Trump | Talking Points Memo
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Trump has done less to endanger our national security than his two most recent predecessors. It's not even close.
 
iguanaman said:
Corruption under Russian influence is what caused the coup and Putin has been angling to get Ukraine back ever since. Trump is apparently helping. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son in Ukraine. Trump is trying to get them to make stuff up in exchange for aid and that is criminal. It does settle the question of whether Trump is afraid of facing Biden in 2020 though. He knows he is toast if Biden is the candidate.
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Let's get the story correct. Russia wanted no war with Ukraine. If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine
they would be on the Dneiper River within a week & be at Lviv the real heartland
of the coup within a fortnight. Russia merely aided the 3 eastern provinces.

We should temper our position with Russia. Dealing with Russia is always tricky.
Russia is too big to be ignored, and too strong to be lectured to with any hope of results.


'In the last legitimate Ukie election the 3 Provinces that revolted voted for the Russian leaning candidate accordingly:
Crimea Yanukovich 78.24% Tymoshenko 17.31%
Donetsk region Yanukovich 90.44% Tymoshenko 6.45%
Luhansk region Yanukovich 88.96% Tymoshenko 7.72%
 
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HAL9000 said:
First: You have no ****ing clue who the whistleblower is.
Second: We have an ICIG, nominated to the position by Trump, who determined the complaint was a urgent concern that needed to go to the intelligence committee.
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Nobody knows who the Trump-hating whistleblower is but we do know that out of dozens of INS staffers privy to the same information he had he is the only one who had a problem with it to the point that he conspired with House democrats to leak his complaints to the press for the leftists in the press to make dummass lying hay out of.

The DOJ knows how to handle complaints that a few disgruntled employees think are serious and should be aired in public.
 
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marke said:
Nobody knows who the Trump-hating whistleblower is but we do know that out of dozens of INS staffers privy to the same information he had he is the only one who had a problem with it to the point that he conspired with House democrats to leak his complaints to the press for the leftists in the press to make dummass lying hay out of.
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And why only him?
 
Dans La Lune said:
The Whistleblower suggests that Trump is a threat to national security because he made a promise to a foreign leader about a matter of 'urgent concern'. We will learn about this, and I don't expect the nature of the promise, and who the promise was made to, will benefit Trump.

Here's is Cenk's TYT commentary:

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Just another example of the Left's hysteria hamster wheel.

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MTAtech said:
Rosestein resigned from Justice May 11, 2019. It’s now entirely run by a partisan, Mr. Barr.
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Leftist weenies think Rosenstein was unbiased and Barr is not. The weenies are wrong. Rosenstein was biased and Barr is not.

It’s not up to the Justice Department to decide. The federal law specifically says, the D.N.I. “shall” deliver an inspector general’s report about an “urgent concern” to Congress within a week of receiving it. It should never have gone to Justice at all.
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There was disagreement between officials at DNI and those in charge called the shots in the end. leftists do not like the way American government works. Even Obama did not like being cooped up under congressional restraints which is why he declared he could do as he pleased without congressional approval as long as he had a pen and a phone. And if he needed to borrow a phone Hillary could have loaned him one of hers before she had her staffers smash them to bits to keep Congress from getting the emails they had subpoenaed.

This is merely one more example in a stream of examples of the coverup of Trump crimes.
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Leftists claim Trump has committed a crime here even though their evidence is lacking and would be laughed out of court if presented to back up their false allegations.
 
GDViking said:
And the only thing that tired old story has that makes it appear even a little suspect is it was caught on an open Mike, when Obama would have said it publicly if needed. Here was nothing nefarious about the comment...
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Other than it wasn't in a direct public statement to the Russian, so no there it nothing nefarious about it. Just why did Barry take that opportunity to give the Russian an inside story?
 
marke said:
Nobody knows who the Trump-hating whistleblower is but we do know that out of dozens of INS staffers privy to the same information he had he is the only one who had a problem with it to the point that he conspired with House democrats to leak his complaints to the press for the leftists in the press to make dummass lying hay out of.

The DOJ knows how to handle complaints that a few disgruntled employees think are serious and should be aired in public.
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The ICIG considered the complaint urgent. Do you think the Trump nominated ICIG is a Trump hater?

It's not easy to be a whistleblower. You're, at minimum, putting your livelihood and career on the line. I'd take the time to tell you about my situation, but you probably don't care about my problems.

The reason the intelligence community has whistleblower protection laws, is so that the whistleblower can file their complaint, while confidential information remains protected. So that they aren't compelled to leak information through inappropriate channels. This is the first time in history that, after an ICIG determines that a complaint is urgent, that it hasn't been forwarded to the Intel Committee. Even though, in some prior instances, after investigation, the committee determined that the complaint wasn't urgent after all. It's not up to the DNI, the DOJ, or the White House to make that decision.
 
Dans La Lune said:
The Whistleblower suggests that Trump is a threat to national security because he made a promise to a foreign leader about a matter of 'urgent concern'. We will learn about this, and I don't expect the nature of the promise, and who the promise was made to, will benefit Trump.

Here's is Cenk's TYT commentary:
~snipped the nonsense


And from Talking Points Memo:

The Whistleblower Complaint Is About Trump | Talking Points Memo
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Lucky you!! There are about a million threads on this nonsense topic. I randomly picked your's to inject a bit of reason into. You are welcome.

Despite the paucity of facts, some reasonable observations and conclusions can be drawn:

1. It appears that an American spy in one of our intelligence agencies may have been spying on our own president. The complaint suggests that this intel agent was secretly listening in on Trump’s conversation with a foreign leader. Was this person officially asked to listen to the conversation or was he or she secretly listening in? We don’t know.

2. This agent, who is an unelected and inferior federal employee in the government hierarchy, apparently believes that it is his/her job to second-guess the motivation behind the words of the elected president, who is the most superior officer in the U.S. government.

3. Article II of the Constitution gives the president sweeping power to conduct foreign affairs, negotiate with leaders of other nations, make demands or offer promises. The Constitution does not grant the power of review, approval or disapproval to spies or other unelected officials in the executive branch.

4. The ICWPA law defines the parameters of an “urgent concern” complaint as an abuse or violation of law “relating to the funding, administration, or operations of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters.” The president’s conversation with a foreign leader does not seem to fall under this whistleblower definition.

5. It appears the acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) agrees with this assessment. His agency’s general counsel wrote a letter stating the complaint did not meet the ICWPA definition because it involved conduct “from someone outside the intel community and did not relate to intelligence activity”, according to a report by Fox News. This is why the DNI refused to forward the complaint to congress.

To put this in plain language, a spy who allegedly spied on the president does not have a legitimate whistleblower complaint against that president under the law. The ICWPA is a mechanism to report alleged misconduct by members within the intelligence community, of which the president is not. Yes, the alphabet soup of intel agencies ultimately report to the president, but that does not make Trump a member of that community and subject to its rules of conduct.

So, it turns out that the “whistleblower” may not be a whistleblower at all. But you will not hear that from the mainstream media. They are too busy lighting their own hair on fire.

The Whistleblower May Not Be A Whistleblower At All - Gregg Jarrett
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Okay. Back to your previously scheduled witch hunt...
 
slick said:
Let's get the story correct. Russia wanted no war with Ukraine. If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine
they would be on the Dneiper River within a week & be at Lviv the real heartland
of the coup within a fortnight. Russia merely aided the 3 eastern provinces.

We should temper our position with Russia. Dealing with Russia is always tricky.
Russia is too big to be ignored, and too strong to be lectured to with any hope of results.


'In the last legitimate Ukie election the 3 Provinces that revolted voted for the Russian leaning candidate accordingly:
Crimea Yanukovich 78.24% Tymoshenko 17.31%
Donetsk region Yanukovich 90.44% Tymoshenko 6.45%
Luhansk region Yanukovich 88.96% Tymoshenko 7.72%
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I'm tired of appeasing Putin. He's a murderous little thug and Russia has the GDP of Spain. Comprehensive sanctions on Russia will deal with him correctly. He is abandoning Russia and spending billions on Doomsday machines instead of his own people. It cannot continue. Putin must go will be our rallying cry to the world once Trump is gone.

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smallvoice said:
Other than it wasn't in a direct public statement to the Russian, so no there it nothing nefarious about it. Just why did Barry take that opportunity to give the Russian an inside story?
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Stating the obvious is not an "inside story".
 
marke said:
Leftist weenies think Rosenstein was unbiased and Barr is not. The weenies are wrong. Rosenstein was biased and Barr is not.



There was disagreement between officials at DNI and those in charge called the shots in the end. leftists do not like the way American government works. Even Obama did not like being cooped up under congressional restraints which is why he declared he could do as he pleased without congressional approval as long as he had a pen and a phone. And if he needed to borrow a phone Hillary could have loaned him one of hers before she had her staffers smash them to bits to keep Congress from getting the emails they had subpoenaed.



Leftists claim Trump has committed a crime here even though their evidence is lacking and would be laughed out of court if presented to back up their false allegations.
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The ones “calling the shots” was Congress, who passed a law stating that the report shall be delivered to Congress within a week. The Administration is breaking the law and you are fine with that.

Claiming that Barr is unbiased violates reasonable sensibilities.
 
Fishking said:
Trump has done less to endanger our national security than his two most recent predecessors. It's not even close.
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Neither are you on that one.

Trump is handing USA national sovereignty to Russia and Putin.

And the Rowers are hauling away at the maximum beat.
 
Tangmo said:
Neither are you on that one.

Trump is handing USA national sovereignty to Russia and Putin.

And the Rowers are hauling away at the maximum beat.
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Oh my...didn't you get the memo? The Mueller report was finished and published. Big nothing burger. Time to move one from that tired old trope that most rational people knew was BS from the beginning.
 
slick said:
Let's get the story correct. Russia wanted no war with Ukraine. If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine
they would be on the Dneiper River within a week & be at Lviv the real heartland
of the coup within a fortnight. Russia merely aided the 3 eastern provinces.

We should temper our position with Russia. Dealing with Russia is always tricky.
Russia is too big to be ignored, and too strong to be lectured to with any hope of results.


'In the last legitimate Ukie election the 3 Provinces that revolted voted for the Russian leaning candidate accordingly:
Crimea Yanukovich 78.24% Tymoshenko 17.31%
Donetsk region Yanukovich 90.44% Tymoshenko 6.45%
Luhansk region Yanukovich 88.96% Tymoshenko 7.72%
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Russia collapsed in 1917 and it collapsed in 1991. It's getting to be a habit over there.
 
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