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[W:369]Kavanaugh accused of more unwanted sexual contact by former classmate

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Renae said:
No, it is a smear price for a political agenda. There isn't a Magic Bullet Witness just WAITING to be heard out there. Kavanaugh isn't the horrible man you are told to believe he is, just like Clarence Thomas he was wrongfully attacked, and his reputation sullied. Because both these men have the audacity to not be progressive jurist.
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We may never know because Trump ordered an investigation that was hasty and incomplete and thus a disservice to everyone.
 
Jay59 said:
They were addresses. He was confirmed. You concerns were answered.
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Very early on in the questioning Kavanaugh mentioned that he and his friends like to do a little gambling on the games. Nobody thought this was a red flag, nobody questioned it When asked about his debts he said they were the result of buying season tickets for friends. Nobody asked where the money came from that made the debt suddenly disappear. The debt payment was never investigated. Nobody asked why he was buying season tickets for 30 to 50 friends (depending on seat location) Nobody contacted any of the friends. There was no investigation. His acceptance of money was never questioned. This was not addressed. Ramming through a confirmation does not confer honesty on the man.
 
Superfly said:
Because he was buried in debt, and easily bought.
That’s it in a nutshell.
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Stop spouting that lie ... or come up with some evidence.

His debt was disclosed as between $60,000 and $200,000, because exact numbers were not given.

So, you're saying the man was bought for $60,000? :lamo
 
Superfly said:
I’m surprised we haven’t seen the ROI yet.
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That's what worries me. It isn't the conservative Christian anti-gay, anti-abortion crowd that has the money to buy a SC justice. Anyway those are just the hot button issues that keep the masses active and voting. They are not the real focus of the Republicans at the top and the contributors that support them.
 
weaver2 said:
Very early on in the questioning Kavanaugh mentioned that he and his friends like to do a little gambling on the games. Nobody thought this was a red flag, nobody questioned it When asked about his debts he said they were the result of buying season tickets for friends. Nobody asked where the money came from that made the debt suddenly disappear. The debt payment was never investigated. Nobody asked why he was buying season tickets for 30 to 50 friends (depending on seat location) Nobody contacted any of the friends. There was no investigation. His acceptance of money was never questioned. This was not addressed. Ramming through a confirmation does not confer honesty on the man.
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There was a list of examinations. He was confirmed. Your points have been answered.
 
haymarket said:
We may never know because Trump ordered an investigation that was hasty and incomplete and thus a disservice to everyone.
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What the fudge ever hoss. You don't care about the truth, you care about the political hay you can toss and be smarmy about. So what if this good, honorable man's reputation is tarnished, what do you care? The political "gain" you get in pushing this absurd narrative is worth far more to you than honesty, justice, facts. It's a sad commentary that people like yourself, feel like your actions are justifiable, and that others defend such disreputable behavior.
 
haymarket said:
The book which is published today has accounts of many witnesses who came forth but were never interviewed by the FBI during their so called "investigation'. There was lots of potential there for lots of the things you listed to be provided. But the interviews were never held.
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Lets hope these "many witnesses" are named ??
 
weaver2 said:
That's what worries me. It isn't the conservative Christian anti-gay, anti-abortion crowd that has the money to buy a SC justice. Anyway those are just the hot button issues that keep the masses active and voting. They are not the real focus of the Republicans at the top and the contributors that support them.
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Nope. It’s that top 1% of the top 1%.

They can afford to pay off his $1.2 million dollar mortgage. They can afford to pay off $200,000 in student loan debt. They can afford to pay off $95,000 in country club dues, tens of thousands in credit card debt.

This is not for the lower income end of the Republican Party. They just believe what they are told.
 
weaver2 said:
Kavanaugh's views on gay rights and abortion cannot be determined at this time. Democrats object to his appointment on the grounds that he is political hack with questionable ethics on the separation of church and state, the rights of corporations and presidential power to over-ride Congress.
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none of which is a valid ground to prevent him from being seated. RBG was clearly a political hack who was on the extreme side of the most divisive issue in America at the time
 
Threegoofs said:
Weird... because I remember how you always harped on Obama not being a good student and having bad grades... but he got into a better law school and was not only on the Harvard Law Review, but actually led it, which is generally considered the top position at Harvard Law.

I’m beginning to doubt your objectivity. And your supposed education, TBH.
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I never said Obama didn't earn his position on the HLR-=I just doubted he would have been accepted into Harvard but for his race. Harvard is not the best law school. It's generally ranked #2. It also has three times as many seats as Yale does, so Yale Law is much tougher to get into
 
Superfly said:
My sister literally ended all her correspondence with me with “All aboard the Trump Train! Choo choooooo!” Needless to say, she was a big fan, and excused everything he did.

When Trump got on stage alongside Kavanaugh and his family, and apologized for how Kavanaugh had been treated, she lost it. She said that that was it for her.

Eventually, most everyone has a breaking point. Everyone.
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So you guys are talking again now?

My family has issues, because of the current politics. It’s really hard core and seems a matter of bigotry to some degree. I wonder about other people and their families, and how common it is
 
Renae said:
What the fudge ever hoss. You don't care about the truth, you care about the political hay you can toss and be smarmy about. So what if this good, honorable man's reputation is tarnished, what do you care? The political "gain" you get in pushing this absurd narrative is worth far more to you than honesty, justice, facts. It's a sad commentary that people like yourself, feel like your actions are justifiable, and that others defend such disreputable behavior.
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You can attack me all you want but in the end it still comes down to Trump ordering a speedy half assed faux investigation that will forever be a disservice to everyone involved.... except himself ... which is the only person he cares about anyways.

There was no honesty nor justice in the process.
 
hanger4 said:
Lets hope these "many witnesses" are named ??
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I expect to pick up the book later this week and will find out.

Why is it important to have them named?
 
SheWolf said:
Very true.

It’s very crazy that it wasn’t the first time a male nominee was accused of sexual misconduct, and it wasn’t taken seriously. It’s very sad. I hope future investigations will be handled correctly. I am not for violating anybody’s rights or destroy anybody’s reputation based on rumors. Posters like TD have nothing to stand on when he trashes Ford without proof. I just wish these situations were handled better, and with proper investigations.
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No proof?

She lied about the two doors

she lied about her fear of flying

everyone she claimed was at the party denied it

she couldn't remember how she got to the party or more importantly, how she got home
 
SheWolf said:
So you guys are talking again now?

My family has issues, because of the current politics. It’s really hard core and seems a matter of bigotry to some degree. I wonder about other people and their families, and how common it is
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Yep. We’ve been talking for about a year or more. She kept trying to talk to me, and I figured I’d held on to that grudge long enough. :lol:
 
weaver2 said:
Very early on in the questioning Kavanaugh mentioned that he and his friends like to do a little gambling on the games. Nobody thought this was a red flag, nobody questioned it When asked about his debts he said they were the result of buying season tickets for friends. Nobody asked where the money came from that made the debt suddenly disappear. The debt payment was never investigated. Nobody asked why he was buying season tickets for 30 to 50 friends (depending on seat location) Nobody contacted any of the friends. There was no investigation. His acceptance of money was never questioned. This was not addressed. Ramming through a confirmation does not confer honesty on the man.
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He has been confirmed. You are answered.

If this was such a big deal, why do you only bring it up when it's too late? There are time limits precisely to prevent the endless presentation of new complaints.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I never said Obama didn't earn his position on the HLR-=I just doubted he would have been accepted into Harvard but for his race. Harvard is not the best law school. It's generally ranked #2. It also has three times as many seats as Yale does, so Yale Law is much tougher to get into
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:lol:
 
Lutherf said:
How, exactly, is one supposed to prepare for cases where stories of their past are made up from whole cloth by political hit squads?
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When will you stop beating your wife?

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See? I can ask stupid questions too! ;)
 
Phys251 said:
When will you stop beating your wife?

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See? I can ask stupid questions too! ;)
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True, but are you smart enough to answer them?
 
haymarket said:
I expect to pick up the book later this week and will find out.

Why is it important to have them named?
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Why named, seriously ?? If not then they're just anonymous sources. Without names their stories can't be validated.
 
weaver2 said:
That's what worries me. It isn't the conservative Christian anti-gay, anti-abortion crowd that has the money to buy a SC justice. Anyway those are just the hot button issues that keep the masses active and voting. They are not the real focus of the Republicans at the top and the contributors that support them.
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I have seen polls that growing support of socialism and a move away from free trade is growing in the non wealthy GOP base. In some ways, it not surprising. Trump promised a wall, mass deportations, and to attack legal immigration, but he also promised to not touch SSN or Medicare, and better healthcare for everybody. The legacy of the welfare queen, minority moochers and parasites is still alive and well in the GOP. They are willing to move away from their traditional economic values because things are not as easy as they used to be, but they are still worried about those damn takers and moochers.

FDR once said, “the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.”

I would agree with FDR to a certain point. Private power is definitely influencing every aspect of our political system. Dark money is even influencing the Supreme Court. It’s very concerning. Even Trump ran on being impossible to influence with donor money.

However, I question, to what extent, private power triggers a fascist take over. I agree with his definition of fascism. But Fascism is often triggered and propelled by a disenfranchised and mislead population. History shows that average, alienated, and disenfranchised people living under such political structures often look to fascism and fascist leaders. They want to disrupt the established political order, because they recognize the established order does not listen or care about them.

“…Fascism is not merely the expression of a particular movement, of a particular party within modern society, but it is the most complete expression of the whole tendency of modern capitalism in decay….”
R. Palme Dutt’s book titled Fascism and the Social Revolution
 
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Superfly said:
Have you? Other than talking about difficult it is to get into Yale Law School?

It’d be funny if it wasn’t so transparent.

Oh wait - it is funny.
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The Trump hating crowd is upset that Trump won and many of them complain about anything he does. Appointing Kavanaugh being front and center. Some complain that Kavanaugh was "not qualified" even though being an editor on the Yale Law Journal is a top drawer credential. Those who actually went to big name law schools will confirm that.Yale is the most selective law school in the USA. And then being chosen as an editor of its Law Journal is a very prestigious event.
 
TurtleDude said:
The Trump hating crowd is upset that Trump won and many of them complain about anything he does. Appointing Kavanaugh being front and center. Some complain that Kavanaugh was "not qualified" even though being an editor on the Yale Law Journal is a top drawer credential. Those who actually went to big name law schools will confirm that.Yale is the most selective law school in the USA. And then being chosen as an editor of its Law Journal is a very prestigious event.
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Say Yale again. You’ve not reached your quota for the day.
 
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