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[W:369]Kavanaugh accused of more unwanted sexual contact by former classmate

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tres borrachos said:
Clinton was impeached. Why did you ignore the topic of the thread and go right to a whataboutism in the 2nd post? Weak and pathetic.
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Ok. Clinton was impeached, but he wasn't found guilty thanks to the Democratic side of the aisle.

On the issue of "whataboutism". I sometimes wish others would do their homework before flapping their gums against the wind. It's a legitimate tool in some cases. If I was making an argument against the person making the first post in this thread the charge of Tu quoque (or whataboutism) might apply. I wasn't attacking an argument since none was given.

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Christian Christensen, Professor of Journalism in Stockholm, argues that the accusation of whataboutism is itself a form of tu quoque fallacy, as it dismisses criticisms of one's own behavior to focus instead on the actions of another, thus creating a double standard. Those who use whataboutism are not necessarily engaging in an empty or cynical deflection of responsibility: whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.

Your choice to attack me is weak and pathetic.
 
Overitall said:
Ok. Clinton was impeached, but he wasn't found guilty thanks to the Democratic side of the aisle.

On the issue of "whataboutism". I sometimes wish others would do their homework before flapping their gums against the wind. It's a legitimate tool in some cases. If I was making an argument against the person making the first post in this thread the charge of Tu quoque (or whataboutism) might apply. I wasn't attacking an argument since none was given.

Gotta love the uber-intellectual reply that any valid criticism of European regu... | Hacker News
Christian Christensen, Professor of Journalism in Stockholm, argues that the accusation of whataboutism is itself a form of tu quoque fallacy, as it dismisses criticisms of one's own behavior to focus instead on the actions of another, thus creating a double standard. Those who use whataboutism are not necessarily engaging in an empty or cynical deflection of responsibility: whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.

Your choice to attack me is weak and pathetic.
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This thread isn't about Clinton. You brought him into it, not anyone else. You should learn how to follow discussions on a message board so you don't wander off topic, as you did here.
 
Josie said:
Did you laugh?

Your link was a list of every single thing Trump has done and labeled them all "human and civil rights" violations. It's ridiculous unless you actually think that Obama violated human rights by building the cages for children on the border and any president who contributed to the border wall is in violation of human rights. Let me guess - Bush, Jr. violated human rights by grounding all airplanes on 9/11, right?

This country is far from being destroyed. You're just buying into the "OMG! We're all gonna die!" mentality because a Republican is in office. When a Democrat is in office doing some of the same things you are calling human right violations, you'll say everything is hunky-dory and your right-wing hyper-partisan paranoid counterparts will be saying the country is going to be destroyed. I, myself, was down that path with the last president and it's moronic, nonsensical, hyperbolic thinking. Stop letting people put asinine thoughts in your head.
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It shouldn’t matter who is in office. It doesn’t matter who the hell builds a cage. Take your whataboutism and shove it. You either care about the rights of others or you don’t, and it’s looking like you don’t care about other people’s rights.

If you walked through a country on foot with your children, and applied for asylum, then found yourself separated from your children, treated like a criminal, and the Trump Administration arguing to detain you indefinitely, then you would feel like your world had came to an end.
 
SheWolf said:
Other people’s rights should mean something to you.
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SheWolf said:
It shouldn’t matter who is in office. It doesn’t matter who the hell builds a cage. Take your whataboutism and shove it. You either care about the rights of others or you don’t, and it’s looking like you don’t care about other people’s rights.

If you walked through a country on foot with your children, and applied for asylum, then found yourself separated from your children, treated like a criminal, and the Trump Administration arguing to detain you indefinitely, then you would feel like your world had came to an end.
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I'm not interested in your hyper-emotional spin on my words. Ta ta.
 
tres borrachos said:
This thread isn't about Clinton. You brought him into it, not anyone else. You should learn how to follow discussions on a message board so you don't wander off topic, as you did here.
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The thread isn't about that poster either.
If he did something reportable do it, and stop with the whiny retorts.
 
tres borrachos said:
This thread isn't about Clinton. You brought him into it, not anyone else. You should learn how to follow discussions on a message board so you don't wander off topic, as you did here.
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I imagine that should I have not brought up Clinton into this discussion someone else would have eventually -- to point out the hypocrisy of the Left. Throughout this thread are many instances of such being done. Sorry if it offends you but calling it as I see it is not poor form. What I am still waiting for is for all those who jumped on the bandwagon to disparage Kavanuagh to say they're sorry for jumping the gun without evidence of wrong-doing. I won't hold my breath.
 
3leftsdoo said:
I'm glad you asked.

I guess it had to come out...

Ruth Bader Ginsburg grabbed my ass in 1935 and stole my peanut butter sandwich.

It was nap time in our kindergarten class, and she was known for being a reckless meanie and poop head.

I wasn't going to say anything, but she's been in the news a lot lately.

Even since this happened, I carry TWO jars of Skippy with me everywhere I go...
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Oh, so you got jokes.

Don’t quit your day job.
 
Overitall said:
Ok. Clinton was impeached, but he wasn't found guilty thanks to the Democratic side of the aisle.

On the issue of "whataboutism". I sometimes wish others would do their homework before flapping their gums against the wind. It's a legitimate tool in some cases. If I was making an argument against the person making the first post in this thread the charge of Tu quoque (or whataboutism) might apply. I wasn't attacking an argument since none was given.

Gotta love the uber-intellectual reply that any valid criticism of European regu... | Hacker News
Christian Christensen, Professor of Journalism in Stockholm, argues that the accusation of whataboutism is itself a form of tu quoque fallacy, as it dismisses criticisms of one's own behavior to focus instead on the actions of another, thus creating a double standard. Those who use whataboutism are not necessarily engaging in an empty or cynical deflection of responsibility: whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.

Your choice to attack me is weak and pathetic.
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There is no rule in the forum that says you can't use a whataboutism.
 
Overitall said:
Those who use whataboutism are not necessarily engaging in an empty or cynical deflection of responsibility: whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.
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Nah, conservatives use "what-about-ism to distract, dismiss, evade and accuse.
 
trixare4kids said:
The thread isn't about that poster either.
If he did something reportable do it, and stop with the whiny retorts.
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I posted to him. Is today the day you come in here to act like mama bear to all the male posters?

And who said he did anything reportable? You sure are angry. Bunions?
 
Josie said:
I'm not interested in your hyper-emotional spin on my words. Ta ta.
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Oh, look. Josie is being catty and trying to control the situation instead of stand up for her beliefs.

I am not surprised you fail to take notice I didn’t defend Obama, and called out your whataboutism. I didn’t see you stand up for other people’s rights anywhere above.

No wonder you previously tried to define America no longer standing for its values as everybody losing their constitutional rights.

You need to learn to value the rights of others.
 
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Overitall said:
I imagine that should I have not brought up Clinton into this discussion someone else would have eventually -- to point out the hypocrisy of the Left. Throughout this thread are many instances of such being done. Sorry if it offends you but calling it as I see it is not poor form. What I am still waiting for is for all those who jumped on the bandwagon to disparage Kavanuagh to say they're sorry for jumping the gun without evidence of wrong-doing. I won't hold my breath.
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Clinton has nothing to do with Kavanaugh, nor is he any more relevant to the discussion than Nixon or Lincoln or Pierce or any other President is - including Trump.
 
3leftsdoo said:
In addition to the other FIVE!!!!!

All that Democrats want is JUSTICE!!!!!!!!

:donkeyfla
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Five, ten, fifteen, forty-seven incomplete investigations which were half assed on orders from the top are meaningless. We simply need ONE thorough and complete investigation without artificial limits or time restraints.
 
weaver2 said:
Nah, conservatives use "what-about-ism to distract, dismiss, evade and accuse.
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Some do. If you care to point out exactly in which post I did that please link to it. I'll consider it.
 
tres borrachos said:
Clinton has nothing to do with Kavanaugh, nor is he any more relevant to the discussion than Nixon or Lincoln or Pierce or any other President is - including Trump.
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Moral outrage over what someone (Kavanugh) did opens the door to consider the example of others. It doesn't excuse Kavanugh of mis-behaving if in fact he did but it does demonstrate a selective moral standard for some. Iow -- the subject really is about upholding moral standards.
 
haymarket said:
Five, ten, fifteen, forty-seven incomplete investigations which were half assed on orders from the top are meaningless. We simply need ONE thorough and complete investigation without artificial limits or time restraints.
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Then you need to come up with something better than unsubstantiated and uncorroborated allegations from a random person who claims to have seen something at a drunken frat party in 1983. The FBI doesn’t exist to investigate 36 year old college rumors with no supporting evidence. There is nothing to investigate.
 
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Overitall said:
Moral outrage over what someone (Kavanugh) did opens the door to consider the example of others. It doesn't excuse Kavanugh of mis-behaving if in fact he did but it does demonstrate a selective moral standard for some. Iow -- the subject really is about upholding moral standards.
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I'm not morally outraged over what Kavanaugh is accused of doing And the discussion about him still has zero to do with Clinton.
 
haymarket said:
Five, ten, fifteen, forty-seven incomplete investigations which were half assed on orders from the top are meaningless. We simply need ONE thorough and complete investigation without artificial limits or time restraints.
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Just ONE (more) investigation!!!!!!!!

Until the >truth< is revealed!!!!!!

Is that so unreasonable?????

:donkeyfla
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm not morally outraged over what Kavanaugh is accused of doing And the discussion about him still has zero to do with Clinton.
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Ok. I accept that my point went over your head. Now can you get back to attacking Kavanough?
 
Napoleon said:
Then you need to come up with something better than unsubstantiated and uncorroborated allegations from a random person who claims to have seen something at a drunken frat party in 1983. The FBI doesn’t exist to investigate 36 year old college rumors with no supporting evidence. There is nothing to investigate.
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It is disingenuous to make it sound like there was but one report when there were several.
 
Isn't it going to be hilarious when the next Democrat is accused of sexual harassment/assault and the Democrats here clutching their pearls about whataboutism won't be able to stop bringing up Trump and Kavanaugh? Gotta love debating politics.
 
Questions about whether Kavanaugh assaulted women or not, or was a political hack or not, or whether his judgements are intelligent or not or whether his political bent is too far right or left are irrelevant in comparison to the most essential question of all.

Why did all of Kavanaugh's considerable debts magically disappear just before his nomination? It's not magic when a $260,000 debt, country club dues and a mortgage exist one day and not the next. Someone did something to make that happen. Who did it and why?

Nothing else matters until that is explained.
 
weaver2 said:
Questions about whether Kavanaugh assaulted women or not, or was a political hack or not, or whether his judgements are intelligent or not or whether his political bent is too far right or left are irrelevant in comparison to the most essential question of all.

Why did all of Kavanaugh's considerable debts magically disappear just before his nomination? It's not magic when a $260,000 debt, country club dues and a mortgage exist one day and not the next. Someone did something to make that happen. Who did it and why?

Nothing else matters until that is explained.
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:popcorn2:
 
haymarket said:
It is disingenuous to make it sound like there was but one report when there were several.
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It is disingenuous to imply that there is anything for the FBI to investigate. It’s just more of the same. Random people make claims about events alleged to have taken place 36 years ago and have zero evidence to support their accusations.
 
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