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[W:369]Kavanaugh accused of more unwanted sexual contact by former classmate

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Josie said:
Nothing in particular?

You say you're afraid that America will become a country that has lost what it stands for, but you can't think of anything specific about how that would happen, what it would look like, what events would take place to bring that about? Strange.

Fine. I'll start with one specific event:

Would you say that losing individual freedoms that are now protected by the Constitution would be a step in that direction?
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Saying I am concerned verses making Apocalyptic predictions as if it’s inevitable, and I know how it’s going to happen, are two separate issues. You started off trying to tell me that tribalism, partisanship, and corruption are normal, as if everything is just normal. Then you wrote something about people following their own Jim Jones. Is that normal? Because I would say you sounded concerned in that post.

It really looks like you’re trying to play a game with your comments. I don’t profess to know the future, nor am I paranoid about America being a post Apocalyptical dystopia like Jones or one of his followers.
 
SheWolf said:
Saying I am concerned verses making Apocalyptic predictions as if it’s inevitable, and I know how it’s going to happen, are two separate issues. You started off trying to tell me that tribalism, partisanship, and corruption are normal, as if everything is just normal. Then you wrote something about people following their own Jim Jones. Is that normal? Because I would say you sounded concerned in that post.

It really looks like you’re trying to play a game with your comments. I don’t profess to know the future, nor am I paranoid about America being a post Apocalyptical dystopia like Jones or one of his followers.
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I never said I wasn't concerned about the future of our country. You, however, took it to another level by saying:

I do hope America figures this out. If not, the country and all it claims to stand for will be lost.
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So let's discuss what would events might happen to bring about this extreme result. For example:

Would you say that losing individual freedoms that are now protected by the Constitution would be a step in that direction?

I say yes. What about you?

Now you give me one.
 
Phys251 said:
Kavanaugh accused of more unwanted sexual contact by former classmate: report | TheHill



This latest bombshell is yet another reason why this guy should have been vetted better. Everyone knew the one-week FBI "investigation" was a sham.

It will not surprise me if more survivors come out against Rapey McRapeface.
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How does it feel to know there was NO bomshell? The only bomb was what backfired on The NYT and their lemmings.

Have a lovely day contemplating what this means for the presidential Democrats who all rushed to judgment, yet once again...
 
Josie said:
I never said I wasn't concerned about the future of our country. You, however, took it to another level by saying:



So let's discuss what would events might happen to bring about this extreme result. For example:

Would you say that losing individual freedoms that are now protected by the Constitution would be a step in that direction?

I say yes. What about you?

Now you give me one.
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America has already shifted on its values. I explained this when I talked about the asylum issue, and the popular appeal to government authority in this country. America is already changing. If people are going to lose constitutionally protected rights, it’s not going to be every single citizen. It would be s group of people deemed a threat, and people wanting to violate such rights would convince themselves that the targeted group is not protected.
 
SheWolf said:
America has already shifted on its values. I explained this when I talked about the asylum issue, and the popular appeal to government authority in this country. America is already changing. If people are going to lose constitutionally protected rights, it’s not going to be every single citizen. It would be s group of people deemed a threat, and people wanting to violate such rights would convince themselves that the targeted group is not protected.
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But if every single citizen did lose a Constitutionally protected right, it would be a sign that America and all it stands for has been "lost". Agreed?

And since you think that won't happen, what DO you fear might happen to bring about your statement: If not, the country and all it claims to stand for will be lost. Give me an example.
 
Phys251 said:
Asked and answered. :)

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...nt-recall-alleged-assault.html#post1070607392
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You didn't link to your post but you only posted twice, so I will assume that this is your answer.

Phys251 said:
There were so many lies and distortions against Kavanaugh's accusers during the confirmation hearings that any attack on one of his accusers must be treated as a boy-who-cries-wolf story. And it's not like the NYT has much credibility any more, either. So I decided to do what anyone should do and look at the text myself.

Trump slams New York Times on new Brett Kavanaugh accusation

The important quote is:



Get that? It is not the alleged victim herself who claims not to recall the incident. It is her "friends" who are supposedly claiming that she doesn't recall it.

This does not mean that the newest allegation is false. With their latest example of poor reporting, the NYT is effectively making an unclear, emerging story even less clear. :doh
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It does not appear that you actually read the Time's correction or there is no way you would have written the above...

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Josie said:
But if every single citizen did lose a Constitutionally protected right, it would be a sign that America and all it stands for has been "lost". Agreed?

And since you think that won't happen, what DO you fear might happen to bring about your statement: If not, the country and all it claims to stand for will be lost. Give me an example.
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I have already tried to explain this to you. In undemocratic and many Third World countries countries, corruption is a massive problem. It’s rampant. The government serves only the powerful. They get away with committing crimes. Government departments are all politicized. It’s all about keeping the powerful powerful. They tell the people they are free. The country is great. The leader is the most powerful.

They are mostly not informed people, and have little power or control. These leaders often blame an enemy group within. It’s the politics of scapegoating.

I think the corruption and partisanship in America is a real threat. More concerning, there are too many people not even recognizing it. I don’t want both parties to become massively corrupt and partisan. I also think it’s dangerous that people don’t agree on what is fact anymore.

Again, it’s a concern not a doomsday prediction.
 
Oh look, who would have though Kavanaugh's questionable history would rear its ugly head again.

This is what happens when you rush through questionable ideologues.
 
Aberration said:
That’s what we said for 8 years during Obama. Buckle up. We intend to make sure you learn a lesson. ;)
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What did Obama ever do to you to make you so bitter that you feel the need for revenge?
 
SheWolf said:
I have already tried to explain this to you. In undemocratic and many Third World countries countries, corruption is a massive problem. It’s rampant. The government serves only the powerful. They get away with committing crimes. Government departments are all politicized. It’s all about keeping the powerful powerful. They tell the people they are free. The country is great. The leader is the most powerful.

They are mostly not informed people, and have little power or control. These leaders often blame an enemy group within. It’s the politics of scapegoating.

I think the corruption and partisanship in America is a real threat. More concerning, there are too many people not even recognizing it. I don’t want both parties to become massively corrupt and partisan. I also think it’s dangerous that people don’t agree on what is fact anymore.

Again, it’s a concern not a doomsday prediction.
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We agree on all of that. And I would add in what I said before -- the tribalist, biased, brainwashing media is a huge problem in this country. Don't you think?

Now what about this:

But if every single citizen did lose a Constitutionally protected right, it would be a sign that America and all it stands for has been "lost". Agreed?
 
SheWolf said:
Saying I am concerned verses making Apocalyptic predictions as if it’s inevitable, and I know how it’s going to happen, are two separate issues. You started off trying to tell me that tribalism, partisanship, and corruption are normal, as if everything is just normal. Then you wrote something about people following their own Jim Jones. Is that normal? Because I would say you sounded concerned in that post.

It really looks like you’re trying to play a game with your comments. I don’t profess to know the future, nor am I paranoid about America being a post Apocalyptical dystopia like Jones or one of his followers.
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do you think that people who legally own AR style rifles-maybe for decades, and have never misuse them, should have to worry about keeping them when pimps try to pander to the hateful by calling for confiscations?
 
Moot said:
What did Obama ever do to you to make you so bitter that you feel the need for revenge?
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I'd ask what people said about Obama that justifies the constant TDS
 
Josie said:
We agree on all of that. And I would add in what I said before -- the tribalist, biased, brainwashing media is a huge problem in this country. Don't you think?

Now what about this:

But if every single citizen did lose a Constitutionally protected right, it would be a sign that America and all it stands for has been "lost". Agreed?
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I know you keep asking me that, but I highly doubt that would happen in this climate. I explained, certain groups of people are only vulnerable to lose rights, unless Americans are gaslighted enough and give up their own rights based on fear. The strategy of conquer and divide is more successful. Americans have already shown they willing to make compromises for certain groups.
 
SheWolf said:
I know you keep asking me that, but I highly doubt that would happen in this climate. I explained, certain groups of people are only vulnerable to lose rights, unless Americans are gaslighted enough and give up their own rights based on fear. The strategy of conquer and divide is more successful. Americans have already shown they willing to make compromises for certain groups.
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I wasn't asking if you think it would happen - you already said it wouldn't. I'm asking you if it DOES happen at some point, would that be a sign that America has lost what it stands for? I'm not sure why you keep dodging the question.
 
Josie said:
I wasn't asking if you think it would happen - you already said it wouldn't. I'm asking you if it DOES happen at some point, would that be a sign that America has lost what it stands for? I'm not sure why you keep dodging the question.
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It’s an obvious answer. If every American citizen lost their constitutional rights, then yes, America would stand for something it doesn’t currently stand for
 
TurtleDude said:
I'd ask what people said about Obama that justifies the constant TDS
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I asked first.

What did Obama do to Trump to make him so bitter that he would the destroy the country just to spite Obama?
 
Moot said:
I asked first.

What did Obama do to Trump to make him so bitter that he would the destroy the country just to spite Obama?
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that is a stupid question that assumes facts not in evidence. but I do believe that the TDS crowd hopes for a massive recession because right now, unless that happens, they are going to get another Trump term.
 
SheWolf said:
It’s an obvious answer. If every American citizen lost their constitutional rights, then yes, America would stand for something it doesn’t currently stand for
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Phew. Finally.
 
Moot said:
I asked first.

What did Obama do to Trump to make him so bitter that he would the destroy the country just to spite Obama?
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Is America destroyed?
 
DiAnna said:
Good post overall, but I tend to question the final sentence. Are you perchance referring to his "personality change" when he returned to the hearing from lunch, when he went from fairly self-controlled professional to wild, tantrum-throwing asshole, showing a temperament that nobody (except Trump) should want as a Supreme Court judge? That may or may not indicate a personality change caused by alcohol, but it could also be caused by a phone call from the WH urging Kavanaugh to be more combative, because Trumps likes that style.

Either way, I wish he hadn't been confirmed and suspect that at some point in the years to come a legitimate impeachment based on hard, irrefutable evidence may be on Kavanaugh's horizon.
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Yes, the last sentence is just speculations on my part based on observations of 3 alcoholics I've known. It was not based on his personality change after lunch.

I believe someone said he was coached to turn aggressive. That's a problem: either his own self awareness and ethical code are so weak that he can be coached to act out of character or he was coached to act more like his actual character in which case his performance prior to the outburst has been out of character and he really is crude, temperamental and immature. Either indicate someone with a personal character unsuited to the SC.

It is my belief that the committee members, both Republican and Democratic knew Kavanaugh was an unacceptable candidate, which was why the Republicans denied access to the major portions of Kavanaugh's activities and communications. Because there was no evidence of unsuitability the only way to deny him the nomination was to drag in his sexual exploits.

I believe that the man is unsuited and like you I think that "at some point in the years to come a legitimate impeachment based on hard irrefutable evidence" will arise. Never mind the sexual exploits; the man is just not SC material.
 
weaver2 said:
Yes, the last sentence is just speculations on my part based on observations of 3 alcoholics I've known. It was not based on his personality change after lunch.

I believe someone said he was coached to turn aggressive. That's a problem: either his own self awareness and ethical code are so weak that he can be coached to act out of character or he was coached to act more like his actual character in which case his performance prior to the outburst has been out of character and he really is crude, temperamental and immature. Either indicate someone with a personal character unsuited to the SC.

It is my belief that the committee members, both Republican and Democratic knew Kavanaugh was an unacceptable candidate, which was why the Republicans denied access to the major portions of Kavanaugh's activities and communications. Because there was no evidence of unsuitability the only way to deny him the nomination was to drag in his sexual exploits.

I believe that the man is unsuited and like you I think that "at some point in the years to come a legitimate impeachment based on hard irrefutable evidence" will arise. Never mind the sexual exploits; the man is just not SC material.
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can you cite to any evidence in Kavanaugh's service as a judge that even remotely suggests he is not qualified?
 
Josie said:
Is America destroyed?
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With all the human and civil rights and environmental protection roll backs...and the attacks on democratic institutions and loss of credibility on a global scale....it's well on it's way to total destruction.
 
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