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[W:369]Kavanaugh accused of more unwanted sexual contact by former classmate

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Moot said:
Kavanaugh was a legacy student. If I recall, he graduated from Yale with a BA cum lade in history. So 40% of history students got A's, huh?

If the FBI had been allowed to do their job and properly investigate Ford's allegations, it's unlikely that we would need to keep revisiting the issue.
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Theres a strong possibly that if the fbi thoroughly investigated her claims she would be in prison. She should be grateful that the fbi didnt do thier job

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TurtleDude said:
you're wrong, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. On one side, we had six FBI background checks, 11 years as a well respected judge, and not a single allegation in the last 30 years of any malfeasance. On the other side, we have venal political operatives, dragging up claims that were 35 years old, were unsupported by credible evidence and in some cases, were obvious perjury. When Two door claimed people witnessed her groping and they all deny even being at a party with her, it was easy to see her as either delusional, mentally ill or a liar.
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On one side, we had a rush job to shove the accusation aside in order to avoid an actual investigation and to hasten the appointment for the political win. This was blind support.

Everything else you mentioned has nothing to do with it. FBI checks are general in nature and most people do nothing wrong after having done something wrong long ago. Unless the FBI knew to look for something specific, their job applicant or security clearance checks were as routine for Kavanaugh as they are for everybody else. What mattered last year was the investigation that wasn't allowed to happen; and you people used the DNC's botching of what little time they were allowed to have in order to argue a legitimate show of protest.

It was easy to see Ford as those things, because you wanted one of them to be true. Worse, you really didn't care if they were true because you all wanted to see him appointed before a proper investigation might find him guilty. This is exactly why the GOP rammed him through after circumventing the normal vetting process for Supreme Court nominees. It was yet another exercise in political court-packing.
 
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trouble13 said:
Theres a strong possibly that if the fbi thoroughly investigated her claims she would be in prison. She should be grateful that the fbi didnt do thier job

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She's the only that took a lie detector test...and passed.
 
trouble13 said:
Theres a strong possibly that if the fbi thoroughly investigated her claims she would be in prison. She should be grateful that the fbi didnt do thier job

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This is not strongly possible at all. Ford was an academic and a career professor who put her entire reputation on the line over this. Someone like her does not throw her life away over partisan stupidity. Go find a Wal-Mart employee or a burger flipper for that nonsense.

Had the FBI been allowed to properly investigate instead of being pushed aside so that the GOP could ram Kavanaugh through the process before something might be discovered, it is very doubtful that Ford would have been charged with anything. And if the GOP was so sure about Kavanaugh, why not counter Fords lie detector test with one of his own? Translation, Kavanaugh was not a good boy in college and his results would have been all over the place.
 
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TurtleDude said:
they could not compel him to testify. SHE NEVER SAID ANYONE ELSE WAS THERE

so how could they support her story. It would be hearsay. The best they could do is support her claims that she didn't make this up a couple years ago.

How would the FBI find the house? She didn't know where it was, who owned it, or who in the group she mentioned lived there. And since all the people she claimed were there, denied it, what was the FBI going to do-canvas 30,000 homes within a 30 mile area of where Two Door Lived and asking them-Hey do you remember a party 35-37 years ago where someone might have groped some girl?
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I'm pretty sure she said about four or five other people were in the house. I also think the yearbook and Mark Judges book lends a lot of credence to her story.

The FBI could find the house by simply asking other students where Kavanaugh and his buddies liked to party. It sounded like it was a party house with no adult supervision. It probably wasn't that far from where Ford was living since she was able to walk home. I think they could at least narrow it down to the neighborhood if not the exact house...assuming it still exists.
 
TurtleDude said:
I certainly don't disagree with you on that point-the guy who just came forward is clearly dishonest
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He came forward during the hearings but only now has it been made public. His allegations were reported to the FBI but they didn't investigated it.

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"...The New York Times reported Saturday that the latest allegation, which has until now not been public, was reported to the FBI during Kavanaugh's Supreme Court confirmation process last year but was not investigated by the FBI.

In the Times report, two FBI officials told the newspaper that a Yale classmate of Kavanaugh's, D.C.-based nonprofit owner Max Stier, said that he had witnessed Kavanaugh expose himself at a party before other students pushed Kavanaugh's genitals into the hand of a female student, apparently without her consent.

The Hill has reached out to the Supreme Court for comment.

Stier did not speak publicly about the story, according to the Times, but two officials reportedly corroborated his account to the FBI with the newspaper...​


I don't think he was acting like a partisan as you claim.
 
Moot said:
He came forward during the hearings but only now has it been made public. His allegations were reported to the FBI but they didn't investigated it.

From the OP...

"...The New York Times reported Saturday that the latest allegation, which has until now not been public, was reported to the FBI during Kavanaugh's Supreme Court confirmation process last year but was not investigated by the FBI.

In the Times report, two FBI officials told the newspaper that a Yale classmate of Kavanaugh's, D.C.-based nonprofit owner Max Stier, said that he had witnessed Kavanaugh expose himself at a party before other students pushed Kavanaugh's genitals into the hand of a female student, apparently without her consent.

The Hill has reached out to the Supreme Court for comment.

Stier did not speak publicly about the story, according to the Times, but two officials reportedly corroborated his account to the FBI with the newspaper...​


I don't think he was acting like a partisan as you claim.
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Oh! He was a known witness then? That changes things. He was obviously either buried intentionally, or the FBI simply didn't have the time and moved on as the GOP slammed the door.

The real kick in the teeth, for those who have integrity, is how many Republican Senators knew of him and chose Party loyalty over country. Kavanaugh, like the others, is supposed to be America's Supreme judge, not the GOP's political judge. Before this, they refused to consider a seated President's nominee for an entire year in 2016, until Trump was the new seated president in 2017. This was a first in American history, by the way. That, along with this, and we can clearly see court-packing, which is a decrepit tactic famous among "****-hole" countries.
 
DiAnna said:
Yep, that's exactly what I was talking about earlier in this thread; it's the "GOP Fix Is In" on steroids that appalled me, because future administrations and legislators are watching this crap actually work, will continue along this path for their own side, and literally destroy our government altogether.

Talk of impeaching Kavanaugh at this point is ludicrous; there's no hard evidence. There is, however, evidence that he lied at both of his judicial confirmation hearings, and two individuals who professed to have that evidence were shunted aside and the FBI never followed up on the allegations.

I want to know exactly what the FBI was and was not allowed to investigate regarding both of Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings, and who, if anyone, gave them orders to stonewall and ignore allegations of perjury against him. That is what needs to be done now because it will take months and/or years for congressional investigations to get to the bottom of this, and they have quite enough on their plate at the moment.

As for the Dems, they've got an election to win, which will be difficult enough while they are so divided on impeaching Trump (not impossible, but stupid since he'd be acquitted by the senate) and will only make Democratic candidates more vulnerable during the 2020 election.

That's my take on this mess, FWIW.
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If these allegations are true, he should definitely be impeached after proper investigation. As you pointed out, he has also lied. Any elected Republican with a spine and principles would agree. I know it’s far into the future and not going to be easy, and may never happen. It is still the right thing to do, and our leaders doing the right thing is asking for too much today.

The GOP has no spine and has been totally corrupted under the Trump Administration. Had Lindsay Graham and GOP done the right thing from the beginning, the issue would have been actually investigated. Instead, they lied, misled, grandstands, and played the whole “fix is in.”

Even if a Democrat wins, correcting the errors of the Trump Administration and exposing the full corruption of Trump and the Kavanaugh handling is going to be a massive hurdle. The DOJ has been weaponized by the right wing. The right wing has fully backed Trump for political wins and court appointments, and Trump is a savior to the right wing base. At some point, the country needs to figure out how to defeat an entire party overrun by sycophancy, wide spread corruption, and cult of personality.

The second a newly elected Democratic President tries to look into the matters or clean up this corruption, the party sycophants and base will go insane. Fox News and right wing radio will blast the paranoid rhetoric. The president will be called a dictator, and I see the typical “right to revolution” and gun waving.

Watching the Democratic primaries, some of them have well thought out plans. But none of them have a strategy on how to address and correct these errors. I fear, tribalism, mass corruption, lying, and political weaponization like we saw during the Kavanaugh hearings will be the new normal. It is about political wins now. Such a corrupt and divided system may serve the most powerful on both sides but it will alienate average people.

I do hope America figures this out. If not, the country and all it claims to stand for will be lost.
 
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MSgt said:
Oh! He was a known witness then? That changes things. He was obviously either buried intentionally, or the FBI simply didn't have the time and moved on as the GOP slammed the door.

The real kick in the teeth, for those who have integrity, is how many Republican Senators knew of him and chose Party loyalty over country. Kavanaugh, like the others, is supposed to be America's Supreme judge, not the GOP's political judge. Before this, they refused to consider a seated President's nominee for an entire year in 2016, until Trump was the new seated president in 2017. This was a first in American history, by the way. That, along with this, and we can clearly see court-packing, which is a decrepit tactic famous among "****-hole" countries.
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Yup. The entire process was a complete sham. I hope the Republicans realize they set a very bad and dangerous precedent that will come back to bite them.



This is likely what clenched the deal for Trump....

Jonathan Turley of George Washington University has stated that among the judges considered by Trump, "Kavanaugh has the most robust view of presidential powers and immunities".[155] Brian Bennett writing for Time magazine cites Kavanaugh's 2009 Minnesota Law Review article as defending the privilege of the President to immunity from prosecution during tenure in office.[155]...​
 
SheWolf said:
If these allegations are true, he should definitely be impeached after proper investigation. As you pointed out, he has also lied. Any elected Republican with a spine and principles would agree. I know it’s far into the future and not going to be easy, and may never happen. It is still the right thing to do, and our leaders doing the right thing is asking for too much today.

The GOP has no spine and has been totally corrupted under the Trump Administration. Had Lindsay Graham and GOP done the right thing from the beginning, the issue would have been actually investigated. Instead, they lied, misled, grandstands, and played the whole “fix is in.”

Even if a Democrat wins, correcting the errors of the Trump Administration and exposing the full corruption of Trump and the Kavanaugh handling is going to be a massive hurdle. The DOJ has been weaponized by the right wing. The right wing has fully backed Trump for political wins and court appointments, and Trump is a savior to the right wing base. At some point, the country needs to figure out how to defeat an entire party overrun by sycophancy, wide spread corruption, and cult of personality.

The second a newly elected Democratic President tries to look into the matters or clean up this corruption, the party sycophants and base will go insane. Fox News and right wing radio will blast the paranoid rhetoric. The president will be called a dictator, and I see the typical “right to revolution” and gun waving.

Watching the Democratic primaries, some of them have well thought out plans. But none of them have a strategy on how to address and correct these errors. I fear, tribalism, mass corruption, lying, and political weaponization like we saw during the Kavanaugh hearings will be the new normal. It is about political wins now. Such a corrupt and divided system may serve the most powerful on both sides but it will alienate average people.

I do hope America figures this out. If not, the country and all it claims to stand for will be lost.
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This is an excellent post, and I do not disagree with any of it.

At the moment, I'm very frightened for the future of my country, and very sad.
 
Apparently the supposed victim doesn't even remember the attack. Now why on earth would a "respected" "unbiased" news organization make the claim in the first place if the "victim" declined to be interviewed and doesn't even recall the event? Facts don't even matter anymore, do they?
 
SheWolf said:
I do hope America figures this out. If not, the country and all it claims to stand for will be lost.
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What specifically do you think will happen to say that America has lost "all it stands for"? What events and/or laws will be passed to show that America is "lost"?
 
Josie said:
What specifically do you think will happen to say that America has lost "all it stands for"? What events and/or laws will be passed to show that America is "lost"?
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Have you not been paying attention these last 10 years?
 
SheWolf said:
If these allegations are true, he should definitely be impeached after proper investigation. As you pointed out, he has also lied. Any elected Republican with a spine and principles would agree. I know it’s far into the future and not going to be easy, and may never happen. It is still the right thing to do, and our leaders doing the right thing is asking for too much today.

The GOP has no spine and has been totally corrupted under the Trump Administration. Had Lindsay Graham and GOP done the right thing from the beginning, the issue would have been actually investigated. Instead, they lied, misled, grandstands, and played the whole “fix is in.”

Even if a Democrat wins, correcting the errors of the Trump Administration and exposing the full corruption of Trump and the Kavanaugh handling is going to be a massive hurdle. The DOJ has been weaponized by the right wing. The right wing has fully backed Trump for political wins and court appointments, and Trump is a savior to the right wing base. At some point, the country needs to figure out how to defeat an entire party overrun by sycophancy, wide spread corruption, and cult of personality.

The second a newly elected Democratic President tries to look into the matters or clean up this corruption, the party sycophants and base will go insane. Fox News and right wing radio will blast the paranoid rhetoric. The president will be called a dictator, and I see the typical “right to revolution” and gun waving.

Watching the Democratic primaries, some of them have well thought out plans. But none of them have a strategy on how to address and correct these errors. I fear, tribalism, mass corruption, lying, and political weaponization like we saw during the Kavanaugh hearings will be the new normal. It is about political wins now. Such a corrupt and divided system may serve the most powerful on both sides but it will alienate average people.

I do hope America figures this out. If not, the country and all it claims to stand for will be lost.
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That’s what we said for 8 years during Obama. Buckle up. We intend to make sure you learn a lesson. ;)
 
DiAnna said:
I'm not a mod; however, this thread is for the discussion of Kavanaugh; Bill Clinton is not the topic. Feel free to contact the mods for further guidance, or create your own Bill Clinton Is A [fill in the blank], and people who try to discuss Kavanaugh in said thread will likely be asked to stay on the topic.

I hope that helps.
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Bill Clinton weaves into this perfectly. He is a rapist and sexual predator you folks defended aggressively.

There is zero proof Kavanaugh did anything, Frau Ford was totally discredited, as has every venture into defamation... including this last one.

It’s just rich watching the Left and their lack of standards... which is where the Clinton Crime Family puts you into a corner... you yourselves painted yourselves into.

Don’t like it? Tough **** honey. You folks laid your foundation upon wretched people and wretched ideas. Nobody forced you to... you folks chose to.
 
trouble13 said:
Thats how the game is played. Put out the smear and poison oeoples minds than quietly insert a correction that most will never read so they can claim it wasnt fake news just an editorial mistake that they corrected as soon as they realized the error. Funny how these damaging mistakes happen perdominiately to republicans. Hey bu dont concern yourself with that, its all very innoncent

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Yes... you can see that is the game played.

In just the past couple weeks the Goebbels Media has continued their 2-year obsession of feeding serious poison to their bitter clingers. In the past... **** like this would have resulted in firings. Today... it’s a slap on the back and an atta boy!!!

The O’Donnell Deutsche Bank farce.

Jim Scuitto (former Obama admin lackey) misinforming the public about the spy the Obama Administration compromised. He tried to blame Trump. Even the NYT even had to smack the lying Scuitto.

Kavanaugh.

In just the past couple weeks. Any wonder the Goebbels Media has zero credibility with most Americans.
 
MSgt said:
You are wrong. This thread is clearly about Kavanaugh, not Bill Clinton who got impeached over a partisan induced technicality two decades ago. You are corrected.

But you oddly asked when Democrats found their moral compass. Given how Conservatives fumbled all over themselves to elect in 2016 a serial adulterer who grabs ***** whenever he wants and solicits sex from pornographers, how most Conservatives defended the suspended Roy Moore in 2017, and how they rallied to blindly defend Kavanaugh last year in 2018, the proper question to ask is when, along their FOX News propagandist induced comas, did Republicans begin abandoning theirs.
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“Impeached over a partisan induced technicality.” ROTFLOL... You see, this is why free speech is so potent. It reveals the demented thought patterns of Leftists.

Lying under oath in an effort to deny someone their day in court is not a small matter.

He was impeached, disbarred. Fined... and was lucky that’s all he got. And Leftists actually came out in 2016 and said he should have been removed... but it was too late. The Left sided with a pervert and Criminal... and by your “reasoning”... still do!!!!!

This is why bringing up the Clinton Crime Family is pertinent. On one side you have a criminal and proof of his crimes. On the other you have a woman whose lawyer admitted Ford took her shots because of abortion...

... and none of her story could be corroborated by her best friends.

Then we have Avenatti, The Greasy Porn Lawyer and his lying wrench.

And just look at the massive intellectual inconsistencies of the Greasy Left. Poisoned by their Goebbels Media day after day, they keep coming back for more.
 
zimmer said:
Bill Clinton weaves into this perfectly. He is a rapist and sexual predator you folks defended aggressively.

There is zero proof Kavanaugh did anything, Frau Ford was totally discredited, as has every venture into defamation... including this last one.

It’s just rich watching the Left and their lack of standards... which is where the Clinton Crime Family puts you into a corner... you yourselves painted yourselves into.

Don’t like it? Tough **** honey. You folks laid your foundation upon wretched people and wretched ideas. Nobody forced you to... you folks chose to.
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And how is the conservative party any differant?
Um, there not and by the rapist standerd set by the mango madman Clinton, Billy boy and Hillary are completely exonerated. And the ran the intense make him fail campaign for eight ****ing years of Obama's presidency, they lied about everything they could think to lie about. They used fake metrics for the entire 8 years and switched back to the standerd metrics the moment they had power. They overrode the president's veto without reading it and when it was to late and they figured out how badly they screwed America, they ( specifically ) mitch McConnell blamed, you guessed it, Obama. They said the year they had to read the bill wasn't enough time. Which is off the hook stupid, I am but a humble construction worker who never completed high school and I managed to get the thing read and understood why it was vetoed. but that was just to God dammed much for the turtle boy who gets paid to know this. So to claim any sort of superior quality is just complete ignorance. So you got that going for ya
 
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And how is the conservative party any differant?
Um, there not and by the rapist standerd set by the mango madman Clinton, Billy boy and Hillary are completely exonerated. And the ran the intense make him fail campaign for every ****ing day of Obama's presidency, they lied about everything they could think to lie about. They used fake metrics for the entire 8 years and switched back to the standerd metrics the moment they had power. They overrode the president's veto without reading it and when it was to late and they figured out how badly they screwed America, they ( specifically ) mitch McConnell blamed, you guessed it, Obama. They said the year they had to read the bill wasn't enough time. Which is off the hook stupid, I am but a humble construction worker who never completed high school and I managed to get the thing read and understood why it was vetoed. but that was just to God dammed much for the turtle boy who gets paid to know this. So to claim any sort of superior quality is just complete ignorance. So you got that going for ya
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Aren’t you seriously disappointed again by the poison fed to you by the Goebbels Media?

Aren’t you tired of being made a fool of by disseminating their lies?

When will people like you finally have enough of being poisoned by these colossal lies?

When?
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ROTFLOL... The Clinton Crime Family completely exonerated?!!!!

Impeached, disbarred, fined is not exonerated.

Obama failed on his own. He gutted the Democrat Party to a low not seen in 96-years. He has no legacy because he did it by pen and phone, not legislation. Obama’s legacy is a set of Parker Pens.

BTW... Have you seen how Democrats have been ****ting on Obama lately?... ROTFLOL...

They didn’t read legislation before voting on it? True. It’s how we got the failure known as ObamaCare shoved down our throats... despite Massachusetts voting in a Republican to replace Dead Kennedy... in an effort to stop it.

Remember this? ... have to pass the bill to find out what is in it.



The Goebbels Media used fake metrics? Yes they did. It’s how you get Criminal Hillary up by 12-points 2-weeks Before the election.
 
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zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... The Clinton Crime Family completely exonerated?!!!!

Impeached, disbarred, fined is not exonerated.

Obama failed on his own. He gutted the Democrat Party to a low not seen in 96-years. He has no legacy because he did it by pen and phone, not legislation. Obama’s legacy is a set of Parker Pens.

BTW... Have you seen how Democrats have been ****ting on Obama lately?... ROTFLOL...

They didn’t read legislation before voting on it? True. It’s how we got the failure known as ObamaCare shoved down our throats... despite Massachusetts voting in a Republican to replace Dead Kennedy... in an effort to stop it.

Remember this? ... have to pass the bill to find out what is in it.



The Goebbels Media used fake metrics? Yes they did. It’s how you get Criminal Hillary up by 12-points 2-weeks Before the election.
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Pointless, waste of time. Did not read. You are very misinformed and way to tribal to show any lucid comprehension....good on you.
 
Minty_fresh said:
Pointless, waste of time. Did not read. You are very misinformed and way to tribal to show any lucid comprehension....good on you.
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Didn’t read it? How Leftist if you. As is stated amongst the Left... A closed mind is a wonderful thing to have.

Not pointless. Not a waste of time. Simply trying to provide you the information and education you’ve been denied.

PS> I am a partisan. I used to be a Leftist, but grew out of that claptrap and have seen zero reason to re-embrace that epically failed ideology.

Tell me, where has Leftistism worked?
 
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