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[W:369]Kavanaugh accused of more unwanted sexual contact by former classmate

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TurtleDude said:
It was perfectly justified given that the Democrats did the same thing to equally well qualified men-appointed to a LOWER Court who had the VOTES in the Senate
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BS. You put your defense of a very big issue on a very little piece of nothing there.
 
SheWolf said:
He only hires young female clerks... it’s really weird
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ONLY? what is the average age of someone seeking a supreme court clerkship?

have any of those clerks claimed he has assaulted them
 
JMR said:
BS. You put your defense of a very big issue on a very little piece of nothing there.
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explain, that is a stupid comment./ I call it what is good for the goose....
 
3leftsdoo said:
The definition of a full investigation is one that ends the way the one's calling for it want it to end.

Until then: :2mad:
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Well, no. The FBI didn't investigate the allegations the way they should have...so, we will never really know. But to me it's kind of irrelevant because it's something that happened decades ago and in my opinion, I don't think Kavanaugh is the same person that he was when he was a teenager in the 1980s.
 
JMR said:
Martin was walking home while black. Zimmerman followed him in a car, called police. Was told to stay in his car. He disobeyed and confronted Martin. Was overpowered and decided to kill Martin. The only "thuggish" behavior exhibited was Martin defending himself.....and whatever embellishments Zimmerman chose to add. I'd say you choose to believe a crazy man, who has been arrested time and again for violent behavior rather than concede that Travon was just a kid who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Like it or not, the Jury saw it differently. And yes Zimmerman was a dolt. but Martin's age had no relevance to a claim of self defense. Kavanaugh's age 36 -37 years ago is extremely important in discussing the pipe dream that two door could bring charges last year and have them prosecuted. She could not because at the time of the alleged groping, he was a juvenile and the SOL for what her unsupported claims alleged, was a year
 
TurtleDude said:
there is no argument that Kavanaugh was at the top of his class in HS. and you all keep ignoring that he got into Yale Law and there is no evidence of any scandals involving that school. So even if you could make an argument that Kavanaugh got into Yale due to some breaks (even though his HS record is more than sufficient to have gained entrance at Yale) , you cannot explain away his record in college that got him into a law school that turned down 92 or more white males out of every 100 who applied.
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I have no idea if that is true.
 
TurtleDude said:
I realize its stupid to play nice with people who pulled the crap that they did with Estrada and Keisler. So I hope that McConnell can put a couple more Clarence Thomas style Justices on the court. I don't think the majority of voters want the police breaking down doors, trying to confiscate weapons and getting lots of people killed-on both sides.

Beta is a wimpy eunuch who just castrated his remote chances of being nominated. Other Democrats noted how idiotic his claims are-one Democrat-from Delaware I believe, noted that Beta's nonsense is going to be the stuff of pro gun advertisements for decades

YES AMERICA, DEMOCRATS WANT TO ATTACK LAW ABIDING AMERICANS AND confiscate their guns. I bet BETA just caused another million AR 15s to be sold this next week
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I notice you ignored the point of my post...I can repeat:
Beta doesn't speak for all candidates...but he does represent a view held now by a majority of voters. You guys should grow up and decide how you will police yourselves and guard your rights and stop your cold dead fingers bs.
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Nothing is going to come from this.
 
TurtleDude said:
What, graduating at the top of your class at a tough prep school, or getting the grades to get into the most exclusive law school in the world?
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No, being a privileged "man" brought up to believe all doors are open. Don't act as if you've never met one.
 
TurtleDude said:
Like it or not, the Jury saw it differently. And yes Zimmerman was a dolt. but Martin's age had no relevance to a claim of self defense. Kavanaugh's age 36 -37 years ago is extremely important in discussing the pipe dream that two door could bring charges last year and have them prosecuted. She could not because at the time of the alleged groping, he was a juvenile and the SOL for what her unsupported claims alleged, was a year
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Really....which would be the worse outcome?

A) Being denied a job you want by a zealous opposition; or

B) Being shot dead by a zealot
 
By the way, a bombshell story about further revelations of Kavanaugh's sexual predation and the fact that the FBI never actually investigated it is turned by the NYTimes into a story about Yale's campus culture. Anyone care to explain that? It's almost like they created an extraordinary story with the purpose of burying it as hard as possible.
 
Cardinal said:
The accusations were over something that happened in the 80's. The things he's accused of were not okay back then.
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I don't know...the 80s were a time of excess and drugs. So I am the last person to judge the behavior of others during that time. Frankly, I'm lucky to be alive for some of things I did.

But I look at some of the videos of Trump and Epstein during that time period with the girls putting themselves out there for attention. It's disgusting today...but back then, it was almost normal.
 
JMR said:
Really....which would be the worse outcome?

A) Being denied a job you want by a zealous opposition; or

B) Being shot dead by a zealot
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uh that has zero relevance to the Kavanaugh issue and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the issue

you all lost, this is getting beyond stupid and its the same exact bs that failed a year ago.
 
Moot said:
I don't know...the 80s were a time of excess and drugs. So I am the last person to judge the behavior of others during that time. Frankly, I'm lucky to be alive for some of things I did.

But I look at some of the videos of Trump and Epstein during that time period with the girls putting themselves out there for attention. It's disgusting today...but back then, it was almost normal.
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I don't agree with your take here, but let's just go with it. Let's just say that culturally speaking, it was a different time and society didn't frown on his behavior. I don't agree with that take, but let's just go with it. If true, would that mitigate the harm he caused? And if not, would it not be the decent thing to do to take responsibility for his actions and apologize to his victims?

Also keep in mind that in our youth we often have a terrible idea of the ramifications of our actions, but that doesn't mean that the ramifications are any less meaningful.
 
TurtleDude said:
uh that has zero relevance to the Kavanaugh issue and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the issue

you all lost, this is getting beyond stupid and its the same exact bs that failed a year ago.
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Actually it has relevance to your perpetual distress over mistreatment of Kavanaugh while simultaneously dismissing any mistreatment to Martin. One of who actually misbehaved as an adolescent...the other there is no proof.

Feel free to drop out of the conversation. I agree it is unlikely to get to any new revelations. Have a good one!
 
Cardinal said:
I don't agree with your take here, but let's just go with it. Let's just say that culturally speaking, it was a different time and society didn't frown on his behavior. I don't agree with that take, but let's just go with it. If true, would that mitigate the harm he caused? And if not, would it not be the decent thing to do to take responsibility for his actions and apologize to his victims?

Also keep in mind that in our youth we often have a terrible idea of the ramifications of our actions, but that doesn't mean that the ramifications are any less meaningful.
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Yes, absolutely...IF only he had the balls to admit that he behaved badly as a teen. But it's understandable why he didn't because he stood to lose everything he worked for as an adult including his marriage if he had admitted to such stupid things he did as an adolescent.
 
Moot said:
Yes, absolutely...IF only he had the balls to admit that he behaved badly as a teen. But it's understandable why he didn't because he stood to lose everything he worked for as an adult including his marriage if had admitted to such stupid things he did as an adolescent.
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Then in your explanation that would just make him a terrible human being because he put his own convenience ahead of the pain he inflicted on others. Putting convenience first is a pretty unremarkable and common trait among bad people. Also, if the pain you inflicted on others is enough to be a career ended, then maybe those actions were pretty awful and don't entitle you to a successful career? Just a thought.

My wife and I shared with each other our worst deeds. It's a pretty good thing to get out of the way fairly early on if you ask me.

Edit: I'm enjoying this discussion and don't want you to take any of this personally. It's not at all my intent to make you feel bad about your position. Topics concerning morality are usually ambiguous and messy.
 
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SheWolf said:
The investigation was a sham, and the guy is a total bitch who cried and cried on national television.

The country was more than fair him, and if these allegations are true, he caused a lot more pain than he could ever pretend to play on national TV.

I went to a party to find somebody. I wasn’t there to party. I wasn’t even drinking. When I walked in, a guy asked me to hold his beer. He put two beers in my hand, and as I held those beers, he put both hands under my shirt and bra and grabbed me. As he did this, a bunch of guys there started laughing. I was actually underage at the time. I felt horrible, and scared.

What he is accused of is serious. He has daughters, and he cried on TV and called all these women liars. **** Brett Kavanaugh.
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How is the fact that BK has daughters in any way relevant to whether he may have done something (for which there is no credible corroboration) decades ago?

Weird...
 
Moot said:
Well, no. The FBI didn't investigate the allegations the way they should have...so, we will never really know. But to me it's kind of irrelevant because it's something that happened decades ago and in my opinion, I don't think Kavanaugh is the same person that he was when he was a teenager in the 1980s.
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I don't agree about the FBI.

It's not their job to chase decades-old allegations about what may or may not have happened at teen parties, and as far as I'm concerned, they did more than was warranted by the whole clown show.

But we agree otherwise.
 
Cardinal said:
Then in your explanation that would just make him a terrible human being because he put his own convenience ahead of the pain he inflicted on others. Putting convenience first is a pretty unremarkable and common trait among bad people.

My wife and I shared with each other our worst deeds. It's a pretty good thing to get out the way fairly early on if you ask me.
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No, I think he was young man that was full of himself and did stupid things. The adults in his life seemed to be non existent or enablers at worst.

Of course...but you and your wife weren't held to public scrutiny and shaming on a national level like he was and I think that's the difference.
 
3leftsdoo said:
I don't agree about the FBI.

It's not their job to chase decades-old allegations about what may or may not have happened at teen parties, and as far as I'm concerned, they did more than was warranted by the whole clown show.

But we agree otherwise.
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Actually, it was their job to thoroughly investigate Kavanaugh's background.
 
Cardinal said:
By the way, a bombshell story about further revelations of Kavanaugh's sexual predation and the fact that the FBI never actually investigated it is turned by the NYTimes into a story about Yale's campus culture. Anyone care to explain that? It's almost like they created an extraordinary story with the purpose of burying it as hard as possible.
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1) Not remotely a bombshell
2) No evidence that BK's a predator
3) The FBI investigated plenty - too much given the idiocy of the entire situation
4) The entire clown show was a national disgrace
 
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