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Air Force crew made an odd stop on a routine trip: Trumps Scottish resort

BWG said:
True enough. Coming back from Thailand we stopped in Tokyo to refuel and was scheduled to go on to Anchorage for more re-fueling, but we got in the jet steam and saved enough fuel to fly directly to San Fran.


But that's not in play in this instance since this was a C-17 transport and there are USAF bases in Germany and more in the UK, where fuel and lodging are cheaper.

That's why it's odd that they would go to a Scotland airport that just conviently has a trump property nearby.
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In 2012 on a trip to Afghanistan we stopped in Scotland to refuel. I guess Obama was trying to keep the trump hotel open as well

And you do realize that their are a ton of hotels in and around that airport. To pretend that Trump is telling the air force to stop there to refuel on the of chance that the service members might happen to have stay at a Trump hotel is so far beyond ridiculous that only someone suffering from an extreme case of TDS would think that is what happened.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Ireland is packed with Pence fans. They generally don't like him.

Also there is the difference of security at a public airport and security at US military air base.

And then there is the pissing off of the locals. Apparently Pence has a entourage of hundreds who accompany him. Doonbeg locals were most likely not at all pleased as everywhere Pence went daily routine was disrupted, foot and vehicle traffic were greatly impeded. It was no doubt an ugly American spectacle all around.

I don't know how far Pence's motorcade had to travel to reach the airport near Doonbeg but it screwed traffic to hell coming and going everyday.

How did Pence travel from the Dublin airport to meet with Taoiseach Varadkar? If Pence motorcade drove from the Dublin airport I'm surprised the locals weren't throwing rocks and eggs. Dublin traffic would have stood at a standstill as Pence motored through on a 15 or 20 minute ride. Morning and afternoon.
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In addition there is the affront to the Irish hospitality industry.
 
JMR said:
From Politico:

They have racked up 11 million dollars in expenses at this commercial airport next to Trump's golf course. The airport was in danger of closing due to financial reasons. Trump's course was 3 million in the red last year, now 4 million in the black, after the US taxpayers rescued the airport.
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And you have any evidence that Trump had anything to do with the air force choosing to land there. I am not asking for full proof just some sort of evidence what so ever. Even the tiniest bit of evidence.
 
braindrain said:
And you have any evidence that Trump had anything to do with the air force choosing to land there. I am not asking for full proof just some sort of evidence what so ever. Even the tiniest bit of evidence.
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The Defense Department knows why.

And they refuse to tell Congress.

Doesn’t that tell you something?
 
braindrain said:
And you have any evidence that Trump had anything to do with the air force choosing to land there. I am not asking for full proof just some sort of evidence what so ever. Even the tiniest bit of evidence.
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Politico has reported that Congress is investigating this issue. The Pentagon has so far refused to supply further information. Congress has the fuel expenditures at this airport....which coincentally has never refueled American Military Aircraft before.

What would you require as evidence? A tape recording? A tweet? What difference does it make? The fact is it happened. Even if completely innocent, Trump should be outraged if he were following the standards of his office. Is he? Has he demanded a full investigation?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Rotation and Curvature of the Earth... we flew over Greenland when we went from LA to Paris. Just like a flight from LA to Japan will go up towards Alaska.
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The military have been flying this route a very long time, and always before refueled at one of the US Military Bases along the route. It is rather odd to stop at a commercial airport, on multiple occasions, that just happens to be in financial difficulty and just happens to be located next to Trump's property. Curvature and all....;)
 
JMR said:
The military have been flying this route a very long time, and always before refueled at one of the US Military Bases along the route. It is rather odd to stop at a commercial airport, on multiple occasions, that just happens to be in financial difficulty and just happens to be located next to Trump's property. Curvature and all....;)
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I agree but I also don't care... I am here to teach Science.
 
JMR said:
Politico has reported that Congress is investigating this issue. The Pentagon has so far refused to supply further information. Congress has the fuel expenditures at this airport....which coincentally has never refueled American Military Aircraft before.

What would you require as evidence? A tape recording? A tweet? What difference does it make? The fact is it happened. Even if completely innocent, Trump should be outraged if he were following the standards of his office. Is he? Has he demanded a full investigation?
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Yes there are a few members of congress that suffer from TDS as well. What do you want to bet that very soon this story will disappear never to be heard from again.

The type of evidence is up to you. Like I said any evidence will do. Even the most tiny bit.
It was rather obvious you have none other wise you would have posted it.

So more made up BS. Different day same old story.
 
braindrain said:
Yes there are a few members of congress that suffer from TDS as well. What do you want to bet that very soon this story will disappear never to be heard from again.

The type of evidence is up to you. Like I said any evidence will do. Even the most tiny bit.
It was rather obvious you have none other wise you would have posted it.

So more made up BS. Different day same old story.
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LOL....Factual evidence exists and is in the hands of Congress that recently 11 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent at a COMMERCIAL airport next to TRUMP PROPERTY to refuel military planes that have always before gone to military bases. The cost of fuel at that commercial airport is higher than the cost at military bases. Coincidentally the airport is teetering on closure due to financial shortcomings. Coincidentally the closure of the airport would very negatively impact the Trump property. Coincidentally the Trump property was operating in the red.

The president should be calling for an investigation of this apparent waste of taxpayer money, and the look of impropriety. Has he.? Any evidence will do. Certainly he should be aiding Congress in the search for who is responsible for this waste.

Congratulations...you have stepped deeper into the Trump Defense Sesspool...of endless shameless arguments.
 
JMR said:
LOL....Factual evidence exists and is in the hands of Congress that recently 11 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent at a COMMERCIAL airport next to TRUMP PROPERTY to refuel military planes that have always before gone to military bases. The cost of fuel at that commercial airport is higher than the cost at military bases. Coincidentally the airport is teetering on closure due to financial shortcomings. Coincidentally the closure of the airport would very negatively impact the Trump property. Coincidentally the Trump property was operating in the red.

The president should be calling for an investigation of this apparent waste of taxpayer money, and the look of impropriety. Has he.? Any evidence will do. Certainly he should be aiding Congress in the search for who is responsible for this waste.

Congratulations...you have stepped deeper into the Trump Defense Sesspool...of endless shameless arguments.[/QUOTE
Oh you now know that congress has evidence that says that indicates Trump had anything to do with this. Which is what I asked you for. Let's see your link to that claim. Surely you are not just making crap up are you.

And military planes stop at commercial airports all the time. Including other stops on that very flight we are talking about. Maybe if you would actually learn about things you are talking about you wouldn't look so foolish.

Trump is a giant piece of crap that needs to removed from office this next election but that doesn't make the constant whinning over every little thing from the TDS sufferers any less pathetic. And it's not defending Trump to not believe every little bit of BS with zero evidence. Especially stories that are simply not very believable. And there is so much wrong on this thread it's almost unbelievable. We have posters claiming service members only get 10 dollars a day per diem others claiming it is against regulations for service members to stay in hotels while traveling to other locations. TDS suffered need no evidence of even knowledge on a topic to believe anything as long as they think it hurts Trump.
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Dick Tornado said:
If you are not in the Military you can't book a room at Turnberry for $136.00 a night which is the contracted rate for Air Force personnel.
(Avg. Discounted Price $275.00 - $390.00)

The average American would pay what the hospitality industry calls rack rate.

Rack rates are set at the front desk and often are 2.5 times that of contracted rates.

Rack rate factors are, date of stay, resort occupancy, event schedules, client demeanor, surrounding hotels, etc.

Example: The rack rate at the Ritz Carlton here in Phoenix is $525.00 a night for a mid-range room, but the corporate rate is as low as $190.00 a night.
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Dick Tornado said:
I wonder if even a Starbucks could survive at a location as vacant as this. :coffeepap

Do you think you need to arrive a hour early for your flight to avoid delays here?

It is 54 miles from here to Trumps resort. (I hope they have a shuttle service.)

Imagine having to leave for the airport more than two hours before your flight.

:golf
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The Glasgow Sunday Post investigative piece on Prestwick says the airport has 3000 employees. This was as of Sept 8th.

Looks like they get to sleep for free.

And get paid to snooze besides.

It's both a rack rate and a racket payout.

Trump all the while is trying to save his golf resort by turning Prestwick into a USAF base of one kind or another -- in fact if not in its name. The AF Brigadier who's selling the Prestwick Scam to the American public says using Prestwick eases up on traffic at all the other US bases in Nato countries.

I myself can't find anyone who believes less work for US armed forces personnel is a priority or goal at the Pentagon. Especially when less work means it costs more money to do it someplace else. Money gets wasted yes and currently Trump is the poster boy for it.

Yet while Trump swiping money from Pentagon for his wall is a much bigger swindle of taxpayer funds, this Trump Prestwick Fiasco is costing both Scotts and Americans their bucks to run. Meanwhile the AF crew being investigated had been minding its own business in Alaska until this innocent sounding mission came along.

Trump himself is an octopus of corruption. The Global Octopus that Trump is. It's no wonder Putin loves him. I doubt it's 50-50 though. I doubt that very much. Putin is top man and we know it.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I agree but I also don't care... I am here to teach Science.
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From down under looking up all the time.

Everything curves off and away don't it.

This is the law of inertia actually. Once Trump's corruption is in motion it tends to say in motion. Trump's corruption accelerates in fact so you'd need to figure that out first. Your first clue is that it has to do with weight, mass and bucks. Which is where I and others come in, ie, to try to expose Trump's Corruption if not to stop it.

Scientifically. It's elementary of course.
 
MTAtech said:
Which doesn't undercut the general question of why the planes had to fuel (at higher cost to taxpayers) and lodge at the Trump facility when a U.S. airbase is near and they can lodge, eat and drink for free.
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Free? Where do you get that from?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The issue is not that the air plane stopped in Glasgow, but that the air crew stayed at the Turnberry resort 53.8 miles from the airport. A luxury resort owned by Trump. I am sure there are plenty of hotels closer to the airport at more standard rates and expenses than a luxury resort 53.8 miles from the air port


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This air crew was not flying in support of the President or of VP Pence but on a routine shipment of supplies to Kuwait




So from appearance the military is funneling members to stay at Trumps resort, on a regular basis, when it was not done before, to support Trump's business
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Yes Trump ordered the US military to have seven people stay at his hotel in order for him to get rich.

This is the problem with people who have such blind hate. They belive just about any nonsense as long as if feeds their hate

You should probably do a bit more research before making such silly claims.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If air force crews are being redirected to stay at a luxury resort instead of regular hotels, to enrich a person in the government is that not corruption?
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Good thing they are not them huh.
 
Moon said:
Free? Where do you get that from?
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Is so a funny watching so many people in this thread act like they know what they are talking about while it's ridiculously obvious they have no idea what they are talking about.
We have people claiming is against regulations for service members to stay in hotels while traveling, others claiming they only get paid ten dollars per diem, others claiming that food, drinks and lodging are free on military bases, and my favorite they think planes fly in a straight line from the US to the middle east. It's amazing how hatred forces people to not be able to think.
 
braindrain said:
You are right I forgot about the free breakfast at Marriotts. OK that saves them like $10. And no I have never seen any other hotels offer discounts. And we were talking about food. Last time I checked golf is not food.

So where is your evidence that these service members only made 10 dollars per diem. Or that they were forced to stay at the Trump hotel. Do you think their is some rule that forces military members to easy at the hotel. Could they not go out and easy somewhere else.

At the end of the day you are falling for a bunch of BS. Most likely due to the fact that you have no idea about what you are talking about.
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The Trump Turnberry resort like any other resort, hotel, etc. when extending a discount treats the difference between "normal" rates and the discounted rate as lost revenue.

Lost revenue can and is deducted from the tax burden as a business expense.

A round of golf comes with the room for every military person who stays at Trumps resort and whether it is actually used or not it is considered to be lost revenue.

A round of golf at Turnberry costs as much as 375 pounds sterling or $459.00 per individual guest. (7 Air Force crew members)

Tee Times - Trump Turnberry, a Luxury Collection Resort

7 x $459.00 = $3213.00 in lost greens fees for the one night stay. (Plus you have to add in the lost room revenues.)

This is how and has been how the hospitality business is run.

If McDonald has a 2 for 1 deal on Egg McMuffins the lost revenue for the "free" sandwich is considered lost revenue and becomes a tax right off.

Firestone offer 4 tires for the cost of 3, once again the lost revenue becomes a tax right off.
 
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Dick Tornado said:
The Trump Turnberry resort like any other resort, hotel, etc. when extending a discount treats the difference between "normal" rates and the discounted rate as lost revenue.

Lost revenue can and is deducted from the tax burden as a business expense.

A round of golf comes with the room for every military person who stays at Trumps resort and whether it is actually used or not it is considered to be lost revenue.

A round of golf at Turnberry costs as much as 375 pounds sterling or $459.00 per individual guest. (7 Air Force crew members)

Tee Times - Trump Turnberry, a Luxury Collection Resort

7 x $459.00 = $3213.00 in lost greens fees for the one night stay. (Plus you have to add in the lost room revenues.)
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You do realize that none of what you just wrote had anything to do with what we were talking about.
 
MTAtech said:
Does not the military house aircrews on military bases for free?
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No they absolutely do not. The on base hotels charge the service members and then the service members claim the amount charged. Exactly the same as normal hotels.

And food and drinks are not free either.

This is why exactly why people shouldn't talk about things when they have no idea what they are talking about.
 
braindrain said:
No they absolutely do not. The on base hotels charge the service members and then the service members claim the amount charged. Exactly the same as normal hotels.

And food and drinks are not free either.

This is why exactly why people shouldn't talk about things when they have no idea what they are talking about.
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I stand corrected. The military charges but it's covered by the per diem. Would you happen to know the rate so that we can compare it to charges paid at the Trump property?
 
Dick Tornado said:
The Trump Turnberry resort like any other resort, hotel, etc. when extending a discount treats the difference between "normal" rates and the discounted rate as lost revenue.

Lost revenue can and is deducted from the tax burden as a business expense.

A round of golf comes with the room for every military person who stays at Trumps resort and whether it is actually used or not it is considered to be lost revenue.

A round of golf at Turnberry costs as much as 375 pounds sterling or $459.00 per individual guest. (7 Air Force crew members)

Tee Times - Trump Turnberry, a Luxury Collection Resort

7 x $459.00 = $3213.00 in lost greens fees for the one night stay. (Plus you have to add in the lost room revenues.)

This is how and has been how the hospitality business is run.

If McDonald has a 2 for 1 deal on Egg McMuffins the lost revenue for the "free" sandwich is considered lost revenue and becomes a tax right off.

Firestone offer 4 tires for the cost of 3, once again the lost revenue becomes a tax right off.
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The methodology described above isn't what one is talking about when discussing profit and loss -- which is total revenue minus costs. When it was stated that the resort lost money, they were reporting that their costs were higher than their revenue.

In any case:
Air Force leaders order probe of Trump resort stays - POLITICO


The U.S. Air Force has ordered a world-wide review of how it chooses overnight accommodations on long flights following revelations that air crews had occasionally stayed at President Donald Trump's Scotland resort while refueling at a small commercial airport nearby.
The review comes as additional instances of military personnel staying at Trump properties have been uncovered. The C-17 crew’s overnight stay at Trump’s Turnberry resort in Scotland earlier this year, first reported by POLITICO on Friday, was not an isolated incident.
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