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Air Force crew made an odd stop on a routine trip: Trumps Scottish resort

You think that despite a single shred of evidence and all the while you knowing that dod service members almost always pick their own hotels.

So in other words you don't care about facts. Your TDS is enough to support you going from day to day.
To bad the navy didn't teach you a bit more about honesty.

They don't pick their own hotels in this sort of situation, normally. They were flying in and would have a layover. They individually did not likely pick their own hotels. That is not normal. Normally in that situation the hotel is chosen by someone not on the flight or chosen by at the least a single person for all of them.
 
The guidelines you posted did not say a single thing about staying at the cheapest or the closest hotel. You are simply making things up at this point. Rather pathetic.

Yes they did, at least about staying on a base, if available.

Supporting Policy
The Joint Travel Regulations (JTR) requires travelers who are TDY to select locations, known as pilot sites, to stay in
Government (DoD), Public-Private Venture (also known as “privatized”) or DoD Preferred commercial lodging
facilities before other commercial options. If directed lodging is available and a traveler chooses to stay in another
hotel, lodging cost reimbursement is limited to what the government would have spent
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Integrated Lodging Program Pilot

In fact to stay offbase when I traveled, I was required to get a CNA from the base lodging to verify that base facilities was not available. This was required for DTS, not just my command, the whole military.

But even if the regulations are not about staying at the cheapest, closest, why would you think it okay to stay far away and waste government money, on a government dollar, just because you can? Why then would it not be okay for wasteful spending throughout government, as long as it is authorized? Should a Captain use money for redecorating his quarters, even if they had just been redecorated and are quite functional, just because he can? Aren't we supposed to act as good stewards of taxpayer money?
 
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I’m no geography major but, Scotland doesn’t seem like a natural layover for flights between the US and the Middle East.

especially not as there is no US air force base and they have to refuel at a UK government owned airport. Why not stop in one of the US bases in the EU. Germany sounds logical. There is a NATO base where the AWACS planes land and take off from. Even Rota or Ramstein air force base all sound much more logical than an airport totally out of the way but close to a Trump property. As soon as he is out of office they should sue him to get the money back from this emolument breaking crook.
 
I think someone under him did. I think that they did redirect that normal flight path from normally landing in either Germany or Spain (where we have bases and where the crew themselves have said they normally stop) to Scotland, where they never remember stopping until after 2017, when Trump took office.

It wasn't just about his hotel though, as was shown. But about ensuring that the airport itself had a steady source of income ($11M in refueling costs for our planes) to ensure that it did not go under. That all goes to helping his resorts, his properties, even if it is just a small amount of help.

One time they didn't stay there. Considering how many times they have stopped there, we don't know how many times they were redirected to stay at the resort rather than closer to the airport in one of the 40+ hotels within 5 miles, that are all cheaper than $100 (Trump Turnberry was said to be over $125 a night).

Indeed.


Glasgow Sunday Post reports that Prestwick civilian airport has shed nearly two million passengers in the space of just seven years at a time when every other major airport is booming.

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The unrelenting decline of passengers using Prestwick continues. So where's the Mooch now that Trump really needs him for crowd size and numbers. Oh that's right, the Mooch has gone south on Trump.


A major contributor to the decline is Ryanair which most recently shifted 300,000 passengers to Glasgow Airport due to passenger feedback that Prestwick was in the middle of nowhere and had a one hour drive to Glasgow where the airport there is a stone's throw from the city. Ryanair was unimpressed by the airport charging it only 20% of the fees it charges airlines to operate at Prestwick.


Civil Aviation Authority figures show 609,937 passengers went through Prestwick last year, a drop from 912,000 in 2014 and down from 1,145,000 in 2013. The impact of carriers switching to Glasgow and Edinburgh is demonstrated by the fact Prestwick had a staggering 2.4 million passengers through its terminal as recently as 2008.

Sources close to Prestwick say the airport has a number of irons in the fire which could be potentially lucrative. "Among the possibilities is a new business stripping down and refitting old planes, maintenance of wide bodied aircraft as well as increasing the amount of military traffic passing through."

Fears troubled Prestwick Airport will not show profit for at least TEN years - Sunday Post


$11 million bucks paid by USAF for fuel at Prestwick.

Trump sure knows how to pick his golf course locations. Good thingy Trump has the US taxpayer to bail him out as Trump also abuses the US military in his trying to get out from under the losses. It just shows how Trump is running outta gas and so are his Fanboyz as Trump goes deeper into his presidency and deeper into his corruption. One wonders what Trump's per diem resort income is from USAF using Prestwick now that he's president.
 
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I hate to tell you this but it is really obvious you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to military TDY travel. Service members don't get diverted to hotels simply because they can't stay on base. When you are doing your orders on DTS the service member can choose to stay in what ever hotel they feel like. The system even allows you to book what ever hotel you want right through DTS.

You do not just get ten dollars for food and drink. That is complete nonsense. The only exception to that is if the military is providing food like at a chow hall or MREs. You get what ever the per diem rate is for that part of that country. The per deim rate for Glasgow is 85usd.

Another example just last week we were in Tokyo. We decided on our own that we didn't want to stay on base at Yokota (the AF base we flew into) as the hotels aren't that great so we booked rooms in the Hilton in downtown tokyo for 278 per night and the pier deim is 229 per day.

I don't know where you have been told that hotels have discounted food or drinks for service members traveling tdy. I have stayed in tons of hotels that we staying for the US government rate and not a single one has had food at a discount.

I don't know if you are just horrible misinformed or are simply making things up but virtually everything you just said is demonstrably wrong. And not just a little wrong but extremely wrong.

You should probably do a bit more googling before posting such nonsense.

So when Marriot offers by contract a FREE breakfast buffet to military members as part of their room but charges its other guests that isn't in your mind a discount?

When other hotel chains by contract offer a 10% discount on food and services to military personnel that is not a discount?

When the Trump resort in Scotland by contract gives FREE rounds of golf to military members staying at the resort that is not a discount? (Do many in the military travel with their clubs?)

I should declare that I worked for years as the Food & Beverage Director in the hospitality industry near Luke AFB and we had a 10% discount for military personnel for food & beverages and a 25% discount for other in house services. (Most popular service was clothes washing)

C-17 crew stops at Trump’s Scottish golf resort en route to Kuwait (This is an article in the Air Force Times)

Multiple sources say the crew who stayed at Turnberry in April, noted that their per diem allowance did not cover the cost of food and drinks.
 
The Trump property at Turnbull has hole in the wall room prices anyway.

The Trump resort is $136 a night.

The Marriott there is $161 a night. Yet the Marriot gets booked before the Trump one does. Trump takes the overflow.

Each of 'em is less than the military per diem rate of $166. Which makes 'em sort of average rooms at best. Hell even Stanley and Stella who just met on a streetcar will go to the Marriott first.

Maybe it's just not coincidence that with USAF pilots using Prestwick the past two years plus, Trump has managed to increase profits at the loser property by exploiting other sweetheart money deals with governments. Chummy deals that combined are slashing losses.

Although Trump's still not making a profit he is profiting since becoming Potus. Maybe Trump can send an infantry division on exercises and have 'em stay at his hole in the wall resort where the food and drink are overpriced. Sell MREs for $25 bucks apiece...half price for the Chili one of course. It's a way for our president to thank our troops. The Trump Way.

It's $10 bucks per diem for food and beverage btw.

If you are not in the Military you can't book a room at Turnberry for $136.00 a night which is the contracted rate for Air Force personnel.
(Avg. Discounted Price $275.00 - $390.00)

The average American would pay what the hospitality industry calls rack rate.

Rack rates are set at the front desk and often are 2.5 times that of contracted rates.

Rack rate factors are, date of stay, resort occupancy, event schedules, client demeanor, surrounding hotels, etc.

Example: The rack rate at the Ritz Carlton here in Phoenix is $525.00 a night for a mid-range room, but the corporate rate is as low as $190.00 a night.
 

I wonder if even a Starbucks could survive at a location as vacant as this. :coffeepap

Do you think you need to arrive a hour early for your flight to avoid delays here?

It is 54 miles from here to Trumps resort. (I hope they have a shuttle service.)

Imagine having to leave for the airport more than two hours before your flight.

:golf
 
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Is this one those things we are suppose to pretend we care about?

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Only if you are about POTUS or the U.S. military using taxpayer dollars for the benefit of POTUS. It's a kind of profiteering and if you don't care about it, well, not much anyone else can do.

It's odd, don't you think, that the U.S. military is stopping at a Scottish airport that's been failing, losing $millions, at risk of closing down which would really hurt Trump's resort nearby, and then Trump gets elected and all of a sudden we start sending hundreds of planes through there for refueling when there's a convenient military base very nearby.
 
Air Force disputes Alaska crew favored Trump Scottish hotel

Air Force disputes Alaska crew favored Trump Scottish hotel

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Military officials are disputing a report that claims a joint Air Force and Alaska Air National Guard unit on a routine mission to Kuwait went miles out of their way to spend the night at a resort in Scotland owned by President Donald Trump.

Military flights making stopovers in Scotland are not unusual, and there were no rooms closer to the airport, an Air Force spokesman said Saturday in an emailed statement to The Associated Press.

“As our aircrews serve on these international airlift missions, they follow strict guidelines on contracting for hotel accommodations and all expenditures of taxpayer dollars,” Brig Gen Edward Thomas wrote. “In this case, they made reservations through the Defense Travel System and used the closest available and least expensive accommodations to the airfield within the crews’ allowable hotel rates.”

The flight took off from Anchorage on March 13, making stops at bases in Nevada and New Hampshire before going to Glasgow Prestwick Airport and eventually Ali Al Salem base in Kuwait. The crew was back in Alaska on March 19.

A local government contractor made the Scotland reservations, and indicated there was not a room closer to the airport than the Trump resort, 54 miles away, Thomas said.

That, Thomas said, was not a remarkable distance to travel to receive the government rate for the rooms.

He said the Trump resort had rooms for $136 a night, cheaper than a Marriott, which charged $161 a night. However, he said both are under the per diem rate of $166.
 
Air Force disputes Alaska crew favored Trump Scottish hotel

Air Force disputes Alaska crew favored Trump Scottish hotel

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Military officials are disputing a report that claims a joint Air Force and Alaska Air National Guard unit on a routine mission to Kuwait went miles out of their way to spend the night at a resort in Scotland owned by President Donald Trump.

Military flights making stopovers in Scotland are not unusual, and there were no rooms closer to the airport, an Air Force spokesman said Saturday in an emailed statement to The Associated Press.

“As our aircrews serve on these international airlift missions, they follow strict guidelines on contracting for hotel accommodations and all expenditures of taxpayer dollars,” Brig Gen Edward Thomas wrote. “In this case, they made reservations through the Defense Travel System and used the closest available and least expensive accommodations to the airfield within the crews’ allowable hotel rates.”

The flight took off from Anchorage on March 13, making stops at bases in Nevada and New Hampshire before going to Glasgow Prestwick Airport and eventually Ali Al Salem base in Kuwait. The crew was back in Alaska on March 19.

A local government contractor made the Scotland reservations, and indicated there was not a room closer to the airport than the Trump resort, 54 miles away, Thomas said.

That, Thomas said, was not a remarkable distance to travel to receive the government rate for the rooms.

He said the Trump resort had rooms for $136 a night, cheaper than a Marriott, which charged $161 a night. However, he said both are under the per diem rate of $166.

Booking.com: Hotels in Prestwick. Book your hotel now!


I’m guessing all of these had the “no vacancy” lamp on?
 
Which doesn't undercut the general question of why the planes had to fuel (at higher cost to taxpayers) and lodge at the Trump facility when a U.S. airbase is near and they can lodge, eat and drink for free.

For free?
 
"Taxpayers are paying a fortune for the use of Air Force One on the campaign trail by President Obama and Crooked Hillary. A total disgrace!" - Donald J. Trump

The hypocrisy is astounding.
 
The problem with your post is that it has nothing to do, at all, with this thread. These were military planes without the president aboard -- which makes everything you wrote moot.

This is the crux, which seems to have gone over your head: Trump has a financial interest in keeping the troubled airport close to his golf resort financially viable because it would negatively impact the financial viability of his resort/golf course should that airport close. The implication is that Trump directed military planes for the sole purpose of giving this financially troubled airport business. The military planes could have easily used nearby military bases, saving millions of dollars.

Don't any of you "drain the swamp" Trumpites still care about conflicts of interest or was that just a campaign slogan that you forgot all about? Now, corruption just doesn't matter to you.

:applaud:applaud:rock:rock:agree
 
I’m no geography major but, Scotland doesn’t seem like a natural layover for flights between the US and the Middle East.

Rotation and Curvature of the Earth... we flew over Greenland when we went from LA to Paris. Just like a flight from LA to Japan will go up towards Alaska.
 
Is this one those things we are suppose to pretend we care about?

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Remember when you guys deeply cared about the Obama administration paying $16 for a muffin?

Fox News even had Jesse Watters do a deep investigation!

And then it turned out not to really be true?

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Rotation and Curvature of the Earth... we flew over Greenland when we went from LA to Paris. Just like a flight from LA to Japan will go up towards Alaska.

True enough. Coming back from Thailand we stopped in Tokyo to refuel and was scheduled to go on to Anchorage for more re-fueling, but we got in the jet steam and saved enough fuel to fly directly to San Fran.


But that's not in play in this instance since this was a C-17 transport and there are USAF bases in Germany and more in the UK, where fuel and lodging are cheaper.

That's why it's odd that they would go to a Scotland airport that just conviently has a trump property nearby.
 
True enough. Coming back from Thailand we stopped in Tokyo to refuel and was scheduled to go on to Anchorage for more re-fueling, but we got in the jet steam and saved enough fuel to fly directly to San Fran.


But that's not in play in this instance since this was a C-17 transport and there are USAF bases in Germany and more in the UK, where fuel and lodging are cheaper.

That's why it's odd that they would go to a Scotland airport that just conviently has a trump property nearby.

I was only responding to Rexedar's question about the oddity of not flying in a straight line... ;)
 
Remember when you guys deeply cared about the Obama administration paying $16 for a muffin?

Fox News even had Jesse Watters do a deep investigation!

And then it turned out not to really be true?

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I thought you guys didnt like whataboutism or is that your only agsinst it when it does not serve your purpose

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As I thought... you can’t address the substance.
How can i address the substsnce of it when its based on a false premise?

It assumes that the military does not have a legitimate reason for selecting that airport. I slso dont know snything about your $12 muffin rant. Just because you say the two things are compareable does not mean thst they are.

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So when Marriot offers by contract a FREE breakfast buffet to military members as part of their room but charges its other guests that isn't in your mind a discount?

When other hotel chains by contract offer a 10% discount on food and services to military personnel that is not a discount?

When the Trump resort in Scotland by contract gives FREE rounds of golf to military members staying at the resort that is not a discount? (Do many in the military travel with their clubs?)

I should declare that I worked for years as the Food & Beverage Director in the hospitality industry near Luke AFB and we had a 10% discount for military personnel for food & beverages and a 25% discount for other in house services. (Most popular service was clothes washing)

C-17 crew stops at Trump’s Scottish golf resort en route to Kuwait (This is an article in the Air Force Times)

Multiple sources say the crew who stayed at Turnberry in April, noted that their per diem allowance did not cover the cost of food and drinks.
You are right I forgot about the free breakfast at Marriotts. OK that saves them like $10. And no I have never seen any other hotels offer discounts. And we were talking about food. Last time I checked golf is not food.

So where is your evidence that these service members only made 10 dollars per diem. Or that they were forced to stay at the Trump hotel. Do you think their is some rule that forces military members to easy at the hotel. Could they not go out and easy somewhere else.

At the end of the day you are falling for a bunch of BS. Most likely due to the fact that you have no idea about what you are talking about.
 
I wonder if even a Starbucks could survive at a location as vacant as this. :coffeepap

Do you think you need to arrive a hour early for your flight to avoid delays here?

It is 54 miles from here to Trumps resort. (I hope they have a shuttle service.)

Imagine having to leave for the airport more than two hours before your flight.

:golf


If the crew did not want to drive those two hours then they should have not voluntarily code to stay at the Trump hotel.
 
Rotation and Curvature of the Earth... we flew over Greenland when we went from LA to Paris. Just like a flight from LA to Japan will go up towards Alaska.

Apparently all the people all the people acting like this was some strange or of the way detour have never traveled internationally. That or they have but their tds is so messing up their brain that they can't think logically.
 
I’m no geography major but, Scotland doesn’t seem like a natural layover for flights between the US and the Middle East.

From Politico:
On previous trips to the Middle East, the C-17 landed at U.S. air bases in Germany, Spain, the Azores, and Italy to refuel, one person familiar with the trips said, but never in Glasgow, which is a commercial airport, meaning fuel is more expensive. If the plane did indeed need to stop in the U.K. to refuel, Politico reports, it could have landed at Lakenheath Air Base in England.

They have racked up 11 million dollars in expenses at this commercial airport next to Trump's golf course. The airport was in danger of closing due to financial reasons. Trump's course was 3 million in the red last year, now 4 million in the black, after the US taxpayers rescued the airport.
 
:lol: I remember some of the press were furious because the President went somewhere without telling until after he had been there.

It seems like the aircraft the President is on should be flown to where ever the President wishes to go. I'm fairly certain it has always worked this way. That said, you could send a letter to the White House explaining to the pilot and co-pilot why they should fly Air Force One where you say it should be flown to. Good luck with that. :thumbs:

Why do you think Trump is on the plane? It's not AirForce 1
 
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