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Air Force crew made an odd stop on a routine trip: Trumps Scottish resort

Moon said:
Whenever the President or other high ranking member of the government travels, logistical support is required, and that will include cargo aircraft (sometimes several) to haul vehicles, personnel and equipment. Unless there is some real smoking gun showing there was corrupt intent here, this really is much ado about nothing.
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This had nothing to do with traveling with the President. This was a cargo plane that regularly flies supplies to Afghanistan, not any sort of government escort, Presidential or VP escort plane.
 
roguenuke said:
That isn't how this works at all, especially not if we have to pay out our own pockets at some fancy resort, that is at least an hour away from where the plane is (which means over 2 hours in a vehicle just to get between the two places, rather than being able to be right there near the airport (which gives more time to actually do things you want to do).
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Do you have a problem paying "out of our own pockets" to support illegal aliens?
 
apdst said:
Do you have a problem paying "out of our own pockets" to support illegal aliens?
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Yes. I have said multiple times I'm against illegal immigration. I simply don't think a wall is the answer.

This is much different though. This is our military members being used, and forced to stay at a place during a military mission that they will have to spend more money than they are given for per diem just to give our President more money. That is not right at all. It would be like forcing Navy Reservists to stay at the Outrigger Hotel on Oahu when they go for 2-3 weeks of duty working at the shipyard simply because someone higher up owns it (not saying someone who would have such influence owns that hotel, only using the first hotel that came to mind). That hotel would be much higher in price than our normal government per diem rate, even for Hawaii, and force reservists to not only spend money out of their pocket to make up the difference, but also force them to waste time getting to and from their actual duty spot, when there are closer options. I've gotten per diem. It is actually pretty good in most places, so having to spend their own money is wrong.
 
roguenuke said:
Yes. I have said multiple times I'm against illegal immigration. I simply don't think a wall is the answer.

This is much different though. This is our military members being used, and forced to stay at a place during a military mission that they will have to spend more money than they are given for per diem just to give our President more money. That is not right at all. It would be like forcing Navy Reservists to stay at the Outrigger Hotel on Oahu when they go for 2-3 weeks of duty working at the shipyard simply because someone higher up owns it (not saying someone who would have such influence owns that hotel, only using the first hotel that came to mind). That hotel would be much higher in price than our normal government per diem rate, even for Hawaii, and force reservists to not only spend money out of their pocket to make up the difference, but also force them to waste time getting to and from their actual duty spot, when there are closer options. I've gotten per diem. It is actually pretty good in most places, so having to spend their own money is wrong.
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Admit it, you're ok with open borders.

Me? I'm ok with spending extra money showing the troops a good time.
 
MTAtech said:
I'll answer the second question first. Why do they do not have all the facts yet? Because the Pentagon refuse to answer any questions about this matter, which is highly unusual. If there was a simple explanation that showed there was no wrongdoing, the Pentagon would have responded to Congressional inquiries. Since they refuse, it points to the allegations being substantiated.
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If you want to impugn the pentagon for not being forthcoming, im in total agreement. The next part is where our opinions deviate. Whatever it points to, it is irresponsible for any supposed news organazation to jump to as a conclusion. They are blurring the line between journalism and editorials.

"Why does anyone care...?" Less than three years ago, Republicans were making all kinds of {false} accusations about Hillary being corrupt. You all seemed to care about corruption then. However, just like Republican deficit hawkery when Democrats are in office, they care not about deficits nor blatant corruption when Republicans are in office.
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Ftr i was rqually critical of conservative media for the same crap



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roguenuke said:
That isn't how this works at all, especially not if we have to pay out our own pockets at some fancy resort, that is at least an hour away from where the plane is (which means over 2 hours in a vehicle just to get between the two places, rather than being able to be right there near the airport (which gives more time to actually do things you want to do).
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It's not just one flight, this has been going on for years. Prestwick airport has taken in $11million in landing fees and fuel since 2017 when these flights began. Who knows how much Trump has taken at Turnberry when the crew per diems don't cover the accommodation charges!
Like Turnberry, Prestwick was losing money. Now they are both nearly breaking even. Trump needs Prestwick to stay open to fly the guests in to Turnberr., Even though it's twenty miles away, it's forty miles to the next nearest international airport. It's a twofer.
 
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apdst said:
Admit it, you're ok with open borders.

Me? I'm ok with spending extra money showing the troops a good time.
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Except they are the ones spending their money (or going hungry because they simply can't afford such a luxury on government per diem rates) and our money on Trump when they could have simply stayed closer or at a more familiar stop. They said they felt out of place there.

In Brazen Grift, Trump Made Air Force Stop at His Scotland Golf Course – Rolling Stone

“The crew were so confused by what was happening when they were rerouted to Scotland to refuel at this tiny airport outside of Trump Turnberry because they had never done that before in the fifty-plus trips they had taken to do these routine supply trips,” Natasha Betrand, who broke the story along with Bryan Bender, said on The Rachel Maddow Show on Friday. “They didn’t have enough money; their per diem allowance didn’t even allow them to buy food and drinks there. They felt totally out of place.”
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And seriously, you need to stop with the unfounded accusations. I have not once supported open borders. I believe in fair and reasonable immigration.
 
trouble13 said:
Is this one those things we are suppose to pretend we care about?

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Given as how so many on the right cared about how much Obama was spending on trips using military and Secret Service and calling it wasteful use of taxpayers' money, I would think that one might be concerned since Trump has already exceeded what Obama has done.

And remember when you guys got all upset over how Obama played golf during a storm or some other national emergency yet Trump gets a pass?

I guess its one of those things that when a liberal does it then the world is ending but when a conservative does it, meh, no big deal.
 
roguenuke said:
This had nothing to do with traveling with the President. This was a cargo plane that regularly flies supplies to Afghanistan, not any sort of government escort, Presidential or VP escort plane.
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Yes, I caught that, thanks.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont recon you did much deployed travel for your 'stint' dd you....
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If you might reckon rather than "recon" you might do better although any such hope would be dubious at best.






apdst said:
You claim to be a soldier and you're going to piss on the service like that?
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Trump's taking back the additional funding of the military he made so he can unconstitutionally build his wall. You think this is the best idea since sliced bread and Trump's sliced balls off the tee. You're wrong. You've got your head stuck in the sand trap. Fore!



apdst said:
Do you have a problem paying "out of our own pockets" to support illegal aliens?
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See the above plse thx. Then go back down below again thx. Because Congress said no to funding Trump's Great Wall Paid For By Mexico yet Trump is going outside the Constitution to get the money from Pentagon anyway. The Trump Money Grab Back is coming from much needed military construction programs Congress authorized specifically. This will be settled in the courts by the majority of Right Wing justices at Scotus. This is yours and Trump's Amerika.
 
Praxas said:
Please show where they are "cheap" rates compared to other accommodations that are APPROVED for government spending.

You cons have accepted corruption because your messiah Trump deems it so. Trump supporters have no ethics, morals or honesty.
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The article itself said they were cut rates.
 
Tangmo said:
If you might reckon rather than "recon" you might do better although any such hope would be dubious at best.








Trump's taking back the additional funding of the military he made so he can unconstitutionally build his wall. You think this is the best idea since sliced bread and Trump's sliced balls off the tee. You're wrong. You've got your head stuck in the sand trap. Fore!





See the above plse thx. Then go back down below again thx. Because Congress said no to funding Trump's Great Wall Paid For By Mexico yet Trump is going outside the Constitution to get the money from Pentagon anyway. The Trump Money Grab Back is coming from much needed military construction programs Congress authorized specifically. This will be settled in the courts by the majority of Right Wing justices at Scotus. This is yours and Trump's Amerika.
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Reckon, recon...your ass didnt do much traveling in your oh so significant military 'career'...now did it?

And of course....its NOT just your mindless hatred of Trump that has you ignoring a cited fact that the military has been stopping Glasgow for 80 YEARS...right?

:lamo

Yer dismissed.
 
Jason Warfield said:
Given as how so many on the right cared about how much Obama was spending on trips using military and Secret Service and calling it wasteful use of taxpayers' money, I would think that one might be concerned since Trump has already exceeded what Obama has done.

And remember when you guys got all upset over how Obama played golf during a storm or some other national emergency yet Trump gets a pass?

I guess its one of those things that when a liberal does it then the world is ending but when a conservative does it, meh, no big deal.
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You're making a fair point but it does not apply to me. I defended obama same as im defending Trump on this issue and same as i defended both of their predecessors.

Its absolute nonsense to worry about how many rounds of golf they play or how much time they spend at places other than the WH. Feel free to hold me accountable if i am inconsistent on this but dont hold your breath.



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From the article.

The Air Force confirmed that seven crew members stayed at Turnberry en route to Kuwait, but said “it did not appear” that they stayed at the hotel on the way back. There are more than two dozen hotels in and around Prestwick, but the Air Force said Trump Turnberry was the cheapest option available at the time and below the per diem allowance.
 
Rexedgar said:
I’m no geography major but, Scotland doesn’t seem like a natural layover for flights between the US and the Middle East.
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There are direct flights out of Chicago and NYC to Dubai and Qatar. Dubai and Qatar a common lay over stops to the middle east. My husband takes those flights all the time.

Scotland does seem strange, and out of the way. It's a northern country.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
From the article.

The Air Force confirmed that seven crew members stayed at Turnberry en route to Kuwait, but said “it did not appear” that they stayed at the hotel on the way back. There are more than two dozen hotels in and around Prestwick, but the Air Force said Trump Turnberry was the cheapest option available at the time and below the per diem allowance.
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:lamo
 
Fishking said:
1. What does Prestwick Airport have to do with anything you're trying to assert? Unless you can show the air port is providing kickbacks to the resort, you make no point.

2. Providing military members cheap rates for a luxury resort is not a money-making scheme. It's called being considerate.

3. What a fail thread.
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The crux of the article: ...Taken together, the incidents raise the possibility that the military has helped keep Trump’s Turnberry resort afloat — the property lost $4.5 million in 2017, but revenue went up $3 million in 2018..."

The issue is whether the President enriched himself at taxpayer expense. That is called corruption. Until recently it was un-American. The article did not say he did; but it does raise good questions for intelligent and vigilant citizens. Why are you dismissing the question? You are in know position to know the answer. Why are not, as a concerned citizen, at least curious?
 
Somerville said:
The questions about C-17s stopping at Prestwick Airport have nothing to do with presidential travels. The C-17 Globemaster is used primarily to carry supplies to US military units all over the world.
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C17s also provide all the logistical support for when the president travels. How do you think the limo and all the cards for the motorcade get to wherever the president is.
 
MTAtech said:
From the article in post #1:
"...the military has spent $11 million on fuel at the Prestwick Airport — the closest airport to Trump Turnberry — since October 2017, fuel that would be cheaper if purchased at a U.S. military base."
"... the incidents raise the possibility that the military has helped keep Trump’s Turnberry resort afloat — the property lost $4.5 million in 2017, but revenue went up $3 million in 2018."
While the claim is that Trump provided "cheap rates" is undercut by one of the crew that wrote:
"..the crew’s per diem allowance wasn’t enough to cover food and drinks at the ritzy resort {let alone the room}."



It's really true, your side, which railed against corruption {that ended up not being corruption} in 2016, look the other way when the corruption is Trump's.
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You do realize that their is a difference between lodging expenses and the per diem given to service members when they travel. And hotels all over the world have special discount rates for us government employees. That doesn't make the food or drinks Amy cheaper.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The issue is not that the air plane stopped in Glasgow, but that the air crew stayed at the Turnberry resort 53.8 miles from the airport. A luxury resort owned by Trump. I am sure there are plenty of hotels closer to the airport at more standard rates and expenses than a luxury resort 53.8 miles from the air port


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This air crew was not flying in support of the President or of VP Pence but on a routine shipment of supplies to Kuwait




So from appearance the military is funneling members to stay at Trumps resort, on a regular basis, when it was not done before, to support Trump's business
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So the left is claiming that the Trump administration is telling service members what hotel to stay in. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is

I have literally stayed in hundreds of hotels while in the military and no one higher then my company commander has ever been involved in what hotel I stay at. The vast majority of the time service members pick what ever hotel they feel like staying at. Which I almost guarantee is the case here.
It's just some from the left suffering from TDS
 
iguanaman said:
Regardless of what they spent, it is against military regulations, crews must use military bases for layovers. This is more blatant corruption of our military by Trump's cabal.
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What are you talking about. Service members stay of military lodging all the time. I have done it many times every single year.

You really should stop Trump live rent free in your head.
 
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