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MSgt said:
Your wealth? Were your tax-cuts permanent or are you among the many in the Middle Class who is going to get bitch slapped with the rising debt? And our government seems to give a lot of subsidies and bail-outs for something called a "free-market." You deny, because you cling to a broken ideology that you never cared to even think through as your government consistently makes a joke of it right to your face.
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Proof or evidence. I received my tax cut. My taxes are lower this year than last. My tax cuts would have been permanent had leftists liberals not blocked the bill.
So once again the people that i see not wanting me to keep more of my own money are leftist. YOu don't seem to understand that it is the free market that generates growth and
prosperity not the government. No i am denying what you say is true because you cling to a broken ideology that never care to even think through as your government consistently passes laws or try's to pass laws to keep you enslaved to it vs making yourself a more independent productive person.

You deny science, because it is inconvenient to your partisan politics. The evidence is painfully clear that this Global Warming period has almost everything to do with the Industrial Age, which is why the extreme measurements are unprecedented in the history of the world. And the pathetic thing is that the GOP/DNC once led the world in Global Warming awareness in the 1970s/80s before the GOP decided that political extremism against "the left" was the best way to serve their donors (I mean voters). And you allowed yourself to be led by the nose.
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Deny what? you didn't read. I just said that Global warming is a scientific theory of what can happen or occur in an run away greenhouse emission issue. We have seen examples in what are extreme cases
such as Venus. We have seen it in other planets that have massive amount and i mean massive amount of greenhouse particles. i mean they make up like 50-75-99% of the planets atmosphere.
We have not seen such an affect on earth. You would be dead yet you are still alive.

Here, your need to deny is beyond pathetic. But as a FOX News viewer, I will just assume that you are ill informed. Trickle-down economics, championed by Ronald Reagan, also called trickle-down theory, refers to the economic proposition that taxes on businesses and the wealthy in society should be reduced as a means to stimulate business investment in the short term and benefit society at large in the long term. To make this simpler, the theory hinges on the notion that the wealthy are job creators and that all that tax-cut money will "trickle down" to regular folk. Reagan sincerely believed in it, but the Great Recession proved that it was a con game. Trillions remained un-invested by the wealthy, because expansion needs consumers, and government bailed-out banks and corporations laid people off while seizing their homes and small businesses. The fact that the GOP is behind the very public engineering of Trickle-Down economics, and that you claim that it doesn't exist, tells me and everyone reading that you haven't a clue about your Party's ideologies or what you even believe in <----This would be what is beyond pathetic.
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Your need to quote inaccurate leftist mantra's is i know the only thing you can do.
Trickle Down Economics Does Not Exist -- The Benefits of Capitalism Do

There is no such thing as trickle down economics. Please educate yourself on something other than wiki which is not even allowed to be used in college term papers.

But, what theory do you think Trump's permanent tax-cuts to the wealthy was based on? You deny, because it is in your partisan interests to deny or you sincerely are clueless.
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Why didn't the left vote to make everyone's tax cut permanent? i am paying less taxes than i did. because of those on the left my taxes are going to go up unless
they do something to leave them in place. Trump offered a tax cut and 80% of americans received a tax cut.
80% of people are paying less taxes this year than they did last year.

So why are you leftists against me keeping more of my money? I honestly don't care how much money someone has. i don't have wealth jealousy issues like the leftist do.
then again they never live up to their own mantra's anyway. live as i say not as i do etc ...

So far i haven't denied anything.

Facts and truth don't need political balance. And you are very wrong:
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So far you haven't posted any facts. let me know when you find some.
actually i am very right. as i have just posted in this response.
 
haymarket said:
Hate of Trump is very sane and very rational and very well founded. Any patriotic American understands this perfectly.

Hat of something very bad is a very positive emotion.
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Any patriotic American? False dichotomy. Debate master is using emotional causes and illogical conclusions in place of genuine debate. Fail.
 
TurtleDude said:
when gun banners talk about specific mass shootings-they only talk about ones perpetrated by white men, who use modern sporting rifles. However, when they talk about the need to ban "assault weapons" they include every shooting where 4 or more people are injured, and then pretend most of those involved the same type of shooter and the same type of firearm
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Um..because the mass shooters are routinely white men/children?

You think anybody cares about gang warfare, where they kill their own in a drive-by? You think anybody cares about organized crime where somebody gets assassinated within the organization? Or suicides where the victim is a single person? Or an idiot father who gives his 8-year old an uzi on the range so that she can accidentally kill the instructor?

This is how people like you avoid the problem. You pretend that an irrational person going into a preschool, a high school, a theater, or a music concert to massacre as many strangers as possible, and for no reason at all, is the same thing as the routine crime that America was used to. But now, we are quite used to slaughtered masses, aren't we? We have actually accepted it as normal. Heard about the 14-year old that slaughtered his family with a 9MM? Did you shrug like I did? The difference between us is that I didn't rush to cling to my weapons in the fear that "the left" is coming.



And yes, a person like me can't stand that civilians seem to constantly want my M-16 to do their deed. Here's some history for others who might read this (not so much you):

- By the late 1920s, the crime rate rose dramatically where criminals were using weapons like the Tommy Gun or the sawed-off shotgun. The Tommy Gun became infamous during the U.S. Prohibition era (1920–33) for its use by gangsters in mass killings such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre. People across the country eventually became fed up. New York eventually banned the Tommy Gun I think in 1933. States across the country began to follow suit. In the meantime, Roosevelt who was that governor of New York, became President. He favored at least a registration law for machine guns.

What bothers me most about when I present some historical facts to you people is that you will dismiss it while trying to own the slogan "those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it." But can you manage to see the difference between the eras here? Gangsters were killing gangsters, or killing civilians in bank robberies, etc. They were not simply going into a school and massacring for the sake of massacring. Today's toy of choice for the irrationally stupid is the AR-15, which is exactly why "assault rifles" comes into the conversation. Were they using sling shots, the discussion would be about sling shots, much like during Prohibition the discussion centered around the Tommy Gun. And instead of what the American population did in the past, today's American population must contend with an element that is in so much denial of the reality that the very position of having one's head up his/her ass is actually comforting. But, like the Prohibition era, people are getting fed up. And what have you done about anything in the meantime, but deny the realty and insist that the most extreme anti-gun voices gather a bigger and bigger crowd?
 
MSgt said:
Um..because the mass shooters are routinely white men/children?

You think anybody cares about gang warfare, where they kill their own in a drive-by? You think anybody cares about organized crime where somebody gets assassinated within the organization? Or suicides where the victim is a single person? Or an idiot father who gives his 8-year old an uzi on the range so that she can accidentally kill the instructor?

This is how people like you avoid the problem. You pretend that an irrational person going into a preschool, a high school, a theater, or a music concert to massacre as many strangers as possible, and for no reason at all, is the same thing as the routine crime that America was used to. But now, we are quite used to slaughtered masses, aren't we? We have actually accepted it as normal. Heard about the 14-year old that slaughtered his family with a 9MM? Did you shrug like I did? The difference between us is that I didn't rush to cling to my weapons in the fear that "the left" is coming.



And yes, a person like me can't stand that civilians seem to constantly want my M-16 to do their deed. Here's some history for others who might read this (not so much you):

- By the late 1920s, the crime rate rose dramatically where criminals were using weapons like the Tommy Gun or the sawed-off shotgun. The Tommy Gun became infamous during the U.S. Prohibition era (1920–33) for its use by gangsters in mass killings such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre. People across the country eventually became fed up. New York eventually banned the Tommy Gun I think in 1933. States across the country began to follow suit. In the meantime, Roosevelt who was that governor of New York, became President. He favored at least a registration law for machine guns.

What bothers me most about when I present some historical facts to you people is that you will dismiss it while trying to own the slogan "those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it." But can you manage to see the difference between the eras here? Gangsters were killing gangsters, or killing civilians in bank robberies, etc. They were not simply going into a school and massacring for the sake of massacring. Today's toy of choice for the irrationally stupid is the AR-15, which is exactly why "assault rifles" comes into the conversation. Were they using sling shots, the discussion would be about sling shots, much like during Prohibition the discussion centered around the Tommy Gun. And instead of what the American population did in the past, today's American population must contend with an element that is in so much denial of the reality that the very position of having one's head up his/her ass is actually comforting. But, like the Prohibition era, people are getting fed up. And what have you done about anything in the meantime, but deny the realty and insist that the most extreme anti-gun voices gather a bigger and bigger crowd?
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do some research. tommy guns were very rare, used in only a few crimes, and most of the ones gangsters used-along with the other automatic weapon of that time-the BAR-were stolen from government arsenals.


I get you don't like the politics of pro gun advocates, but trying to ban AR 15s is unconstitutional and would brand any government that does it as ROGUE
 
TurtleDude said:
none of your factual assertions come close to backing up your arguments or conclusions
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that is the problem with ideology. it doesn't allow you to actually see facts of any kind more so those that go against your ideology.
 
MSgt said:
Say's one of the chief deniers on the website who can't tell fact from fiction thanks to your dedication to Fox News propaganda. I went ahead and informed ludin of the facts and truths about what I asserted, argued, and concluded.

And the pathetic thing here is that I make it obvious that my MO involves primary documentation, which I often provide so that others can educate themselves beyond their personal need to satisfy their obviously busted ideologies. Yet, still, people like you actually prefer your busted ideologies.

I have told you repeatedly, that your determination to see absolutely nothing done about these escalating mass shootings will eventually give the power to those who will do something extreme. You think San Francisco's little declaration is the last? We have already seen businesses since last year, and now Wal-Mart, jump on the bandwagon. Even your idiot representative in the White House has declared that the GOP is frightened of the NRA. This is not the ACLU. This is big business and the NRA acts as a conduit of funds from gun manufacturer to Republican Senator. In the meantime, the NRA tells you that they care about your rights? BS. They care about sales. This is the dip**** organization that argued against banning Bump Fires after the Vegas shooter shot hundreds, despite the fact that Bump Fires help shooters get around the National automatic gun laws/policies. But you will turn around and declare that "we should just enforce the laws we have," huh?

If the NRA was benevolent and cared more about your rights, they would work with politicians to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill/unstable and children, beyond writing up a pamphlet on safety. Give it another year and about ten more mass shootings. Who knows where we will be then as you continue your obtuse game that nothing is better than something. Your irresponsibility is what endangers my Right. YOU are the problem, not "the left" who, by the way, are also gun owners.
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Walmart is a private business it can not allow guns if it doesn't want to. Guess what? that is not going to stop someone from doing another mass shooting there.
People that have CC permits you won't know have them which is the whole point of conceal carry.

There is nothing escalating about them other than the news that continues to feed your boogy man of them.
From the northwestern uninversity that tracks mass shootings from 2006-2019.

there is an average of about 22-24 mass shootings a year. in 2019 we have had 19 officially labeled mass shootings.
The worst were in 2008, 2011,2015 with 27 and 25 and 25.

From 2016-2019 (so far) the number of mass shootings have declined.

So I am not sure what Facts you are telling people but they are not correct.

There are already laws to keep guns of those peoples hands. the failures begin at the local level.
IE doctors not reporting those things to the FBI etc for fear of being sued over HIPA violations.

no the left is the problem in wanting to take legal rights away from innocent people.

So what is the difference between a semi-auto 30-06 and an AR15?

ol yea PS an AR15 is not an assault rifle by definition the ATF heavily regulates assault rifles.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Any patriotic American? False dichotomy. Debate master is using emotional causes and illogical conclusions in place of genuine debate. Fail.
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Hating Trump is a very logical conclusion when considering what he is doing to America.
 
haymarket said:
At that time in history and given the realities of British rule, they most certainly were by the standards of the day. Violent revolution to give power to the people and throw down the old order is very leftist.
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At this time in history what was left is right. Democrats are the new "old order"

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Eriech said:
At this time in history what was left is right. Democrats are the new "old order"

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So what does that make modern Republicans?
 
TurtleDude said:
Yeah I know, you are mad that the NRA backs Republican and conservative candidates.
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Well, the question is why:

- Why would even Trump declare that the GOP is afraid of the NRA?
- Why would they be?
- And why does the GOP consistently obey the NRA's guidance against even the simplest thing, like banning the sales of Bump Fires that allow people to avoid the laws?

You can be a gun nut. You can admit that you simply like guns, which for some reason none of you really do. Nothing wrong with it. But when you blindly parade around and dismiss the cold hard facts and truth, just so that you can cling to the ideologies that you do not need in order to enjoy your guns, you aren't doing yourself any favors. The NRA, as an organization of lobbyists with economic ties to gun manufacturers, wants you to believe that they truly care about your rights, rather than gun purchases. They are just like another powerful lobby, the Israeli Lobby, which does not care about the well being of Americans. It's about business.

But eventually, the GOP will not be able to contain the NRA's demand that they spin, offer a prayer, and do nothing. And like I stated, it will be the NRA and persons like yourself who will be to blame. Another sad truth here is that even with what has already happened, the GOP is still unable to free itself from the NRA's sponsorship, which will eventually actually damage the ideals of the Second Amendment.
 
Saying something is from the fbi means nothing. Showing where the numbers come from mean something.
 
ludin said:
Proof or evidence. I received my tax cut. My taxes are lower this year than last. My tax cuts would have been permanent had leftists liberals not blocked the bill.
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No...they would not. Would you like me to pretend that you actually care to use your sense of reason? ......

- President George H. W. Bush was famous for "Read My Lips, No New Taxes" in his election campaign of 1988. Before the end of his first term, he and his economists recognized that because of almost 12 years of Reaganomics (tax-cuts + increased spending), he had to raise taxes to deal with the national debt. This sort of thing hurts the wider economy. Even so, Republicans betrayed him and Clinton won the election in 1992. And it was he who went on to deal with debt and deficit by cutting welfare costs, military costs (but not Defense Contract bloat), and raising certain taxes.

Republicans betrayed H.W. Bush for the same reason you just wrote. You think in terms of what is now and in the present. You were never going to get permanent tax-cuts, because somebody breathing oxygen is going to have to pay for the debt and maintain government revenue. The Treasury cannot continue issuing American bonds to China forever. So, you can try to blame "leftist liberals" (as if you even know what you are talking about) as the GOP grins, but the truth of the matter is that somebody in either Party is going to eventually have to raise taxes in order to compensate for the loss of revenue as Trump increases government spending. Your tax-cuts, when they run out, will also see increased taxes.

But in the meantime, go ahead and enjoy that extra toaster or vacation trip this year while pretending that increased consumer costs, due to trade wars, and increased gasoline prices haven't nullified that false celebration. But do you know who is celebrating? Corporate elites and their wealthy investors who will keep celebrating when your tax-cuts expire.
 
MSgt said:
No...they would not. Would you like me to pretend that you actually care to use your sense of reason? ......
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yes my taxes where lower this year than last year you don't know what you are talking about. I did talk reason. I got a tax cut so did 80% of other americans.
Even the NY times had to admit that 80% of people received a tax cut. IE they paid less tax this year than last year.

Republicans betrayed H.W. Bush for the same reason you just wrote. You think in terms of what is now and in the present. You were never going to get permanent tax-cuts, because somebody breathing oxygen is going to have to pay for the debt and maintain government revenue. The Treasury cannot continue issuing American bonds to China forever. So, you can try to blame "leftist liberals" (as if you even know what you are talking about) as the GOP grins, but the truth of the matter is that somebody in either Party is going to eventually have to raise taxes in order to compensate for the loss of revenue as Trump increases government spending. Your tax-cuts, when they run out, will also see increased taxes.
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The reason i didn't get a permanent tax cut is because liberal leftists were blocking the bill.
When they were the ones that blocked a permanent bill i will blame them. who else should i blame?
I have yet to get a tax cut from a liberal but they sure like taking my hard worked money.

But in the meantime, go ahead and enjoy that extra toaster or vacation trip this year while pretending that increased consumer costs, due to trade wars, and increased gasoline prices haven't nullified that false celebration. But do you know who is celebrating? Corporate elites and their wealthy investors who will keep celebrating when your tax-cuts expire.
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Gas prices are still quiet low. i know at one point during the obama administration i was paying like over 3.50 for a gallon of gas.
Then i guess the leftist in congress that say they care about the working man should pass and make the middle class tax cuts permanent shouldn't they?

ol yea the republicans tried to make them permanent and the leftist once again sank the bill.
so much for being for the working class.

Honestly our tax system sucks.

we should be more like singapore where the average person making about 55k would pay about 4-5% income tax.
that sounds about right. you would hate it because their top marginal rate on anything over 322k is like 24%.

I know i know leftist hate prosperity and rich people (even though they are rich themselves funny how that is).
 
VanceMack said:
You should try following your own conversations.
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You're the only one to bring up cesspools. But for some odd reason, you can't locate them. Or why you think that way.

I do. I also notice you dodged the same question 2X. Now you throw deflection.
Lets make it 3x.
What cesspools are you referring to?

I guess you're just wasting people's time here?
 
MSgt said:
Well, the question is why:

- Why would even Trump declare that the GOP is afraid of the NRA?
- Why would they be?
- And why does the GOP consistently obey the NRA's guidance against even the simplest thing, like banning the sales of Bump Fires that allow people to avoid the laws?

You can be a gun nut. You can admit that you simply like guns, which for some reason none of you really do. Nothing wrong with it. But when you blindly parade around and dismiss the cold hard facts and truth, just so that you can cling to the ideologies that you do not need in order to enjoy your guns, you aren't doing yourself any favors. The NRA, as an organization of lobbyists with economic ties to gun manufacturers, wants you to believe that they truly care about your rights, rather than gun purchases. They are just like another powerful lobby, the Israeli Lobby, which does not care about the well being of Americans. It's about business.

But eventually, the GOP will not be able to contain the NRA's demand that they spin, offer a prayer, and do nothing. And like I stated, it will be the NRA and persons like yourself who will be to blame. Another sad truth here is that even with what has already happened, the GOP is still unable to free itself from the NRA's sponsorship, which will eventually actually damage the ideals of the Second Amendment.
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your side is desperately in need of such things. come back when you have some.
 
haymarket said:
You display such a soft and tender heart. Can I offer you a kleenex?
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I'm not the one dragging emotion into my responses and using it in place of logic. Orange man bad syndrome shouldn't be used in place of decision making and personal responsibility.

I do not like all the choices Trump has made, but using it as a childish excuse for bad behavior is just pathetic.
 
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