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Judicial Watch Finds Documents Showing Fusion GPS Working Directly With Obama's DOJ to Frame Trump

Thanks from a neutral party to both @OpportunityCost and @Moot for your point/counterpoint. I wish it weren't the only thing worth reading in this thread, but that makes it all the more appreciable. 'Likes' to both of you. :)
 
Why would anyone trust Judicial Watch they're clearly biased toward Conservatives...

One shouldn't trust Judicial Watch because they tell lies, which disqualifies them as a legitimate credible source. End of story.

Record of "False" or "Misleading" Statements

Some statements from Judicial Watch officials have been deemed untrue by various news outlets.[5]

In 2017, an article published by Judicial Watch claimed that an "Anti-Trump" billboard was funded with public money citing "city documents." The Republic says that this assertion is "False."

In 2017, Judicial Watch president Thomas Fitton stated that there was "credible evidence" of DNC staffer Seth Rich was murdered in relation to the WikiLeaks release of 20,000 emails.[14] In 2018, The BBC called that theory a conspiracy "based on little or no evidence."[15]

In 2015, Judicial Watch asserted that ISIS, the terrorist group, has a base eight miles from the U.S. border in Mexico according to anonymous sources. Similar claims have been made in the past, but no independent outlet has been able to confirm such a claim. Politifactrated the claim "False."[16]

In 2013, Judicial Watch claimed that the Obama Justice Department’s had a role in organizing protests following the death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed African American boy who George Zimmerman killed supposedly in "self-defense." Judicial Watch's findings were based on an FOIA response. The report went on the garner attention from The Heritage Foundation, The Daily Caller and Rush Limbaugh who claimed: "Obama Regime Organized Trayvon Protests." Politifact evaluated the assertion and rated it "Mostly False."[7]

Other news outlets such as FactCheck.org, among others have also rather Judicial Watch's claims, dating back at least to 2008, as false.[8]
 
Typical right wing bull****. Use the word "frame" in the headline and then give absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Is it because you cannot believe a sitting president could do something so crooked, or is it that you cannot believe a democrat president could be so crooked?
 
I knew this BS deflection was coming, when the message is complete fabricated nonsense. yes, shooting the messenger is credible. YOu conservatives think just repeating the same lies with no facts over and over is credible. So nobody cares what you dishonest people think is credible
The above is silly. You have no idea if it is or isn't "fabricated nonsense", because you gave it no consideration.

Dismissal, it's your response because you don't want to discuss the content.

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How am I supposed to dispute documents I haven’t seen? Their link doesn’t work

Got it working.

These documents do not support the assertion hat Trump is being framed. At all. It’s just a list of names of people and a brief description of how Trump is associated with them.
 
The above is silly. You have no idea if it is or isn't "fabricated nonsense", because you gave it no consideration.

Dismissal, it's your response because you don't want to discuss the content.

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I looked at the documents. They don’t even make a claim of a “frame” job.
 
Wait, you haven't even seen the documents and are drawing conclusions?

How was this admission supposed to help the case?

I’ve seen them now. The link didn’t like my iPad. The documents literally don’t even allege a frame job. So, there’s no case to evaluate. Judicial watch invented that out of whole cloth.

It’s a classic propaganda tactic. Cite a source and wildly misrepresent it, knowing that none of the right wing dupes it’s aimed at will ever follow up. Anyone with even basic familiarity with Judicial Watch would have been skeptical to begin with.
 
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Typical right wing bull****. Use the word "frame" in the headline and then give absolutely no evidence to back it up.
The entire article was a description of "documents showing the Obama Justice Department working directly with Fusion GPS, a research firm hired by the Clinton campaign, to frame President Trump."
At this late date are you not aware of what Fusion is, how they came to be so notorious, the players, who paid them, and what they attempted to do for their benefactors? Really? You didn't know that?
 
The above is silly. You have no idea if it is or isn't "fabricated nonsense", because you gave it no consideration.

Dismissal, it's your response because you don't want to discuss the content.

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You didn’t read the documents either!
 
The entire article was a description of "documents showing the Obama Justice Department working directly with Fusion GPS, a research firm hired by the Clinton campaign, to frame President Trump."
At this late date are you not aware of what Fusion is, how they came to be so notorious, the players, who paid them, and what they attempted to do for their benefactors? Really? You didn't know that?

I know who Fusion GPS. The dip****s at Judicial Watch claim an active attempt to “frame” Trump is shown in these documents. It’s not. These documents show a lawful investigation.
 
I’ve seen them now. The link didn’t like my iPad. The documents literally don’t even allege a frame job. So, there’s no case to evaluate. Judicial watch invented that out of whole cloth.

It’s a classic propaganda tactic. Cite a source and wildly misrepresent it, knowing that none of the right wing dupes it’s aimed at will ever follow up. Anyone with even basic familiarity with Judicial Watch would have been skeptical to begin with.

Elaborate?

I hope this isn't one of those circumstances where it must be spelled out explicitly or it doesnt count.

Like that fairly recent issue where they passed the infanticide bill in New York, and then say "it's not infanticide, its abortion" when the person describes the process as "we deliver the baby and keep it comfortable while a conversation is had" (the conversation being whether or not to snap the babies neck).

Serious question : Do you REALLY expect this obfuscation to save those involved?
 
I know who Fusion GPS. The dip****s at Judicial Watch claim an active attempt to “frame” Trump is shown in these documents. It’s not. These documents show a lawful investigation.

Lawful investigation by whom?
 
Elaborate?

I hope this isn't one of those circumstances where it must be spelled out explicitly or it doesnt count.

Like that fairly recent issue where they passed the infanticide bill in New York, and then say "it's not infanticide, its abortion" when the person describes the process as "we deliver the baby and keep it comfortable while a conversation is had" (the conversation being whether or not to snap the babies neck).

Serious question : Do you REALLY expect this obfuscation to save those involved?

None of the documents show any evidence of Trump being “framed.” Judicial Watch made the claim knowing they’d never have to prove it to you, because you’d accept it without question.

The baby being discussed in that scenario has a fatal defect and is not going to survive. You would demand the government force the baby suffer.... why?
 
Lawful investigation by whom?

Nobody involved broke the law, the documents don’t provide evidence of any lawbreaking by investigators.
 
Nobody involved broke the law, the documents don’t provide evidence of any lawbreaking by investigators.

Lawbreaking? No.

****ing unethical bull**** that should get you fired and disbarred from government? Yes.
 
Lawbreaking? No.

****ing unethical bull**** that should get you fired and disbarred from government? Yes.

Post an excerpt from the documents you believe describes unethical behavior.
 
Post an excerpt from the documents you believe describes unethical behavior.

Nellie Ohr passing Fusion GPS opposition research directly to her husband for use at the FBI without any vetting or fact checking of the documents. Fusion GPS used the FBI as a pass through to initiate further investigations.

HUGE conflict of interest and totally unethical on both parties. Further using this as part of evidence of for FISA surveillance? Red flag.
 
Nobody involved broke the law, the documents don’t provide evidence of any lawbreaking by investigators.

You must be joking. Nobody broke the law? That's not true even if limited to "the documents". And that's not considering the FISA abuse by any number of participants.

As for Bruce Ohr -
"A review of publicly available information causes a reasonable person to wonder whether Bruce Ohr broke the law by promoting his wife’s anti-Trump research to the FBI when he was working at the Justice Department.
The law prohibits public officials from involvement in matters in which their spouse has a financial interest. The question is, Did Ohr “personally and substantially” participate in a particular matter in which his spouse had a “financial interest” while he was employed by the Justice Department as the assistant attorney general? Let’s take a closer look."​
Why Bruce Ohr Pushing His Wife's Oppo Research To The FBI Is Huge
And that's from a year ago.
The FOIA documents confirm that happened.

Ohr was feeding Steele information from Fusion (through Nellie) even after Steele was fired by the FBI and he wasn't telling them it came through his wife from her employer.
And Ohr responsibilities didn't include the Russian investigation anyway.
“Nobody knew. He didn’t tell anybody,” said one former DOJ official who worked with Ohr, who had been associate deputy attorney general. “It was completely outside the scope of what he was asked to do. It wasn’t even close to his job.”​
Bruce Ohr bypassed DOJ superiors to feed FBI info from Trump dossier author: Report
Also from a year ago.

Yeah. Ohr is likely the first of several in a world of hurt over their involvement.
 
One shouldn't trust Judicial Watch because they tell lies, which disqualifies them as a legitimate credible source. End of story.

Jesus Crhist that is some Alex Jonesian-level idiocy right there! Unbelievable...
 
Nellie Ohr passing Fusion GPS opposition research directly to her husband for use at the FBI without any vetting or fact checking of the documents. Fusion GPS used the FBI as a pass through to initiate further investigations.

HUGE conflict of interest and totally unethical on both parties. Further using this as part of evidence of for FISA surveillance? Red flag.

Show me the support for this claim in the documents. What page of which document can I find this?
 
Obama administration... just like a 3rd world ****hole banana republic, or your typical tyrannical Communists.

They plundered the Treasury too, just like the Republicans. They are not communists.
 
No, I am going to say the FBI hid the nature of the dossier and passed it off as being as credible as some of Steele's previous work product when it was not.

It's not?

What is your proof???

Steele presented as in his opinion to be 75% credible, to this point absolutely nothing has been disproven...
 
It's not?

What is your proof???

Steele presented as in his opinion to be 75% credible, to this point absolutely nothing has been disproven...

You find the Steele dossier to be credible? I don't.

The FISA court was scammed, and they probably knew it as it happened. That's how bad it is in Washington.
 
It's not?

What is your proof???

Steele presented as in his opinion to be 75% credible, to this point absolutely nothing has been disproven...

Mueller report on the FISA applications placing the information that the dossier was both not vetted or investigated and was dependent upon Steele's reputation and not the veracity of the information contained in it.

Who gives a **** what Steele's opinion was? He completely discredited his "expert" opinion by shopping the ****ing thing and demonstrating outrageous bias.
 
Show me the support for this claim in the documents. What page of which document can I find this?

I'm supposed to ****ing prove something you know is already fact? That's some dishonest **** there.
 
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