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37 Years of Mass Shootings in the U.S. in One Chart

TurtleDude said:
The time lines are not even

there has not been a case of a legal machine gun used in a murder save for a Dayton COP that I could ever find since 1940
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Which timeline are you saying is not even?
 
TurtleDude said:
you want laws that harass honest gun owners and when we don't support those things, you dishonestly claim we have no solutions to mass shooters. A lie of course. Focusing on your punitive desires against people who don't support your leftwing agenda is far worse than doing "nothing"
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That's not a proposal. It's just more of the NRA rhetoric ---> WE-ARE-SO-POWERLESS-TO-DO-ANYTHING-ABOUT-MASS-MURDERS.
 
jdog21 said:
Which timeline are you saying is not even?
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in evaluating the clinton gun ban-the number of mass shootings before the ban and after the ban should be the same time period. and the definition of mass shootings is subject to massive debate
 
Media_Truth said:
That's not a proposal. It's just more of the NRA rhetoric ---> WE-ARE-SO-POWERLESS-TO-DO-ANYTHING-ABOUT-MASS-MURDERS.
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stop lying. armed citizens are a far better answer as is getting rid of gun free zones, than your silly desires to harass honest people with stupid gun laws
 
TurtleDude said:
The time lines are not even

there has not been a case of a legal machine gun used in a murder save for a Dayton COP that I could ever find since 1940
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Just because something wasn't/hasn't been detected doesn't by any means definitely prove it hasn't happened.
 
TurtleDude said:
in evaluating the clinton gun ban-the number of mass shootings before the ban and after the ban should be the same time period. and the definition of mass shootings is subject to massive debate
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Well its true of the time frame in which the crime was committed but their is no evidence of the assault weapons ban playing any role, those gun could have been legally obtained before the ban. Just something I wanted to note incase someone wants to spend the time researching that aspect of it.
 
jdog21 said:
Well its true of the time frame in which the crime was committed but their is no evidence of the assault weapons ban playing any role, those gun could have been legally obtained before the ban. Just something I wanted to note incase someone wants to spend the time researching that aspect of it.
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there is no evidence that the clinton gunban had any value in terms of public safety.
 
Logician Man said:
Just because something wasn't/hasn't been detected doesn't by any means definitely prove it hasn't happened.
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That's really funny but the fact that no case has ever been reported is a pretty strong argument that legal machine guns in private hands were not a problem yet the scum bag Democrats still demanded that citizens could no longer buy-(which involved all sorts of paperwork and waits) them despite zero cases of crime
 
TurtleDude said:
That's really funny but the fact that no case has ever been reported is a pretty strong argument that legal machine guns in private hands were not a problem yet the scum bag Democrats still demanded that citizens could no longer buy-(which involved all sorts of paperwork and waits) them despite zero cases of crime
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//// scum bag democrats //// It appears you've adopted using marke's rather silly, asinine rhetoric more and more in your posts when referring to those whose political ideology differs from yours. Not a good look at all.
 
I have a hypothetical question for the forum in general.

For the sake of argument, let's pretend we have the U.S. in an alternate universe where we have everything we have today as far as technology is concerned, except for the invention of guns. Would you prefer to live in the U.S of the current universe (with guns) or in the alternate universe's U.S.? Please explain your choice. I'm very interested to read your answers on this question.
 
fireflygmf said:
I have a hypothetical question for the forum in general.

For the sake of argument, let's pretend we have the U.S. in an alternate universe where we have everything we have today as far as technology is concerned, except for the invention of guns. Would you prefer to live in the U.S of the current universe (with guns) or in the alternate universe's U.S.? Please explain your choice. I'm very interested to read your answers on this question.
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Current.

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TurtleDude said:
stop lying. armed citizens are a far better answer as is getting rid of gun free zones, than your silly desires to harass honest people with stupid gun laws
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You accuse me of lies? Citizens have been arming themselves out the teeth for many years, and now we're seeing mass murders almost daily. Talk to you NRA about lies. They've lied you right into are of puppetry.
 
Media_Truth said:
You accuse me of lies? Citizens have been arming themselves out the teeth for many years, and now we're seeing mass murders almost daily. Talk to you NRA about lies. They've lied you right into are of puppetry.
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more oozing idiocy. You gun banners keep saying a LOWER PERCENTAGE of American citizens have guns today than 40 years ago. Why weren't there all those "mass murders" back then?
 
TurtleDude said:
more oozing idiocy. You gun banners keep saying a LOWER PERCENTAGE of American citizens have guns today than 40 years ago. Why weren't there all those "mass murders" back then?
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You tell me!!!! Tell me anything. Come up with some viable solutions. All I hear from the Gun Crazed Element is "my guns, my guns, my guns". The rhetoric is no longer cutting it.
 
Media_Truth said:
You tell me!!!! Tell me anything. Come up with some viable solutions. All I hear from the Gun Crazed Element is "my guns, my guns, my guns". The rhetoric is no longer cutting it.
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here is the dishonesty I see.

Someone causes a crime. People like you use that crime to push for laws that won't stop the crimes but are designed to harass gun owners-because you are a left winger and you don't like our politics. When we point that out-you pretend that we -who have not caused any problems have a DUTY to find a solution or your non-solution will have to be implemented. That's complete BS. I don't have to come up with a solution or lose my rights.
 
TurtleDude said:
here is the dishonesty I see.

Someone causes a crime. People like you use that crime to push for laws that won't stop the crimes but are designed to harass gun owners-because you are a left winger and you don't like our politics. When we point that out-you pretend that we -who have not caused any problems have a DUTY to find a solution or your non-solution will have to be implemented. That's complete BS. I don't have to come up with a solution or lose my rights.
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I didn't even bring up Politics. I simply want the mass murders to end. I'm still waiting for the Political solutions from Trump and Graham. If they institute the "Red Flag Laws" and more involved background checks, that they PROMISED, I will be happy with that move. Yes, I would like to see more, like an assault weapons ban, but I would accept that compromise for now, and see how it plays out.
 
Media_Truth said:
I didn't even bring up Politics. I simply want the mass murders to end. I'm still waiting for the Political solutions from Trump and Graham. If they institute the "Red Flag Laws" and more involved background checks, that they PROMISED, I will be happy with that move. Yes, I would like to see more, like an assault weapons ban, but I would accept that compromise for now, and see how it plays out.
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meaning down the road you still want bans. what will you give up as a compromise.
 
TurtleDude said:
meaning down the road you still want bans. what will you give up as a compromise.
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I explained my position, so why do you put words into my mouth? I am more than willing to register my gun.
 
Media_Truth said:
I explained my position, so why do you put words into my mouth? I am more than willing to register my gun.
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what good do you see coming from such an action? and why do you support banning millions upon millions of lawfully owned and used firearms?
 
TurtleDude said:
what good do you see coming from such an action? and why do you support banning millions upon millions of lawfully owned and used firearms?
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You're spinning in circles. I just said this - "I'm still waiting for the Political solutions from Trump and Graham. If they institute the "Red Flag Laws" and more involved background checks, that they PROMISED, I will be happy with that move. Yes, I would like to see more, like an assault weapons ban, but I would accept that compromise for now, and see how it plays out."

So let's agree to do the Trump/Graham "Red Flag" laws, with associated disarming, "Background Checks", and let that play out.
 
Media_Truth said:
You're spinning in circles. I just said this - "I'm still waiting for the Political solutions from Trump and Graham. If they institute the "Red Flag Laws" and more involved background checks, that they PROMISED, I will be happy with that move. Yes, I would like to see more, like an assault weapons ban, but I would accept that compromise for now, and see how it plays out."

So let's agree to do the Trump/Graham "Red Flag" laws, with associated disarming, "Background Checks", and let that play out.
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Violates several constitutional provisions unless there is all sorts of safeguards. And that would require draconian penalties to anyone who falsely flags another
 
Media_Truth said:
You're spinning in circles. I just said this - "I'm still waiting for the Political solutions from Trump and Graham. If they institute the "Red Flag Laws" and more involved background checks, that they PROMISED, I will be happy with that move. Yes, I would like to see more, like an assault weapons ban, but I would accept that compromise for now, and see how it plays out."

So let's agree to do the Trump/Graham "Red Flag" laws, with associated disarming, "Background Checks", and let that play out.
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Perfectly constitutional
 
vegas giants said:
Perfectly constitutional
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Absolutely! If it isn't constitutional to attempt to track madmen who want to perpetrate hate crimes, with weapons intended to kill large numbers of human beings, what would that say about our Constitution? And there is precedence. This is exactly what was done in the 1930s with the gangster element.
 
Media_Truth said:
Absolutely! If it isn't constitutional to attempt to track madmen who want to perpetrate hate crimes, with weapons intended to kill large numbers of human beings, what would that say about our Constitution? And there is precedence. This is exactly what was done in the 1930s with the gangster element.
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why the lies-there are NO weapons made currently that are designed to kill lots of humans that private citizens can legally buy
 
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