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37 Years of Mass Shootings in the U.S. in One Chart

Do you have some new information? How many mass murders have been thwarted by an armed person in the last 7 years.

I know I thwarted a potential act of violence (which could have easily turned into murder) by drawing a weapon on a thug who was out of control and threatening others. Nobody got hurt so that is why it did not make the news.
 
Be nice to dig a little deeper. How many of these were gang fights, party crashers or bar fights? How many were like Dayton and El Paso: planned out in advance.

Also be interesting to know how many were done with legally purchased guns.

SIAP. And, equally as sobering, how many would've been prevented with more comprehensive background checks?
 
How pathetic. You state something I did not say.

It's a safe bet that many of the shoppers were armed and yet no one engaged the shooter.

I wouldnt, if I was armed. Esp. not one wearing armor with a rifle. Citizens are by no means obligated to save others...it can get us killed (cops see our firearm), or get us arrested if we accidentally shoot a bystander or even damage property.

I'd escape and take as many people with me as I could, and cover our escape.

I'd only shoot if I was unable to escape and was cornered. What I havent read, and would like to know...were any of the dead/wounded carrying?
 
you're lying again. and many of those attacked could not have been legally armed

According to Mexican Foreign Secretary Marcelo Ebrard, seven Mexican citizens were killed and seven others were injured in the shooting.

It's interesting to note, that with all the statements from The Donald that so many south of the border are murderers and rapists (his own words), that they present a terrible danger to Americans, that apparently so many Americans in a border town like El Paso are not carrying firearms. Most adults could be...but they're not. Many probably have cc permits too...but were out shopping in a mall with lots of Mexicans, legal and non, and they felt perfectly safe, despite being surrounded by this supposed invasion of murderers and rapists.

Huh. Turns out...they all needed to fear a stupid, POS American loser that believed the crap spewed by The Donald instead.
 
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SIAP. And, equally as sobering, how many would've been prevented with more comprehensive background checks?

You might have too much confidence in the efficacy of the bureaucracy. :mrgreen:
 
I wouldnt, if I was armed. Esp. not one wearing armor with a rifle. Citizens are by no means obligated to save others...it can get us killed (cops see our firearm), or get us arrested if we accidentally shoot a bystander or even damage property.

I'd escape and take as many people with me as I could, and cover our escape.

I'd only shoot if I was unable to escape and was cornered. What I havent read, and would like to know...were any of the dead/wounded carrying?


Getting in the car and driving to the store can get us killed.... :)
 
SIAP. And, equally as sobering, how many would've been prevented with more comprehensive background checks?
A statistically insignifant number, most likely NONE.
 
"anti safety". The new lie of the Safe working conditions for criminals movement is pretending that their schemes to ban guns and harass lawful gun ownership is "gun safety". Its a joke and we all know it. gun safety is not advanced by banning stuff. Gun safety is not advanced by making lawful owners -who have never misused their guns-have to meet more requirements to prevent them from doing what they have yet to do.



You say what you do because you have a belief that needs no factual support that no gun law can improve public safety or gun safety without infringing on what you perceive as your 2A rights. Perhaps you also believe that no gun law can improve public safety or gun safety regardless.
 
You say what you do because you have a belief that needs no factual support that no gun law can improve public safety or gun safety without infringing on what you perceive as your 2A rights. Perhaps you also believe that no gun law can improve public safety or gun safety regardless.

I have been dealing with the anti rights movement for more than 40 years. I know what motivates its leaders. Its not public safety
 
It's interesting to note, that with all the statements from The Donald that so many south of the border are murderers and rapists (his own words), that they present a terrible danger to Americans, that apparently so many Americans in a border town like El Paso are not carrying firearms. Most adults could be...but they're not. Many probably have cc permits too...but were out shopping in a mall with lots of Mexicans, legal and non, and they felt perfectly safe, despite being surrounded by this supposed invasion of murderers and rapists.

Huh. Turns out...they all needed to fear a stupid, POS American loser that believed the crap spewed by The Donald instead.

I don't think TDS is helpful here and blaming the loser on Donald is just as stupid as blaming the GOP softball shooter on Bernie or the asshole in Dayton on Warren.
 
You say what you do because you have a belief that needs no factual support that no gun law can improve public safety or gun safety without infringing on what you perceive as your 2A rights. Perhaps you also believe that no gun law can improve public safety or gun safety regardless.

Attempts to keep thugs from obtaining guns has not worked in big cities with strict gun laws, but leftists keep saying stricter gun laws will work. They will not work. Leftists need to come to their senses.
 
It's on you.

well I guess your effort to pretend that CCW types didn't do anything is nothing more than baseless speculation on your part
 
I don't think TDS is helpful here and blaming the loser on Donald is just as stupid as blaming the GOP softball shooter on Bernie or the asshole in Dayton on Warren.

The only derangement is on the part of many Donald followers.

I see you could not actually argue the statements...facts pretty much...in my post.

And feel free to quote where Bernie has ever promoted violence (punching people, shooting people), hate and fear (they're murderers and rapists, they're invading, etc)? Delusional people imagine lots of things to act on...but when their leader states it all blatantly in his own words...it's not all delusion.
 
well I guess your effort to pretend that CCW types didn't do anything is nothing more than baseless speculation on your part

Did the CCW types do anything to stop the shooter?
 
The only derangement is on the part of many Donald followers.

I see you could not actually argue the statements...facts pretty much...in my post.

And feel free to quote where Bernie has ever promoted violence (punching people, shooting people), hate and fear (they're murderers and rapists, they're invading, etc)? Delusional people imagine lots of things to act on...but when their leader states it all blatantly in his own words...it's not all delusion.

its stupid to blame Donald, Bernie, Lieyawatha, etc for nutcase crazed killers.
 
Did the CCW types do anything to stop the shooter?

First, you have to prove some were there. You cannot. Your argument thus, again, FAILS
 
its stupid to blame Donald, Bernie, Lieyawatha, etc for nutcase crazed killers.

If you are gong to address the response, address the content in the original post. My "observations."

It's interesting to note, that with all the statements from The Donald that so many south of the border are murderers and rapists (his own words), that they present a terrible danger to Americans, that apparently so many Americans in a border town like El Paso are not carrying firearms. Most adults could be...but they're not. Many probably have cc permits too...but were out shopping in a mall with lots of Mexicans, legal and non, and they felt perfectly safe, despite being surrounded by this supposed invasion of murderers and rapists.

Huh. Turns out...they all needed to fear a stupid, POS American loser that believed the crap spewed by The Donald instead.​

It is opinion, based on observation & fact. As such, your arguments wouldnt necessarily be wrong...but it would be nice to see them based on the realities I wrote of.

And there is a difference between inciting violence and stating a political position. The Donald has done the former. No one has provided any examples of Bernie or Elizabeth Warren of doing so.Can you? They merely hold the latter.
 
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If you are gong to address the response, address the content in the original post. My "observations."

It's interesting to note, that with all the statements from The Donald that so many south of the border are murderers and rapists (his own words), that they present a terrible danger to Americans, that apparently so many Americans in a border town like El Paso are not carrying firearms. Most adults could be...but they're not. Many probably have cc permits too...but were out shopping in a mall with lots of Mexicans, legal and non, and they felt perfectly safe, despite being surrounded by this supposed invasion of murderers and rapists.

Huh. Turns out...they all needed to fear a stupid, POS American loser that believed the crap spewed by The Donald instead.​

And there is a difference between inciting violence and stating a political position. The Donald has done the former. No one has provided any examples of Bernie or Elizabeth Warren of doing so.Can you? They merely hold the latter.

I don't see anything there that legitimately can be used to blame Trump for that murder spree
 
I don't see anything there that legitimately can be used to blame Trump for that murder spree

Where? I referred to his quoted statements many times over.

And my original post wasnt about blaming The Donald (except maybe the last 2 lines)

It's interesting to note, that with all the statements from The Donald that so many south of the border are murderers and rapists (his own words), that they present a terrible danger to Americans, that apparently so many Americans in a border town like El Paso are not carrying firearms. Most adults could be...but they're not. Many probably have cc permits too...but were out shopping in a mall with lots of Mexicans, legal and non, and they felt perfectly safe, despite being surrounded by this supposed invasion of murderers and rapists.

Huh. Turns out...they all needed to fear a stupid, POS American loser that believed the crap spewed by The Donald instead.​

And still no comparable examples from Bernie or Warren? (Both of whom I cant stand so it's not like I'm defending them. Well, actually Bernie is probably a nice man, but he's not presidential material.)
 
Where? I referred to his quoted statements many times over.

And my original post wasnt about blaming The Donald (except maybe the last 2 lines)

It's interesting to note, that with all the statements from The Donald that so many south of the border are murderers and rapists (his own words), that they present a terrible danger to Americans, that apparently so many Americans in a border town like El Paso are not carrying firearms. Most adults could be...but they're not. Many probably have cc permits too...but were out shopping in a mall with lots of Mexicans, legal and non, and they felt perfectly safe, despite being surrounded by this supposed invasion of murderers and rapists.

Huh. Turns out...they all needed to fear a stupid, POS American loser that believed the crap spewed by The Donald instead.​

And still no comparable examples from Bernie or Warren? (Both of whom I cant stand so it's not like I'm defending them. Well, actually Bernie is probably a nice man, but he's not presidential material.)

I couldn't care less-the fault of mass shootings is that of the shooter. Not a politician
 
I couldn't care less-the fault of mass shootings is that of the shooter. Not a politician

Your decision not to engage my observations is noted.

No one has claimed the shooters arent at fault...but your lack of argument & counter examples only supports the fact that The Donald is indeed culpable for his inflammatory tirades and hate & fear-mongering.
 
Your decision not to engage my observations is noted.

No one has claimed the shooters arent at fault...but your lack of argument & counter examples only supports the fact that The Donald is indeed culpable for his inflammatory tirades and hate & fear-mongering.

I think you hear things differently from him than others do
 
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