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Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

Napoleon said:
It’s nowhere on the CNN homepage. I don’t care what Fox News is running.
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I have no idea what to tell you other than the news go so fast. Live updates on Dayton mayor is important right now.
 
dixon01767 said:
It is both.
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It has morphed into a sort of mix, however it is still primarily a Republic, remember this "The Republic for which it stands"?

A Republic consisting of 50 Republican states in a “federal” Union, with the rule of law, with basic human rights ensured, bound by a single federal Constitution, with a separation of powers in the three branches, citizens don’t vote directly for the President or the Supreme Court, and citizens didn’t initially elect Senators directly.
Democratic in that citizens directly elect many officials, especially in the legislative branch and citizens vote directly on some state laws. Power is delegated to elected and appointed representatives including the President.
 
haymarket said:
While there are exceptions to everything and bad people on both sides - It is the right wing extremist that poses the greatest threat today both in action and in numbers as evidence by the serious rise in hate crimes which directly correspond to the term of Trump in office and his removal of many criminal investigators to hit such groups.

FBI Director Chris Wray recently testified before Congress and laid this out for all to see.
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That's what I'm saying ... hatred of Trump resulted in violence by the Left that's encouraged by Leftist politicians and media by making unsubstantiated inflammatory accusations.
They expected defense from Leftist simpletons and they're getting it.
 
SgtRock said:
Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders should not be blamed for the horrific actions of their supporters because of their extreme leftwing rhetoric. You know what? President Trump is not to blame for the actions of an individual psychopath either.
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Political rhetoric shouldn't be blamed for the actions of others until is passed the high legal bar of incitement.
None of the political rhetoric from any of these politicians has passed that legal bar.

Yet, the leftists in the media, the DNC Pravda see it fit to blame Trump and hold all the rest blameless, talk about double standards and political bias. Unreal, and a disservice to the electorate. So, yes, 'Fake News'.

Clearly, it is little more than a political tactic employed by the leftists in the media and the Democratic party to silence anyone who has the temerity to hold opinions and positions differing from theirs.
 
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SCrider said:
First neither Warren or Sanders have extreme leftwing rhetoric. If you think they do educate yourself beyond Fox and Friends.
Second neither of them stoke the fire of hate like Trump, so trying to equate the three is just ridiculous.
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Hard to see the truth when you willing blind yourself to that which you don't want to believe.

As cited here:
Here (Blatant Media Bias:Democrats Bully NYT Into Changing Accurate Headline To Fit Their Agenda)
And here (Blatant Media Bias:Democrats Bully NYT Into Changing Accurate Headline To Fit Their Agenda)

Further, rather puzzling that you don't find the outlawing of people's employer funded healthcare, forcing them to lose this healthcare coverage, as not extreme.

Yet, you are more than willing to believe Warran's claim that 'Republicans are the ones that want to take away people's healthcare'?

Really?
 
Doesn't matter what he may have believed. We need to stop vilifying groups and projecting hate after mass murder like this. Trying to pin a "blame" on a "side" is disgusting regardless of which side is doing it.
 
SCrider said:
True, but that does not make them extremist like the Rw media likes to portray them as.
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They are not extremist in the theoretical political spectrum or what exists in say parts of the world that have groups like the Sendero Luminoso. However, in what is palatable to American voters, they are far left.
 
joko104 said:
[h=1]Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism[/h]More information is being reported on Connor Betts, 24, the deceased gunman who shot and killed nine people and wounded 27 others in a mass shooting early Sunday morning.

A Twitter account appearing to belong to Betts showed he supported socialist causes and was a supporter of presidential candidate Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren...

[FONT="]On Nov. 2, 2018, he wrote: “Vote blue for gods sake.”

Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

I don't expect to hear much about that on CNN or MSNBC. Do you?[/FONT]
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And there goes the MSM coverage of this shooting. It'll be focused on El Paso with only mentions of the Dayton shooting now.
 
digsbe said:
Doesn't matter what he may have believed. We need to stop vilifying groups and projecting hate after mass murder like this. Trying to pin a "blame" on a "side" is disgusting regardless of which side is doing it.
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I go with that. It all comes down on the shoulders of the murderer.

This is becoming our way of life. Politicians will do nothing but argue about guns until ad nauseam. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong.

Our lifestyles are going to have to adapt. Better weapon detections at all public functions. Quicker better LEO response.

Red Flags may be useful but I can also see them used to antagonize someone.

The killing in El Paso was racially motivated. The killings in Dayton is very difficult to pin down as one of the victims was his sister. Perhaps rather than mental illness maybe just pure evil.
 
bubbabgone said:
That's what I'm saying ... hatred of Trump resulted in violence by the Left that's encouraged by Leftist politicians and media by making unsubstantiated inflammatory accusations.
They expected defense from Leftist simpletons and they're getting it.
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Do you live in the USA and do you live in reality?
 
Crosscheck said:
I go with that. It all comes down on the shoulders of the murderer.

This is becoming our way of life. Politicians will do nothing but argue about guns until ad nauseam. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong.

Our lifestyles are going to have to adapt. Better weapon detections at all public functions. Quicker better LEO response.

Red Flags may be useful but I can also see them used to antagonize someone.

The killing in El Paso was racially motivated. The killings in Dayton is very difficult to pin down as one of the victims was his sister. Perhaps rather than mental illness maybe just pure evil.
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The (so far unmentioned) Gilroy shooter cut his way into the garlic festival through the back fence to avoid security. Mental illness is an excuse. More shooters have a history of dangerous or risky acts than a mental health diagnosis.
 
bubbabgone said:
Yes. Social Security. The entitlement that's doomed to collapse under its own weight as entitlements are prone to do. What about it?

The EsPaso shooter said he was not motivated by Trump but you know his mind.
And Betts was a socialist like you and Liz and you're like-minded.
Betts was Left, Crusius was mostly Left, Antifa is Left and you understand where they're coming from.
Maybe you're too close to the thinking of all those guys.
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News Flash, Social Security is not an entitlement, it is an earned benefit. You pay for it.
 
haymarket said:
Do you live in the USA and do you live in reality?
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Your Party encourages confrontations in public places.
Your Party stages protests at homes and want to “Just Stab The Mother****er In The Heart”.
Your Party doxxes donors and stages boycotts to silence what they can't argue against.
Your Party destroys property, stages violent protests, and assaults people.
Your Party has become a Party of race hustlers.
Your Party has become anti-free speech.

Since it's your Party you have to live with it but you don't have to defend it.
 
BahamaBob said:
News Flash, Social Security is not an entitlement, it is an earned benefit. You pay for it.
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It's an entitlement. You won't be getting your own money back when you retire. Your SS taxes are being spent already to support the system. And when you retire you'll be getting checks backed by someone else's money.
And there'll be too many retirees for SS taxed workers to support. SS will be in trouble down the line. It's already paying out in benefits more than it takes in in SS taxes so it's using a "trust fund" to compensate but that's not unlimited.


No doubt you've heard this before, on your Twitter or Facebook, or among your friends:

"Social Security isn't an entitlement, it's an earned benefit!"

See, for example, this The Hill opinion piece from late October, the title of which contains the entire thesis: "Treat Social Security the way President Roosevelt intended, as an insurance program not an entitlement." The author, Rep. John B. Larson (D-Conn.), laments that "Republicans have tried to privatize [Social Security and Medicare and] label it as a welfare or entitlement program." And as of this writing, a Google search pulls up numerous recent instances of recent letters-to-the-editor, such as this one at the East Oregonian ("The GOP leadership has started referring to Social Security and Medicare as “entitlements” . . . but . . . these are benefits we have earned and paid for with deductions from our paychecks . . . . They are not gifts."), the Dayton Observer ("It’s their money, not a gift or entitlement from the government."), and another at the Lynchberg News & Advance, ("Social Security is not entitlement programs [sic] (nor is Medicare); rather that it is a program that folks have paid into all their working lives.").

Of course, that's all a bit silly.

An "entitlement," as a type of federal spending, is a government program in which recipients automatically receive benefits that they're eligible for based on the applicable legislation. Social Security is an entitlement because everyone who meets the eligibility criteria (40 "quarters" of eligible earnings) is entitled to a benefit. No one is dependent on Congress to appropriate spending every year in order to receive their Social Security checks.
Yes, Social Security Is An 'Entitlement'
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I blame Elizabeth Warren for every single death in American history.
 
haymarket said:
While there are exceptions to everything and bad people on both sides - It is the right wing extremist that poses the greatest threat today both in action and in numbers as evidence by the serious rise in hate crimes which directly correspond to the term of Trump in office and his removal of many criminal investigators to hit such groups.
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Were any of hese shooters known to be in any "group". And I dont think the "right wing extremist" have yet caught up to the body count of the left wing Vegas shooter.
 
bubbabgone said:
Your Party encourages confrontations in public places.
Your Party stages protests at homes and want to “Just Stab The Mother****er In The Heart”.
Your Party doxxes donors and stages boycotts to silence what they can't argue against.
Your Party destroys property, stages violent protests, and assaults people.
Your Party has become a Party of race hustlers.
Your Party has become anti-free speech.

Since it's your Party you have to live with it but you don't have to defend it.
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Your party supports an illegitimate, narcissistic, racist President.

I win by a factor of at least 100.
 
dixon01767 said:
Were any of hese shooters known to be in any "group". And I dont think the "right wing extremist" have yet caught up to the body count of the left wing Vegas shooter.
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Which pile of dead decaying corpses is higher?

Is that really the question you want to explore? :doh:roll:
 
Sabre said:
It has morphed into a sort of mix, however it is still primarily a Republic, remember this "The Republic for which it stands"?
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Your mistake is in your assumption that somehow a Republic excludes democracy. It is a Liberal Democracy, the best kind of democracy.
 
haymarket said:
Which pile of dead decaying corpses is higher?

Is that really the question you want to explore? :doh:roll:
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YOU are the one comparing "numbers" and making false claims regarding them.
 
haymarket said:
Your party supports an illegitimate, narcissistic, racist President.

I win by a factor of at least 100.
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You gave me your opinion.
I gave you facts about what your Party does and you made my prediction come true that you would defend what they do

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You learned well, young Jedi.
This gets so easy sometimes.
 
AProudLefty said:
I have no idea. I cannot read his mind.
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The heightened political climate, IMO, have been the cause of the mass shootings last weekend.
Someone has already said it. Both sides of the political aisle need to tone the **** down.
 
Moon said:
Political beliefs aren’t what’s causing these shootings. The root cause is something else. Focusing on minutiae like this is preventing real analysis from being done, which could lead to real solutions.
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So wrong.
 
Moon said:
I said they aren’t the root cause. If you want to eliminate a problem, you have to correct the root cause.
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The root cause is the heightened political climate. Trump, for example, contributes to it. Beto and Biden, for examples, contribute to it. Tone the **** down.

For any representative democracy to work, people have to compromise. So many have forgotten that. Can't compromise on The Constitution, though. Can change The Constitution.
 
trixare4kids said:
Agree, the left has been totally irresponsible when telling absolute filthy lies about this president and his voting bloc.
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Yes. And Trump has been incendiary in his speech. Trump isn't a racist, though. Dems used anecdotal and post hoc evidence for their proof of Trump's racism or dems use anecdotal and post hoc evidence to prove they aren't racists.
 
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