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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I imagine if the internet was around back in the 1800s, the southern slave owners would have the same response. "My body - my choice" is the modern day "How dare you try to tell me what I can and can't do with my property!"
    Did you look up the word 'liberal' yet?
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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Did you look up the word 'liberal' yet?
    We've already had this discussion before, Grand, remember? You had never once heard the term "statist" and I had to explain it to you. The word "liberal" has been warped into something that it doesn't mean. People who call themselves "liberals" today are almost always "statists". Libertarians are the classic liberals nowadays.
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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

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    This has been debunked numerous times. In the vast majority of cases, southern democrats lived and died as southern democrats, they did not "switch parties". The South, as a whole, didn't suddenly switch from Democrat to Republican and vote "en masse" - in my own state of Georgia, we didn't truly elect a Republican governor until 2003 - 40 years after the civil rights act.
    Your revisionist history has been debunked more times than I care to count.


    "...The big break didn’t come until President Johnson, another Southern Democrat, signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965.

    Though some Democrats had switched to the Republican party prior to this, “the defections became a flood” after Johnson signed these acts, Goldfield says. “And so the political parties began to reconstitute themselves.”

    The change wasn’t total or immediate. During the late 1960s and early ‘70s, white Southerners were still transitioning away from the Democratic party (newly enfranchised black Southerners voted and continue to vote Democratic). And even as Republican Richard Nixon employed a “Southern strategy” that appealed to the racism of Southern white voters, former Alabama Governor George Wallace (who’d wanted “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever”) ran as a Democrat in the 1972 presidential primaries.

    By the time Ronald Reagan became president in 1980, the Republican party’s hold on white Southerners was firm. Today, the Republican party remains the party of the South. It’s an ironic outcome considering that a century ago, white Southerners would’ve never considered voting for the party of Lincoln....

    How Republicans and the 'Southern Strategy' Won Over the Once Democratic South - HISTORY

    http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman.../reversal2.pdf


    Revisionism and/or ignorance of history doesn't change the historical facts. But I don't blame you for trying to distance yourself from your parties tainted past. However, trying to pin it on today's democrats is just plain STUPID.
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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

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    You said Dixiecrat. Apparently you don't know what the term means. No surprise there.



    Dix·ie·crat
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    any of the Southern Democrats who seceded from the party in 1948 in opposition to its policy of extending civil rights.
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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

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    The new left: history and facts prove nothing.
    I'm sorry? Is that supposed to mean something to me?
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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    We've already had this discussion before, Grand. The word "liberal" means something different than what it used to.
    Used to as in since the latest edition of Merriam-Websters came out? I think it's updated annually. You mean the definition of 'liberal' has changed since then, or do you mean that you know better than Merriam-Websters what the word means?
    Okay, lets try the good old OED, the Oxford English Dictionary.

    Liberal

    1Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

    ‘liberal views towards divorce’

    1.1Favourable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms.
    ‘liberal citizenship laws’

    1.2(in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform.
    ‘a liberal democratic state’

    Maybe you have a dictionary you prefer. Link it for me, I'll take a look, but I gotta say I rely on the two I've mentioned here.
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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Used to as in since the latest edition of Merriam-Websters came out? I think it's updated annually. You mean the definition of 'liberal' has changed since then, or do you mean that you know better than Merriam-Websters what the word means?
    Okay, lets try the good old OED, the Oxford English Dictionary.

    Liberal

    1Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

    ‘liberal views towards divorce’

    1.1Favourable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms.
    ‘liberal citizenship laws’

    1.2(in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform.
    ‘a liberal democratic state’

    Maybe you have a dictionary you prefer. Link it for me, I'll take a look, but I gotta say I rely on the two I've mentioned here.
    And "liberals" today don't adhere to those definitions. That's a "classic liberal". I don't know why this needs to be explained to you every time.
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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

    Observe, Grand, where you were schooled on this very topic 2 years ago (for the second time): https://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...post1067566056 (Question For The Left)
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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    And "liberals" today don't adhere to those definitions. That's a "classic liberal". I don't know why this needs to be explained to you every time.
    Why do I keep having to expain to you that if you call someone a liberal who doesn't hold liberal values you are wrong? Plain and simple. And if someone calls themselves a liberal but they don't hold liberal values, theyre wrong too.
    Damn. You said...

    "Many believe that some humans are property no matter their race and can (and sometimes should be) killed without receiving punishment for doing so."

    was something liberals believe. Can you really believe that? Is such ignorance of the truth even possible in this day and age?
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    Re: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Why do I keep having to expain to you that if you call someone a liberal who doesn't hold liberal values you are wrong? Plain and simple. And if someone calls themselves a liberal but they don't hold liberal values, theyre wrong too.
    Damn. You said...

    "Many believe that some humans are property no matter their race and can (and sometimes should be) killed without receiving punishment for doing so."

    was something liberals believe. Can you really believe that? Is such ignorance of the truth even possible in this day and age?
    Modern day liberals (i.e. statists) and many classic liberals (libertarians) do believe just that. They believe that unborn humans are their property and can be and sometimes should be killed. "My body - my choice" is no different and no less evil than pro-slavery propaganda of the 18th and 19th century. Think that's insane? Oh, well. Lots of people thought abolitionists were crazy too. Which side was right?
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