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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The usual crew always do. Attack, rather than address.

    Why do liberals scream about evolution, and then reject it?

    The empirical history of the evolution of mankind shows humans formed into tribes, then villages, towns, cities, and defensible states/Nations. Why? Common goals, language, and objectives, and the ability to defend it.
    That's not evolution specific to mankind. That just basic cooperation. Even animals form tribes and communities.

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    There is no evidence that suggests they were of one kind or race.
    No evidence except science. It's called the human race.
    Whether black white, Chinese or indian we are all Sapiens.

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    They were of common principles and goals. This allowed mankind to evolve and prosper. Get strong enough, they could take the "treasure" of surrounding "nations". Too weak? They would be conquered.
    Are you claiming the ones who did the conquering were more evolved? War more evolved than peace? Plunder more evolved than cooperation? Of course rational people know these aren't differences in evolution but of culture. A hundred years before Columbus sailed to the West Indies in the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria, Zheng He, a Chinese explorer sailed in a fleet a hundred deep with ships 10x the size of Columbus' tiny little fleet but they had no cultural imperative for conquest. At least not in regions so far from China.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    This is the evolution of mankind. There is no recorded history of any "nation" or land, that had no borders, no "citizenship" standards, etc..
    Records were mostly functions of nations and empires for purposes of collecting tax and tribute.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Not everyone gets along. That's a fact. Period. This has played a role in the mankind's existence and has likely contributed to it's success.
    Cooperation is actually the key to mankinds success but take it from you to learn all the wrong lessons from history.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Liberals apparently believe the evolution of mankind should be ignored because they know better than 100's of thousands of years of example.
    It's you who doesn't understand evolution, history or culture.
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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    The Bible tells us that in the last days of life on earth without Jesus men will gather themselves together under a world leader whom they will worship as God. Somewhere between now and that time American nationalism must be ended.
    And Dr. Suess said “I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Blah, blah, blah.

    Why don't you debate the points, Mr. Master Debater? Why introduce strawman arguments or just plain BS?

    Why does Israel exist? Because powerful Nations who kicked ass in WWII said so. Do you think some loser country like Italy or Japan would have been able to make such a thing happen? How did the US become so powerful?

    BTW, when did I mention biology? Empires fell because they tried to force conquered people to bow to their way of life. They wouldn't.

    As I wrote before, I'm not one to feed your type of action here.

    So, I'll move on and not waste any more time.
    I addressed your points and you still turn and run.

    It seems though that you think conquest is the epitome of cultural evolution and yet white conservatives are about to be conquered here in America. I guess that would make you guys the less evolved huh?

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    And you're against that?
    I'm not against borders though I hope for a day they are no longer needed. I'm certainly not threatened by desperate poor people looking for safety and prosperity for them and their loved ones. I don't think we need borders to protect against them.

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Case in point:

    If you say Trump is a racist and I say he is not, who is under obligation to present evidence to support his position, you, me, both, or neither?
    I would be, but that isn't what happened. Ocean claimed liberals don't believe in evolution. Whos obligation is it to prove that?

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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Suggesting that your opponent is a racist... yeah. That's a sound way to lose any sort of debate.
    I am telling the truth. The fact that they are racist is obvious when they are Trump supporters chanting "Send her home".

    Donald Trump got the endorsement of the KKK.
    Among the small number of American newspapers that have embraced Donald Trump’s campaign, there is one, in particular, that stands out.

    It is called the Crusader — and it is one of the most prominent newspapers of the Ku Klux Klan.

    Under the banner "Make America Great Again," the entire front page of the paper's current issue is devoted to a lengthy defense of Trump’s message — an embrace some have labeled a de facto endorsement.

    "'Make America Great Again!' It is a slogan that has been repeatedly used by Donald Trump in his campaign for the presidency," Pastor Thomas Robb wrote in the Crusader. "You can see it on the shirts, buttons, posters and ball caps such as the one being worn here by Trump speaking at a recent rally. … But can it happen? Can America really be great again? This is what we will soon find out!"
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9a1d422ad3f6

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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    You do know, having an outburst like that. Only shows that it's you who reflects absolute ignorance.
    I showed a perfect observation about the beginnings of this country.
    I highlighted that Joko had no idea about the true meaning of immigrants in the US.
    I proved that Joko has a warped and pathetic opinion about immigrants that is wrong.
    I showed that Joko's post was stocked with lies and garbage.
    I validated that Joko has no idea about American history.
    Most importantly, I showed his post to be sociopathic and very wrong.

    On a side note, it seems that your post is very deficient in proper sentence construction and flow, is grammatically incorrect, and is devoid of cognizant thought.
    Both of you boys have a lot of work to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I can not think of any non-white majority country anywhere on earth I would want to live. I wish the USA would stay a white majority, but it won't.

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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Being a democracy, every person from another country and different background ultimately will affect our society, our government and our laws. It is the most simplistic logic that if people are intensely anti-secular, sexist, xenophobic, intolerant, oppose many civil and human rights - that person will move our society, government and laws ever so slightly in that direction. Bringing in uneducated and impoverished Somalians brings the values of Somalian culture, values and laws into our society, government and laws. That is how democracy works. Accordingly, who we should allow in are those who MOST are aligned to our core values, laws, rights and accepted moral codes and concepts of freedom and rights - including equality.
    Nativist tripe.

    The ignorant fear of those 'not like us' sadly is as American as apple pie. It is simplistic logic that if a people are sexist, xenophobic, intolerant, and oppose many civil and human rights- those people HAVE moved our society, government, and laws in that direction. From the current occupant of the White House to those who chant- "send her back!"...

    But your whine has been with us for centuries- the Irish were seen as ignorant, drunkards, who obey not our President and our laws but a Pope in Rome and his laws...

    The German immigrants from the early 1800's were considered more cattle than men and thought to never be able to vote their own minds but what their 'leaders' told them to vote.

    The EYE-talians had strict immigration quotas placed on them and they were one of the first undocumented immigrants- the slur WOPS comes from immigration stamp With Out Papers.... They didn't look WASP, and again would obey a Pope in Rome and follow his edicts.

    Today Nativists praise this when it suits their agenda on same sex marriage and abortion issues, it is a strange new world...

    But the Nativists forget so many of us who were born here come from very humble immigrants. Except for a few English immigrants most of our forefathers didn't speak English and most likely never learned more than a handful. I'd opine if we had to meet the demands of immigration and citizenship we would fail.

    While some Nativists decry immigrants who gather in enclaves and keep much of their homeland (like EVERY immigrant group from Little Italy to the Pennsylvania 'Dutch') they seem to not attack the Asians who proudly maintain so-called China Towns in many major cities....

    But ignore the children of these immigrants and their children might live next door, work beside them, date their daughters, some might even sign their paycheck....

    No, these proud 'patriots' have a long history of attacking those not like us who want little more than what they themselves want- a nice house right just like yours- and hate the Dallas Cowboys!!!

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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I showed a perfect observation about the beginnings of this country.
    I highlighted that Joko had no idea about the true meaning of immigrants in the US.
    I proved that Joko has a warped and pathetic opinion about immigrants that is wrong.
    I showed that Joko's post was stocked with lies and garbage.
    I validated that Joko has no idea about American history.
    Most importantly, I showed his post to be sociopathic and very wrong.

    On a side note, it seems that your post is very deficient in proper sentence construction and flow, is grammatically incorrect, and is devoid of cognizant thought.
    Both of you boys have a lot of work to do.
    You proved nothing, but you offered a number of opinions, some reasonable, some not so much.
    “When you talk about the firm that produced the Steele reporting, the name of the firm that produced that was Fusion GPS. Is that correct?”

    “I’m not familiar with that,” Robert Mueller answered.

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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You proved nothing, but you offered a number of opinions, some reasonable, some not so much.
    Pure common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I can not think of any non-white majority country anywhere on earth I would want to live. I wish the USA would stay a white majority, but it won't.

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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Pure common sense.
    Still not proof.
    “When you talk about the firm that produced the Steele reporting, the name of the firm that produced that was Fusion GPS. Is that correct?”

    “I’m not familiar with that,” Robert Mueller answered.

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    Re: Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    The difference being that immigrants use to assimilate into American culture before anti-American leftists concocted their multiculturalism nonsense in the 1970s. Now they flat out refuse to integrate into American culture, preferring to keep the culture they left behind in their former country. Including those antiquated and oppressive cultural values, like how the majority of middle-eastern countries treat women. They bring thier 12th century mentality into the US, refuse to assimilate into American society, and refuse to even acknowledge the founding principles of "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." The days of the US being a "melting pot" ended 40 years ago with the multiculturalism of the anti-American left.
    Dopes that include Little Italy and other immigrant enclaves in major cities, or is your xenophobia only limited to people who are brown and non-christian?

    We already know the kinds of people the "Progressive" left want to import - anyone willing to kill Americans en masse. Which is why they were so keen when Obama promised to import tens of thousands of Syrian terrorists into the US.
    Those are refugees of the Bush war in Iraq that destabilized the entire region.

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