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House votes to kill impeachment effort against Trump

HumblePi said:
You're only fooling yourself when you deny that their appearance influences your judgement.
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Just because appearances influence your judgement doesn't mean appearances influence others.

Projection, it's what's for supper.
 
code1211 said:
AOC 'squad' revolts: Ayanna Pressley says no more 'black faces that don’t want to be a black voice'
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"We don’t need black faces that don’t want to be a black voice," she said.

"We don’t need Muslims that don’t want to be a Muslim voice.

We don’t need queers that don’t want to be a queer voice.

If you’re worried about being marginalized and stereotyped, please don’t even show up because we need you to represent that voice."
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I just did a google search to see how the msm media portrayed her speech and it seems her racist statment have gone largely uncovered by them.

Imagine the coverage that would of been recieved if it had been said that we dont white faces that dont want to be a white voice.

I think its safe to say that the politican who said it and the audience would all be cruicified in the media for months.

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nota bene said:
As I recall, you thought that tanks in the DC July 4th parade would be the beginning of Trump's "kingship" and that his speech would be provocatively political. And you had a sinking feeling that the murder of the African-American History Museum founder was going to usher in a re-run of racial hate crimes.

Let's just wait to see what the questions and the testimony are.
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Ah, but yet Trump did just hold a Nazi Rally where he spurred his mob on as they spewed out racists chants. It's a despicable administration. That cannot be denied.
 
Lutherf said:
I complained about the impotence of the GOP at that time and have found that it extends to today. Those hearings sketched out the existence of an entrenched political class and the events since 2008 have colored in a lot of those lines.
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You're nicely avoiding the point. Since you won't say it, you approved of the 593 Benghazi, the 1,249 EMAILS!!! hearings, investigations into the Clinton Foundation, Uranium One, and all the rest, along with years and years of Whitewater/Travel office/Vince Foster murder hearings during the Bill Clinton era, you just lament that they didn't produce Hillary in shackles. But you don't approve of hearings about Trump, because....something. It's here I get lost. I think it's IOKIYAR but maybe I'm wrong.
 
hanger4 said:
Just because appearances influence your judgement doesn't mean appearances influence others.

Projection, it's what's for supper.
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Appearances never influenced my judgement, never. I have worked alongside women wearing the hijab, I have worked hand in hand with Blacks from Haiti, Somalia, Jamaica. I've had a very rich background communicating with people from every country in the world. My own son lives in Colombia, South America, he was raised to be color-blind.
 
Moderate Right said:
Record low unemployment, including African American. Wages rising fast. You just don't read the news, do you?
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It's a miracle. Once Trump took over the dark day of Obama ended and we woke up to a new world of rising wages!!

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Moderate Right said:
You're wrong. First off, I don't believe Congress will allow the tax breaks to expire as even Democrats want to help the little guy. Second, the tax break that gave me the most advantage is one of the ones for businesses that does not expire. If Republicans are in charge, the tax breaks you refer to will be renewed. So what do you predict will happen if Democrats are in charge? Do you think they will let the little guy's tax breaks expire?
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That's the political strategy in a nutshell. Cut taxes, jack up the deficit, eventually a Democrat comes into office, flood the opinion pages with right wingers telling us the deficit WILL KILL US ALL!!!!!!@!, HYPERINFLATION, BUY GOLD!!!! Democrat raises taxes to deal with deficit, you guys blame Democrats for being tax and spend, although the GOP is cut taxes and spend more and jack up the deficit to crisis levels and let the Democrats deal with it.

And the only way to cut spending and reduce deficits by any significant amount are SS, Medicare and the Military. Wonder why the GOP didn't tackle entitlement reform while in the majority? Probably because their base is old and vote, like lots of Democrats, so it's the third rail.

Point is those tax cuts you enjoy are great for you I'm sure, but they represent borrowed money and you can't complain when a Democrat passes a bunch of spending and puts it on the credit card because their base likes the new spending. It won't be any more fiscally irresponsible, just possibly directed at different people.
 
HumblePi said:
Well you haven't been keeping up with the facts and the fact is YOUR tax breaks will expire in 2025 while the tax breaks for the rich will never expire. So yes, they will let the little guy's tax breaks expire, absolutely.

The law cuts corporate tax rates permanently and individual tax rates temporarily. It permanently removes the individual mandate, a key provision of the Affordable Care Act, which is likely to raise insurance premiums and significantly reduce the number of people with coverage. The highest earners are expected to benefit most from the law, while the lowest earners may actually pay more in taxes once most individual tax provisions expire after 2025.
Explaining the Trump Tax Reform Plan
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The biggest thing that helped me is the corporate tax law which allows me a 20% reduction on my business profits. That's not expiring. You're crazy if you think Republicans will allow the personal tax breaks to expire and I don't see Democrats doing it either. As usual you guys are howling in the wind like you have been for years that Republicans are going to end Social Security.
 
Moderate Right said:
The biggest thing that helped me is the corporate tax law which allows me a 20% reduction on my business profits. That's not expiring. You're crazy if you think Republicans will allow the personal tax breaks to expire and I don't see Democrats doing it either. As usual you guys are howling in the wind like you have been for years that Republicans are going to end Social Security.
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The democrats will hold all three branches of government by 2020 and that tax law will be changed putting more of the tax burden on the super rich, exactly as it should be.
 
trouble13 said:
I just did a google search to see how the msm media portrayed her speech and it seems her racist statment have gone largely uncovered by them.

Imagine the coverage that would of been recieved if it had been said that we dont white faces that dont want to be a white voice.

I think its safe to say that the politican who said it and the audience would all be cruicified in the media for months.

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What is racist about it? We have an entire thread on that speech and what she actually said in context is no more than represent, and this was her term, "whatever" voice that elected you, serve the voters who voted for you. It was a plea to courage and hard work - that last line should clue you in on that:

"If you’re worried about being marginalized and stereotyped, please don’t even show up because we need you to represent that voice."

And the good thing is there isn't any danger of "white voices" being heard in Congress, especially on the GOP side. It's not quite 100% white on that side, so I think they're well represented in positions of power and don't need a "voice" because they've had it since the founding. Here's a photo I posted on another thread - it's the GOP healthcare brain trust. Think we need more "white voices" representing the interest of whites in that hearing room? More males?

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JasperL said:
That's the political strategy in a nutshell. Cut taxes, jack up the deficit, eventually a Democrat comes into office, flood the opinion pages with right wingers telling us the deficit WILL KILL US ALL!!!!!!@!, HYPERINFLATION, BUY GOLD!!!! Democrat raises taxes to deal with deficit, you guys blame Democrats for being tax and spend, although the GOP is cut taxes and spend more and jack up the deficit to crisis levels and let the Democrats deal with it.

And the only way to cut spending and reduce deficits by any significant amount are SS, Medicare and the Military. Wonder why the GOP didn't tackle entitlement reform while in the majority? Probably because their base is old and vote, like lots of Democrats, so it's the third rail.

Point is those tax cuts you enjoy are great for you I'm sure, but they represent borrowed money and you can't complain when a Democrat passes a bunch of spending and puts it on the credit card because their base likes the new spending. It won't be any more fiscally irresponsible, just possibly directed at different people.
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The GOP was never in the majority. They never had 60 votes in the Senate. But, you're right, both parties are all about spend, spend, spend. I'm not happy about adding to the debt with the tax cut but what other option is there? Vote for a party who openly wants MFA, wipe out student debt, give free education, pay reparations to descendants of slaves (just for starters), and spend 93 trillion dollars on the Green New Deal and then say that is only the beginning? That's the choice you want Republicans and conservatives to make?
 
Moderate Right said:
The GOP was never in the majority. They never had 60 votes in the Senate. But, you're right, both parties are all about spend, spend, spend. I'm not happy about adding to the debt with the tax cut but what other option is there? Vote for a party who openly wants MFA, wipe out student debt, give free education, pay reparations to descendants of slaves (just for starters), and spend 93 trillion dollars on the Green New Deal and then say that is only the beginning? That's the choice you want Republicans and conservatives to make?
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They don't need 60 votes for spending cuts.

It's amazing - the GOP find ways to cut taxes and they get applauded, that's what you just did, but they cannot get off their lazy asses to cut spending, and you guys blame the Democrats. Why doesn't the 'spending' buck ever stop on their desks when they have no problem getting what they want on the tax side with zero Democratic support?

And the option to $2 trillion in borrowed tax cuts is to not cut taxes. Seems simple enough, especially when the tax cuts come at a time that you told us were rising wages, low unemployment, record corporate profits and a very healthy stock market on a years' long tear. It was fiscally reckless in every sense of the word. You might argue that corporate tax rates needed to come down. Probably, but the GOP could have offset those with tax increases or spending cuts and they didn't, because the extent of their caring about deficits is to jack them up and then beat the Democrats over the head and necks when they raise taxes to deal with them.
 
calamity said:
Ah, but yet Trump did just hold a Nazi Rally where he spurred his mob on as they spewed out racists chants. It's a despicable administration. That cannot be denied.
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Calling his rally a "Nazi Rally" is pretty despicable too.
 
JasperL said:
What is racist about it? We have an entire thread on that speech and what she actually said in context is no more than represent, and this was her term, "whatever" voice that elected you, serve the voters who voted for you. It was a plea to courage and hard work - that last line should clue you in on that:

"If you’re worried about being marginalized and stereotyped, please don’t even show up because we need you to represent that voice."

And the good thing is there isn't any danger of "white voices" being heard in Congress, especially on the GOP side. It's not quite 100% white on that side, so I think they're well represented in positions of power and don't need a "voice" because they've had it since the founding. Here's a photo I posted on another thread - it's the GOP healthcare brain trust. Think we need more "white voices" representing the interest of whites in that hearing room? More males?

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What is superior about a black faces black voice as opposed to a white faces white voice?

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trouble13 said:
What is superior about a black faces black voice as opposed to a white faces white voice?
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She didn't say that any voice was superior to any other. Here's what she said:

"I ran for Congress to do this work from a place that is people centered. I believe firmly that the people closest to the pain should be closest to the power. I don't believe anyone is truly voiceless. I do think that there are many people who are unheard, and it's our job to create space for those voices to be heard."
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"All of you that have aspirations of running for office, for whatever lived experience or identity that you represent, if you are not prepared to come to that table, and to represent that voice, don't come"
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How is "whatever lived experience or identity" exclusionary? She's a black woman trying to inspire, we can assume, other women and other minorities, and the part I quoted in the last post is essentially - don't be a coward, stand up for yourself, don't worry about being marginalized.

In the context of the talk which was black/brown women at a far left conference talking to far left audience, I just didn't see it as anything but an effort to inspire. She didn't run anyone down, she didn't exclude anyone.

And do you think in that context that she really needs to encourage white people to run so that there are white voices represented, when whites have controlled nearly every lever of power in this country since its founding, and that's still true today?
 
Fletch said:
That entire post is nonsense. You are injecting race and gender into a discussion that has nothing to do with either. The opposition to these four is based upon their IDEAS, not what they look like.
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Trump never pointed to "these four". The media made that part up as well. He was probably referring to Omar and Tlaib, mistakenly believing Tlaib was born in Palestine.
 
HumblePi said:
The democrats will hold all three branches of government by 2020 and that tax law will be changed putting more of the tax burden on the super rich, exactly as it should be.
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You didn't answer my question. Are the Democrats going to refuse to approve the expiring tax cuts?
 
JasperL said:
They don't need 60 votes for spending cuts.

It's amazing - the GOP find ways to cut taxes and they get applauded, that's what you just did, but they cannot get off their lazy asses to cut spending, and you guys blame the Democrats. Why doesn't the 'spending' buck ever stop on their desks when they have no problem getting what they want on the tax side with zero Democratic support?

And the option to $2 trillion in borrowed tax cuts is to not cut taxes. Seems simple enough, especially when the tax cuts come at a time that you told us were rising wages, low unemployment, record corporate profits and a very healthy stock market on a years' long tear. It was fiscally reckless in every sense of the word. You might argue that corporate tax rates needed to come down. Probably, but the GOP could have offset those with tax increases or spending cuts and they didn't, because the extent of their caring about deficits is to jack them up and then beat the Democrats over the head and necks when they raise taxes to deal with them.
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I agree that both sides are bad about spending. But, I don't see the Republicans championing MFA, student debt forgiveness, free education, reparations, or wanting to spend 93 trillion dollars on the Green New Deal
 
Moderate Right said:
You didn't answer my question. Are the Democrats going to refuse to approve the expiring tax cuts?
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I hope they leave the tax cuts for the middle and lower income, and RAISE the tax liabilities for the super rich. That's how it should be. The rich are getting away with murder and it needs to stop.
 
HumblePi said:
I hope they leave the tax cuts for the middle and lower income, and RAISE the tax liabilities for the super rich. That's how it should be. The rich are getting away with murder and it needs to stop.
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You told me that my tax cuts were going to expire. Do you believe that or not? Republicans aren't going to let them expire. Will Democrats?
 
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