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Are You OK With A Racist President, Republicans?

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Are You OK With A Racist President, Republicans?

The result is that the Republican Party is firmly Donald Trump’s party now. It’s the party where insults and other ugliness are just being “rough around the edges.” It’s the party where locking legal migrants in crowded, unhealthy cages is acceptable immigration policy. It’s the party where it’s OK to say racist things so long as the next jobs report is encouraging.

“Go back where you came from” is among the worst of racist tropes. It divides us by ethnicity and skin color. It says that even if someone is a citizen or legal immigrant, they are not part of the rest of us. That runs contrary to who we should be as Americans, and if Donald Trump didn’t know it when he typed the words, he surely did later when people responded with appropriate outrage. But the same president who referred to Haiti and African nations as “****hole countries” and said African visitors would never “go back to their huts” once again doubled down on his racism.
 
I'm not okay with a racist President at all.

Good thing Trump isn't a racist, right?

Of course, being a racist was one of Obama's failings. That's one of the reasons I didn't like the guy.
 
I'm not okay with a racist President at all.

Good thing Trump isn't a racist, right?

Of course, being a racist was one of Obama's failings. That's one of the reasons I didn't like the guy.

No ones interested in a Birthers bizzaro universe opinion about Obama being a racist.
 
Yet another post alleging Trump is a racist. Wow that is original.

Give me a reliable link confirming your allegation.

In other words you are fine with the president telling people to go back where they came from?
 
I'll just repeat what I said in the thread in the poll section today;

If you're a birther or have ever touted the birther rhetoric and subscribed to the birther conspiracy theories, you're racist. No ifs, buts, or maybes.


There is no logical reason for anyone to continually refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US.


He said they should "go back" to the "totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."


The four women he’s referring to are actually citizens of the United States. Three of the four were born there.


How can anyone be ok with his statements?


He's just repulsive. Along with those supporters of his that will continue to defend him at all costs as no bar is too low for them.


Ugly rhetoric that should be called out by everyone.
 
I don't know if Trump is a racist or not.

I do know that simply declaring that he is one does not make it true.

This is the problem I have with so many people who use the tactics of moral panic.

First they declare that they hold the moral high ground. Then they use this moral high ground to "judge" those they disagree with. They then declare those they judge to be enemies of their ideologies guilty of some form of immorality. Finally they liberally apply one or more demonizing labels by fiat.

The next step is to continue to use such labels against both their main target, and anyone who dares to side with that target.

From that point on it is one ad hominin after another, and their "truth" is reinforced by those who seek inclusion (and thereby safety from being targeted) in their echo chambers of denigration.

So while I don't know if Trump is a racist or not, I need to repeat that constant declarations that he is one still doesn't make it true. :coffeepap:
 
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In other words you are fine with the president telling people to go back where they came from?

How is that racist??
Is it racist simply because it came out of Trump’s mouth?
I’m sure there have been many a Democrat and probably Republicans that told Trump to go back where he came from.
 
How is that racist??
Is it racist simply because it came out of Trump’s mouth?
I’m sure there have been many a Democrat and probably Republicans that told Trump to go back where he came from.

Feigning ignorance of the racial implications of "go back where you came from" is barely a step up from actually being ignorant.
 
Just wonderin'.
Most republicans feel like they have to be okay with it. They have to wait him out, while supporting his pro corporate regressive, anti regulatory, anti environment policies That they feel warmly blessed by. There is a sizable minority of republicans with white nationalist sentiments, who feel warmly blessed by his racism.

I have long since ceased to be interested in the distinction. Those than enable his racism, should be treated exactly like those who share it. I think history will not dwell much on what kind of republican each is either. They will almost all wear the same stain.
 
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Feigning ignorance of the racial implications of "go back where you came from" is barely a step up from actually being ignorant.

Exactly how does that prove racism? I realize that throwing the race card is SOP among many on the left.
 
I don't know if Trump is a racist or not.

I do know that simply declaring that he is one does not make it true.

This is the problem I have with so many people who use the tactics of moral panic.

First they declare that they hold the moral high ground. Then they use this moral high ground to "judge" those they disagree with. They then declare those they judge to be enemies of their ideologies guilty of some form of immorality. Finally they liberally apply one or more demonizing labels by fiat.

The next step is to continue to use such labels against both their main target, and anyone who dares to side with that target.

From that point on it is one ad hominin after another, and their "truth" is reinforced by those who seek inclusion (and thereby safety from being targeted) in their echo chambers of denigration.

So while I don't know if Trump is a racist or not, I need to repeat that constant declarations that he is one still doesn't make it true. :coffeepap:

It's something the Trump haters do every chance they get. It's called "playing the race card".

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Feigning ignorance of the racial implications of "go back where you came from" is barely a step up from actually being ignorant.

Based on your comment I now know why the term “racist” is overused.
I have to say 90% of the country are racist, both democrats and republicans.

Just the other day I told me wife I hated rap music. I guess I’m racist.
I’m not in favor of open borders. I guess I’m racist. If a white Canadian sneaks across the border I guess I would be racist against white Canadians.
 
I don't know if Trump is a racist or not.

OK, maybe the better question is "Are you OK with a President who acts like a white nationalist and openly appeals to white nationalists?"

It's the same question, really, but then we don't have to do the dance - "what does he BELIEVE?" when no one can know the answer. And it doesn't matter what he believes - he's President and he's sending that message.

This is the problem I have with so many people who use the tactics of moral panic.

First they declare that they hold the moral high ground. Then they use this moral high ground to "judge" those they disagree with. They then declare those they judge to be enemies of their ideologies guilty of some form of immorality. Finally they liberally apply one or more demonizing labels by fiat.

The next step is to continue to use such labels against both their main target, and anyone who dares to side with that target.

From that point on it is one ad hominin after another, and their "truth" is reinforced by those who seek inclusion (and thereby safety from being targeted) in their echo chambers of denigration.

So while I don't know if Trump is a racist or not, constant declarations that he is still don't make it true. :coffeepap:

OK, so we can judge what he does, and what he did recently was ape what we've all seen on YouTube - dumb, mean people confronting someone who isn't white speaking a foreign language and telling them, "GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM!"

That's what he did. It's not an ad hominem to point that out - it happened.
 
How is that racist??
Is it racist simply because it came out of Trump’s mouth?
I’m sure there have been many a Democrat and probably Republicans that told Trump to go back where he came from.

Back to NYC? :confused:

He's got a lot of white enemies. Which ones has he told to go back where they came from? None is the answer. And telling minorities, non-whites, to go back to Mexico/Africa/Middle East/India is an old, obvious, racist/bigoted trope. It's sending a very old and honored American tradition of white nationalism.
 
Exactly how does that prove racism? I realize that throwing the race card is SOP among many on the left.

Are you making a distinction between white nationalism, which what Trump did clearly reflected, was intended to appeal to white nationalists, versus racism?

There is obviously a difference in the dictionary meaning, but not much in real life I don't think - the Venn diagram of racists, white supremacists, racial or ethnic bigots and white nationalists wouldn't be overlapping but close enough such that the distinction won't be very informative.
 
Do you know how ridiculous Democrats who scream "racist!" all the time look to people?

In their echo chambers, it is accepted. Remember this quote from a hollywood bimbo in november of 1972

How did Nixon Win? EVERYONE I KNOW voted for McGovern. American liberalism is nothing of the sort. It has become reactionary and close-minded.
 
Are you making a distinction between white nationalism, which what Trump did clearly reflected, was intended to appeal to white nationalists, versus racism?

There is obviously a difference in the dictionary meaning, but not much in real life I don't think - the Venn diagram of racists, white supremacists, racial or ethnic bigots and white nationalists wouldn't be overlapping but close enough such that the distinction won't be very informative.

I reject everything you say as BS TDS propaganda. "white nationalism" is the current dog whistle to the collectivist left.
 
They were fine with racist Lincoln.

I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race
 
I reject everything you say as BS TDS propaganda. "white nationalism" is the current dog whistle to the collectivist left.

OK, so you're playing ostrich. :roll:

The white nationalists, those who claim the label, didn't miss the message he sent. And a bunch of conservatives who aren't Trump lemmings heard the message clear as a bell as well. So you're objectively wrong that only the "collectivist left" can see an old and ugly strain of white nationalism in his Tweets that's as American as apple pie.
 
OK, so you're playing ostrich. :roll:

The white nationalists, those who claim the label, didn't miss the message he sent. And a bunch of conservatives who aren't Trump lemmings heard the message clear as a bell as well. So you're objectively wrong that only the "collectivist left" can see an old and ugly strain of white nationalism in his Tweets that's as American as apple pie.

NO I am rejecting your silly nonsense and I reject your stupid claims. You can scream all you want and I am going to laugh at your hysterical TDS
 
NO I am rejecting your silly nonsense and I reject your stupid claims. You can scream all you want and I am going to laugh at your hysterical TDS

LOL. You don't have to take my word for it - just look at the reaction of conservatives out there. See what they have to say. If they're not Trump fluffing cult members, they recognize what he's doing because it really is part of our ugly history that a lot of us thought we'd left behind, at least for someone representing us as President.

George Conway:

Here are a few examples:

George Conway:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...46e594de5d5_story.html?utm_term=.69a283f334bd

No matter how much I came to dislike him, I didn’t want to think that the president of the United States is a racial bigot.

But Sunday left no doubt. Naivete, resentment and outright racism, roiled in a toxic mix, have given us a racist president. Trump could have used vile slurs, including the vilest of them all, and the intent and effect would have been no less clear. Telling four non-white members of Congress — American citizens all, three natural-born — to “go back” to the “countries” they “originally came from”? That’s racist to the core. It doesn’t matter what these representatives are for or against — and there’s plenty to criticize them for — it’s beyond the bounds of human decency. For anyone, not least a president.

What’s just as bad, though, is the virtual silence from Republican leaders and officeholders.

David French:

David French on Twitter: "Trump is fully employing malice as a political strategy. It’s not clever. It’s not shrewd. It’s destructive and wrong. Thoughts on this weekend’s racist tweet thread: https://t.co/JWnSgoUqvE"

Trump is fully employing malice as a political strategy. It’s not clever. It’s not shrewd. It’s destructive and wrong. Thoughts on this weekend’s racist tweet thread:

He's speaking to you here: David French on Twitter: "Take the Judge Curiel moment, mix in “****hole” countries, sprinkle in a few Tucker monologues, and you’ve got this miserable, hateful stew. But the truly depressing part will be the inevitable GOP gaslighting, rationalizations, and minimizations in his defense.… https://t.co/sjc0QGyBhV"

Take the Judge Curiel moment, mix in “****hole” countries, sprinkle in a few Tucker monologues, and you’ve got this miserable, hateful stew. But the truly depressing part will be the inevitable GOP gaslighting, rationalizations, and minimizations in his defense.
Trump supporting Geraldo Rivera:

Geraldo Rivera on Twitter: "Sad to watch my friend @realDonaldTrump take low road regarding @AOC of the Bronx, @RashidaTlaib of Detroit @AyannaPressley of Boston & @Ilhan of Somalia & Minneapolis. Let’s stick to issues & steer clear of language that’s xenophobic even racist. @POTUS you’re better than that."

Sad to watch my friend @realDonaldTrump take low road regarding @AOC of the Bronx, @RashidaTlaib of Detroit @AyannaPressley of Boston & @Ilhan of Somalia & Minneapolis. Let’s stick to issues & steer clear of language that’s xenophobic even racist. @POTUS you’re better than that.

I could keep going, but you're not fooling anyone with five minutes to spend looking around at the reaction of non-Trump cultists conservatives.

Here's Andrew Aglin of the Daily Stormer:

“Man, President Trump’s Twitter account has been pure fire lately. This might be the funniest thing he’s ever tweeted. This is the kind of WHITE NATIONALISM we elected him for. And we’re obviously seeing it only because there’s another election coming up. But I’ll tell you, even knowing that, it still feels so good.”
Anglin also emphasized the political implications of Mr. Trump telling people of color to “go back” to their countries:

“This is what elected Trump and this is what will always be the best way for him to gain support,” and underscored the importance of these comments being directed at U.S. citizens, particularly Rep. Pressley, who was born in Cincinnati: “So this is not some half-assed anti-immigrant white nationalism. Trump is literally telling American blacks to go back to Africa.”

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Just wonderin'.

The Dems are so full ****, they need a movement. They should rename their party to the Whiny Bitchy Little Girls Party, they are so annoying.
 
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