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Trump Is Falling Almost 1 Million Jobs Short Vs. Obama

pinqy said:
I can’t read your mind, so I can’t answer my questions about what you believe or think.

Why do you keep refusing to answer? Which data do you think are false and why? I can’t answer that.
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You could answer the questions if you spent half the time trying understand and not trying to obfuscate the questions. Try it sometime.
 
Rogue Valley said:
If you did you would have posted it. Try again.

You really look bad when called out and you can't deliver. But, that's your MO.
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Yet when you are called out and questioned, you not providing proof of your answers it fine.

Not so much an independent as a liberal, which you expose with every make.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The economy has always risen tremendously after a crash. That is why I invested every dime I had in the stock market after the crash. The safest bet you can make no matter who the president is. Most of my stocks doubled every year or two at first. However after years of growth be prepared for another reset. The only problem most people have is they sell low and buy high. The other way to look at is how many people lost their homes when Obama was president. The American Dream didn't exist when Obama was president. We can twist the truth all day if that is what you want to do.
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You're certainly doing a good job twisting it.

No matter how you do, the fact is that Trump has had a much easier job because the economy was on the upswing before his Presidency. He's been trying to make it do worse with his trade wars. I don't know why, it's like he's trying to pitch himself into a save situation.
 
Arjay81 said:
You could answer the questions if you spent half the time trying understand and not trying to obfuscate the questions. Try it sometime.
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Oh? i have had two questions.
Which data are you, Arjay81, claiming are false?
On what basis are you, Arjay81, claiming they are false?
I don’t have any idea how I could be obfuscating those questions,. I have gone through the thread to see if I missed anything and you had talked about specific data.
The closest you came was post 91 where you said “unemployment stats, new jobs created stats, average rise in income” and then you claimed I was wrong to dispute them (which I haven’t) and they’re opposite to what I claim, but I haven’t claimed anything.

But let’s try those:
Unemployment rate: 7.8% in January 2009.
Reached a height of 10% in October 2009.
Went up and down a bit in 2010, then steadily down for the rest of Obam’s term, ending at 4.7%
Under Trump it’s continued to drop down to 3.6

What are you saying I’m wrong about?
 
rocket88 said:
Once again, reading proves too difficult for Trumpists.
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Let me put it this way: Instead of cherry picking the last 29 months of Obama's second term and comparing them to the first 29 months of Trump's first term, it would make more sense to compare their entire records in office. Since we don't know that yet, all of these comparisons are kind of silly. But, since we're in silly mode, I can point to the fact that there are one million more blacks and two million more Hispanics employed now than when Obama left office. :2wave:

A Tale of Two Economies - WSJ.
 
Ahlevah said:
Let me put it this way: Instead of cherry picking the last 29 months of Obama's second term and comparing them to the first 29 months of Trump's first term, it would make more sense to compare their entire records in office. Since we don't know that yet, all of these comparisons are kind of silly. But, since we're in silly mode, I can point to the fact that there are one million more blacks and two million more Hispanics employed now than when Obama left office. :2wave:

A Tale of Two Economies - WSJ.
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You're moving the goalposts, but i will agree that the economy is going fairly well right now. It will be interesting to see how Trump's trade wars are going to affect things. I have a suspicion that one of them will stick and be disastrous.
 
Logician Man said:
Nah..It's just a reminder that after 2 1/2 years in office, Trump is still riding Obama's coattails.
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If that's what you'd like to claim, then go right ahead. It doesn't really bother me either way and I can already see for myself that he's done far better than Obama on most issues that I gave the former president flak for. Even though his foreign policy could still leave just a bit more to be desired. Still better than what I've ever seen from Obama.
 
Oborosen said:
If that's what you'd like to claim, then go right ahead. It doesn't really bother me either way and I can already see for myself that he's done far better than Obama on most issues that I gave the former president flak for. Even though his foreign policy could still leave just a bit more to be desired. Still better than what I've ever seen from Obama.
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What issues..kinda curious since I hear this claim a lot and yet it is rarely backed up with facts.

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pinqy said:
Oh? i have had two questions.
Which data are you, Arjay81, claiming are false?
On what basis are you, Arjay81, claiming they are false?
I don’t have any idea how I could be obfuscating those questions,. I have gone through the thread to see if I missed anything and you had talked about specific data.
The closest you came was post 91 where you said “unemployment stats, new jobs created stats, average rise in income” and then you claimed I was wrong to dispute them (which I haven’t) and they’re opposite to what I claim, but I haven’t claimed anything.

But let’s try those:
Unemployment rate: 7.8% in January 2009.
Reached a height of 10% in October 2009.
Went up and down a bit in 2010, then steadily down for the rest of Obam’s term, ending at 4.7%
Under Trump it’s continued to drop down to 3.6

What are you saying I’m wrong about?
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You are wrong about the unemployment rate under Obama. It rose every year he was in office and even the MSM, as much as they hate to, admit it lower now than at any time while Obama was President.

Also, you just proved that it rose under Obama. By your own statement.

These are the type of data that you report as being a rise is false. The basis for thi9s claim is intelligent understanding of what the news reluctantly reports.

You continue to claim, without actually saying it, that the unemployment rate was less under Obama while admitting that it was not. Hypocrite.
 
Arjay81 said:
You are wrong about the unemployment rate under Obama. It rose every year he was in office and even the MSM, as much as they hate to, admit it lower now than at any time while Obama was President.
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Yes it is lower now but it certainly did not go up every year under aobama. Here’s my evidence:
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Where are you basing your claim of increasing every year?
Also, you just proved that it rose under Obama. By your own statement.
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Until October 2009 it rose. Nobody claimed it never rose at all. But it was lower at the end of both his terms than it was at the beginning.

These are the type of data that you report as being a rise is false. The basis for thi9s claim is intelligent understanding of what the news reluctantly reports.
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I have no idea what you mean. What did I report as a rise that was false?

You continue to claim, without actually saying it, that the unemployment rate was less under Obama while admitting that it was not. Hypocrite.
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That makes no sense. I have not said, implied, hinted, or gave any other signal that the UE rate was lower under Obama than Trump.
 
pinqy said:
Yes it is lower now but it certainly did not go up every year under aobama. Here’s my evidence:
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Where are you basing your claim of increasing every year?

Until October 2009 it rose. Nobody claimed it never rose at all. But it was lower at the end of both his terms than it was at the beginning.

I have no idea what you mean. What did I report as a rise that was false?


That makes no sense. I have not said, implied, hinted, or gave any other signal that the UE rate was lower under Obama than Trump.
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Have you looked at the increase in unemployment, long term? Obama officials did not count the unemployed or those on welfare in their statistics. Count them in and the difference is stark. You can attempt to claim what ever yu wish, but the truth is there.
 
Arjay81 said:
Have you looked at the increase in unemployment, long term?
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Do you mean long term unemployment? Yes I have: it’s gone down.
Obama officials did not count the unemployed or those on welfare in their statistics.
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If no unemployed were counted, then how could there be an unemployment rate?
As for welfare...of course they were included if they met the definition of unemployed. That definition has been exactly the same since 1994....and the same except for one minor difference (people hired but not yet working) since 1967.

And there was no “Obama officials” at BLS until January 2013.

Count them in and the difference is stark. You can attempt to claim what ever yu wish, but the truth is there.
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Count who in? Present your definitions and your numbers.

Oh, no methodology has changed between Obama and Trump.
 
pinqy said:
Do you mean long term unemployment? Yes I have: it’s gone down.

If no unemployed were counted, then how could there be an unemployment rate?
As for welfare...of course they were included if they met the definition of unemployed. That definition has been exactly the same since 1994....and the same except for one minor difference (people hired but not yet working) since 1967.

And there was no “Obama officials” at BLS until January 2013.


Count who in? Present your definitions and your numbers.

Oh, no methodology has changed between Obama and Trump.
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Of course it has changed. They are still trying to cover for Obama, as are you. Facts disagree with your premise. Not surprised.
 
Arjay81 said:
Of course it has changed. They are still trying to cover for Obama, as are you. Facts disagree with your premise. Not surprised.
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Present your evidence of changes. What are you claiming changed and what’s your proof?

You keep claiming “facts” but won’t back it up.
 
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Arjay81 said:
Of course it has changed. They are still trying to cover for Obama, as are you. Facts disagree with your premise. Not surprised.
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Here is a sampling of the Employment situation report under Bush, Obama, and Trump. At th end of each is a technical note explains definitions and methodology.

No changes that effect the UE rate occurred.
June 2008
June 2012
June 2015
And the technical note from the current release: Access Denied
 
pinqy said:
Present your evidence of changes. What are you claiming changed and what’s your proof?

You keep claiming “facts” but won’t back it up.
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You keep dismissing any comment that you don't like without providing a basis for that dismissal.

Remember, changes don't have to be written down as they are enacted by the way things are handled by the personnel working on it.

Your supplied "facts" have no citation so can be considered made up, as is the vision of most liberals.
 
pinqy said:
Here is a sampling of the Employment situation report under Bush, Obama, and Trump. At th end of each is a technical note explains definitions and methodology.

No changes that effect the UE rate occurred.
June 2008
June 2012
June 2015
And the technical note from the current release: Access Denied
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And yet you exempt the years 2016, 2017, 2018 claiming that they could not have possibly been altered due to the fact it would destroy your claims.

Remember, Trump was not in office until 2016, one of the years you left out. Suspicious.
 
Arjay81 said:
You keep dismissing any comment that you don't like without providing a basis for that dismissal.
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The basis is that you have no evidence to support your claim. A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
And I refuted you claim that the unemployment rate went up every year under Obama.

Remember, changes don't have to be written down as they are enacted by the way things are handled by the personnel working on it.
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Ummm no. Any changes to methodology are publically announced. But I’ll humor you: name such a change and how you are aware of it if it was not published.

Your supplied "facts" have no citation so can be considered made up, as is the vision of most liberals.
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As opposed to all your citations and references?
 
Arjay81 said:
And yet you exempt the years 2016, 2017, 2018 claiming that they could not have possibly been altered due to the fact it would destroy your claims.

Remember, Trump was not in office until 2016, one of the years you left out. Suspicious.
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Ummm no, I just didn’t think it necessary. Are you claiming changes were made that affected the unemployment rate calculations? (Some data series were added, the question on long-term unemployment was changed, maybe some other minor changes).

But here you go: every monthly Employment Situation since 1994. Point out what changes under Obama you’re claiming.
 
Wow, Trump is amazing. He turned the economy around. What did that bum Obama do?

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pinqy said:
The basis is that you have no evidence to support your claim. A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
And I refuted you claim that the unemployment rate went up every year under Obama.


Ummm no. Any changes to methodology are publically announced. But I’ll humor you: name such a change and how you are aware of it if it was not published.


As opposed to all your citations and references?
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You have provided zero citations and references that apply to this conversation. But that is what those like you do, attack any statement that shows you to be mistaken but never provide support for your actions.

BTW, did Obama announce publicly prior to the commitment of the act that he was giving 1.6 billion dollars to a country that has sworn to destroy us, in spite of laws to prevent it?
 
pinqy said:
Ummm no, I just didn’t think it necessary. Are you claiming changes were made that affected the unemployment rate calculations? (Some data series were added, the question on long-term unemployment was changed, maybe some other minor changes).

But here you go: every monthly Employment Situation since 1994. Point out what changes under Obama you’re claiming.
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Umm, you failed to provide this "evidence" of yours, leading to the belief that it is just more BS from you.

Try listening to and understanding what even the anti-Trump media is saying on the subject.

BTW, what you claim to think is not necessary is proving your claims and skipping vital parts of what you claim as fact when they show you to be consistently wrong.
 
pinqy said:
Present your evidence of changes. What are you claiming changed and what’s your proof?

You keep claiming “facts” but won’t back it up.
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Read the reports on labor statistics and un-employment currently provided by the government and the MSM. It shows you to be, again, wrong and biased.
 
PeteEU said:
What issues..kinda curious since I hear this claim a lot and yet it is rarely backed up with facts.

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Foreign policy wise. Pulling forces out of Syria, instead of cramming more into it.
 
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