Poll: Trump approval sinks 5 points after Mueller report, tying all-time low

Carleen · May 7, 2019

trouble13 said:
I keep hearing this talking point repeated like obamas approval ratings have some kind of relevancy to Trumps. Most presidents have peaks and valleys in their approval ratings depending on the current events at the time. Trump seems to be the exception in that his approval ratings do not climb or drop very much no matter what.

What i kinda get a get kick out of is the underlying reason for his relatively stable numbers. The people who dont like him and the people who like him is because Trump is keeping his word on his most important promise. He is fighting with everything he has got to bring econmic prosperity back to the middle class. He is dragging both parties in congress kicking and screaming along.

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If he was fighting with everything he’s got the middle class should be doing better after his tax reform, but that does not seem to be happening. The rich are those who are benefiting the most. If most people cared about the economy his popularity should be much higher.

trouble13 · May 8, 2019

Carleen said:
If he was fighting with everything he’s got the middle class should be doing better after his tax reform, but that does not seem to be happening. The rich are those who are benefiting the most. If most people cared about the economy his popularity should be much higher.

The middle class is doing better by qny metric you want to use. What are you basing your opinion that they are not, on?

With the unprecedented amount of effort by the left including but limited to the press to make him unpopular, its not surprising he polls low. Not even Reagan was gone after as hard as they are bashing Trump.

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Amelia · May 17, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
In other news: Gallup: Trump Approval Rating Ticks Up to New High of 46 Percent

President Trump & Gallup -- Approval Rating Ticks Up to New High of 46 Percent | National Review

In other news, down to 45% at Rasmussen today .... because Trump just can't help kicking the country in the gut.

Good economic numbers? We can't have that. Let's poke China with a sharp stick so they'll make it even harder for our farmers to survive -- because it's not enough that rain has stopped our farmers from planting their crops and because they're not struggling enough from the last round of the trade war.

Trump is why Trump's overall approval will never go above 50%.

Oh, he'll peek his funny orange head above 50% again at Rasmussen and Trumpsters will high five each other, without seeming to realize that they're admitting how bad Trump is for them to have to celebrate hitting 50% again at Rassmussen. Just like you bragged about Trump reaching 46% at Gallup and don't seem to realize that you're admitting how much Trump sucks when you note that 46% is his high.

Do you think Trump will pull back and stop slitting the throats of American farmers in time for them to forget about the pain before November 2020?

OpportunityCost · May 17, 2019

Amelia said:
In other news, down to 45% at Rasmussen today .... because Trump just can't help kicking the country in the gut.

Good economic numbers? We can't have that. Let's poke China with a sharp stick so they'll make it even harder for our farmers to survive -- because it's not enough that rain has stopped our farmers from planting their crops and because they're not struggling enough from the last round of the trade war.

Trump is why Trump's overall approval will never go above 50%.

Oh, he'll peek his funny orange head above 50% again at Rasmussen and Trumpsters will high five each other, without seeming to realize that they're admitting how bad Trump is for them to have to celebrate hitting 50% again at Rassmussen. Just like you bragged about Trump reaching 46% at Gallup and don't seem to realize that you're admitting how much Trump sucks when you note that 46% is his high.

Do you think Trump will pull back and stop slitting the throats of American farmers in time for them to forget about the pain before November 2020?

For 2 decades, we have been hearing from other Presidents that China has been a bad faith trading partner on one level or another. We have a President doing something about that. What course do you think he should be taking?

Amelia · May 17, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
For 2 decades, we have been hearing from other Presidents that China has been a bad faith trading partner on one level or another. We have a President doing something about that. What course do you think he should be taking?

I don't know. But if he can't do it without pushing our farmers over the edge, then he's doing it wrong.

And he sure as hell didn't need to start a trade war with Canada -- for just one example. We had a TRADE SURPLUS with Canada but he lied and said we had a deficit and used that as his excuse to start the trade war with Canada.

Maybe if he hadn't pushed farmers to the edge with his trade wars with Canada and Mexico, they might have had more wiggle room when it came time to deal with China.

But what we have is a president who starts trade wars with everyone, for any excuse, and thinks tariffs are the answer to almost everything. So excuse me if I and many of the farmers who voted for him don't have faith that he has any idea of what he is doing or that he really cares how much he hurts Americans in his penis-measuring contests.

(And it's not just farmers. Manufacturers are being hurt also but I'm most familiar with the farmers.)

joko104 · May 17, 2019

Chomsky said:
Good post, great supporting numbers, and I very much agree.

It's really not even much about policy anymore, but purely about Trump; you either like him, or you don't.

Frankly, I gave-up on the guy way back in the campaign! His "Mexican Judge" comment was the final straw for me, among his other earlier comments about John McCaine et all. I have no idea what his supporters see in him. All I see is a crude, vulgar, hateful, narcissistic con-man.

The #1 tactic of the Democratic Party is lying. The all time lowest was Harry Truman after he fired General MacArthur.

OpportunityCost · May 17, 2019

Amelia said:
I don't know. But if he can't do it without pushing our farmers over the edge, then he's doing it wrong.

And he sure as hell didn't need to start a trade war with Canada -- for just one example. We had a TRADE SURPLUS with Canada but he lied and said we had a deficit and used that as his excuse to start the trade war with Canada.

Maybe if he hadn't pushed farmers to the edge with his trade wars with Canada and Mexico, they might have had more wiggle room when it came time to deal with China.

But what we have is a president who starts trade wars with everyone, for any excuse, and thinks tariffs are the answer to almost everything. So excuse me if I and many of the farmers who voted for him don't have faith that he has any idea of what he is doing or that he really cares how much he hurts Americans in his penis-measuring contests.

(And it's not just farmers. Manufacturers are being hurt also but I'm most familiar with the farmers.)

Farmers said nothing for two decades while trade deals they benefited from hurt manufacturing.

They also benefit from deep subsidies. It's time to address China, even if it does hurt our agriculture sector, which is coddled imo

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What if...? · May 17, 2019

trouble13 said:
The middle class is doing better by qny metric you want to use. What are you basing your opinion that they are not, on?

With the unprecedented amount of effort by the left including but limited to the press to make him unpopular, its not surprising he polls low. Not even Reagan was gone after as hard as they are bashing Trump.

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Do those wage increase numbers account for all those minimum wage hikes? Seems like millions getting 20-30% pay increases from minimum wage hikes would account for that 1% uptick.

trouble13 · May 17, 2019

What if...? said:
Do those wage increase numbers account for all those minimum wage hikes? Seems like millions getting 20-30% pay increases from minimum wage hikes would account for that 1% uptick.

Interesting point and yes i would assume they are factored in as well. Im not a big fan of the minimum wage concept but i believe in given credit where its do and looking st things as honestly as possible.

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Amelia · May 17, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
Farmers said nothing for two decades while trade deals they benefited from hurt manufacturing.

They also benefit from deep subsidies. It's time to address China, even if it does hurt our agriculture sector, which is coddled imo

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One last time, if Trump hadn't told that big whopper of a lie about us having a trade deficit with Canada when he started his trade wars with Canada and Mexico, you and Trump might have a leg to stand on here.

But

(a) Trump showed he's willing to start trade wars with anyone and everyone with no factual excuse needed, and

(b) Trump's contraction of markets in allied countries damaged farmers in ways which make it harder for them to withstand the pain he's causing them with his Chinese trade war.

China should have been Trump's priority. If he had made China his priority, and not launched the trade wars at our allies also using LIES to justify his attacks, maybe Trump would deserve your defense.

But keep defending the indefensible. I know you have to. That's part and parcel of being a Trump supporter.

OpportunityCost · May 17, 2019

Amelia said:
One last time, if Trump hadn't told that big whopper of a lie about us having a trade deficit with Canada when he started his trade wars with Canada and Mexico, you and Trump might have a leg to stand on here.

Its about jobs. Full stop.

But

(a) Trump showed he's willing to start trade wars with anyone and everyone with no factual excuse needed, and

(b) Trump's contraction of markets in allied countries damaged farmers in ways which make it harder for them to withstand the pain he's causing them with his Chinese trade war.

You don't follow the commodities and to market prices do you? Soy futures were stable until this latest announcement by China, so point b holds no water whatsoever. Corn is much more affected by gas standards and mandates for making ethanol part of gas blends. That leaves wheat which is largely unaffected by all of this. Those are the major ag crops.

China should have been Trump's priority. If he had made China his priority, and not launched the trade wars at our allies also using LIES to justify his attacks, maybe Trump would deserve your defense.

You have zero business dictating who does and does not deserve my defense so you save your marginalizing horse**** for someone else.

But keep defending the indefensible. I know you have to. That's part and parcel of being a Trump supporter.

China needs to be dealt with to make it a fair and legitimate trade partner. I ask again, what are your solutions? You don't get to pillory the ideas being offered if you don't offer any of your own.

Amelia · May 17, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
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China needs to be dealt with to make it a fair and legitimate trade partner. I ask again, what are your solutions? You don't get to pillory the ideas being offered if you don't offer any of your own.

B.S.

First do no harm. When a lying president starts trade wars at the drop of the hat, I can pillory all I want. He claimed we had a trade deficit with Canada and then used that as an excuse to invoke the law which allows him to levy tariffs in the name of "national security". That's the kind of overreach which you would have pilloried Obama for. And what solution did you have to that? Oh right ... electing Trump.

Doing nothing would be better than what Trump is doing.

"At least he's trying" is the common refrain from people defending the damage he's doing. These are the same people who trash "participation awards".

My first idea is make sure to be aware of actual facts and not lie to start trade wars. When Trump gets to the "be aware of actual facts" level, then decisions can be made for where to go from there. But the point is moot. Trump doesn't have the concern or capacity to be aware of the facts, so we're never going to get to a healthy point to start making sound decisions.

You defend that ignorant, lying piece of ****. And I'll pillory him. I am on firmer ground than you are. And I'll count on voters to pillory him in 2020. That's the one good thing about the damage Trump is doing -- he can't help making it clear how ignorant and incompetent he is.

Which brings us back to where I entered this thread: people like you bragging when Trump reaches a polling high of 46% at Gallup. That's as good as it gets with Trump -- because Trump can't help pulling his numbers back down. So you're stuck with having to brag about Trump's embarrassingly low polling numbers as highs. And every time he reaches that miserable "high" and you gloat and say, "look out world, he's moving up," I can sit back and relax knowing that in a couple of days he'll do something stupid and destructive to lower his poll numbers again.

I do wish we didn't have such a destructive president. I don't like the damage he's doing to my country. But it is a comfort, however small, to know that the average American isn't buffaloed by the "at least he's trying" line that diehard partisans are trying to get us to buy.

Amelia · May 17, 2019

Back down to 42% at Gallup, because most Americans aren't willing to grin and bear it when Trump kicks us in the gut. And because Trump has consistently shown that he loves kicking us in the gut.

But be sure to let us know when it gets back up to that super duper high of 46% again. :thumbs:

MTAtech · May 17, 2019

OpportunityCos said:
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China needs to be dealt with to make it a fair and legitimate trade partner. I ask again, what are your solutions? You don't get to pillory the ideas being offered if you don't offer any of your own.

Solution? What is the problem? The only real problem is that China isn't fair with intellectual property, which the tariffs are a poor tool to correct.

The major problem is that Trump views a balance of trade as "losing" and China winning. That's not how it works. The supermarket doesn't buy anything from me but I buy lots of stuff from the supermarket. I don't feel like they're winning and I'm losing.

What if...? · May 17, 2019

trouble13 said:
Interesting point and yes i would assume they are factored in as well. Im not a big fan of the minimum wage concept but i believe in given credit where its do and looking st things as honestly as possible.

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It looks to me like he's claiming its what he did that caused wages to rise, especially in the lower end of the wage scale.

Which is where all those millions got 20-30-40% wage increases. 22 million iirc.

Pretty sure that would translate as an extra percent average increase in wages overall.

But that doesn't play as well as the way its being presented.

We'll see how the end of sugar rush correction turns out. If we're in recession come election day he's probably toast.

Unless of course we "have" to go to war somewhere.

I wonder if they'll have little vials of anthrax to show us this time.

Common Sense 1 · May 17, 2019

Friday, May 17, 2019

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.

Amelia · May 17, 2019

Common Sense 1 said:
Friday, May 17, 2019

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.

Believe me, I noticed.

When he's down to 45 on Rasmussen that's bad. Rasmussen usually has him hovering near 50.

MTAtech · May 17, 2019

Amelia said:
Believe me, I noticed.

When he's down to 45 on Rasmussen that's bad. Rasmussen usually has him hovering near 50.

At this point in his presidency, Obama had 49% in the Rasmussen poll.

OpportunityCost · May 17, 2019

Amelia said:
B.S.

First do no harm. When a lying president starts trade wars at the drop of the hat, I can pillory all I want. He claimed we had a trade deficit with Canada and then used that as an excuse to invoke the law which allows him to levy tariffs in the name of "national security". That's the kind of overreach which you would have pilloried Obama for. And what solution did you have to that? Oh right ... electing Trump.

Doing nothing would be better than what Trump is doing.

"At least he's trying" is the common refrain from people defending the damage he's doing. These are the same people who trash "participation awards".

My first idea is make sure to be aware of actual facts and not lie to start trade wars. When Trump gets to the "be aware of actual facts" level, then decisions can be made for where to go from there. But the point is moot. Trump doesn't have the concern or capacity to be aware of the facts, so we're never going to get to a healthy point to start making sound decisions.

You defend that ignorant, lying piece of ****. And I'll pillory him. I am on firmer ground than you are. And I'll count on voters to pillory him in 2020. That's the one good thing about the damage Trump is doing -- he can't help making it clear how ignorant and incompetent he is.

Which brings us back to where I entered this thread: people like you bragging when Trump reaches a polling high of 46% at Gallup. That's as good as it gets with Trump -- because Trump can't help pulling his numbers back down. So you're stuck with having to brag about Trump's embarrassingly low polling numbers as highs. And every time he reaches that miserable "high" and you gloat and say, "look out world, he's moving up," I can sit back and relax knowing that in a couple of days he'll do something stupid and destructive to lower his poll numbers again.

I do wish we didn't have such a destructive president. I don't like the damage he's doing to my country. But it is a comfort, however small, to know that the average American isn't buffaloed by the "at least he's trying" line that diehard partisans are trying to get us to buy.

First you can't avoid harm when one side has acted in bad faith multiple times. That's also entirely to simple of a platitude to work for complex economies like the US and China. Someone gets harmed no matter what.

Doing nothing is what we have been doing for two decades. It has led to China just acting worse and worse. Doing nothing isn't a solution and makes the problem worse.

He isn't after a participation award, you are. You say do nothing. I made the question very simple too see if had any ideas that made any sense. You don't.

Ignorant and incompetent with the best unemployment numbers in five decades. Yeah, I'm going with drunk on koolaid on that.

I am not bragging about that, I mentioned it as a counter to the low 30's bragged about by your fellow travellers. Point, counterpoint.

He isn't just trying, he's succeeding in a lot of areas. Don't waste your breath, I know you can't see it that way.

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