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John Dean: Mueller Report Shows ‘Clear Obstruction’

It may be a counter move, but it should have been the first thing done, THEN this investigation, if it was needed. I'm afraid it will stay in the limelight as long as the D's want to keep the pot boiling, to their detriment.

I have mixed feelings.
I hope they put down their pot stirring spoon for the sake of the county but keep the pot boiling because it will almost guarantee DJT a second term.
 
John Dean: Mueller Report Shows ‘Clear Obstruction’

John Dean is a moron and a liar. If there were "Clear Obstruction" Mueller and his gang of Crooked Hillary sycophants would have indicted and prosecuted in a split second.
 
This is why the report should have never been made public.

The report never drew conclusions on this. It merely outlined episodes that MIGHT be considered obstruction, and left it to partisans to decide for themselves.

Me walking across the street could be considered obstruction. It just depends on why i'm walking across the street.

You think partisans are going to be able to come to a reasonable conclusion themselves? Good luck with that.

This should have been left solely to congress, the house and senate both, to agree on. Not your keyboard laymen.

You walking across the street is not obstruction. Trump coercing his staff to lie under oath and falsify documents has a much better chance at being labeled obstruction. And yes, I can see why you may not have wanted the report to be made public.
 
John Dean...

Ya...:roll:

Dean sickens me to the core! Dean was convicted of obstruction of justice and served four months in prison for his role in the Watergate scandal.
The guy who was convicted of 'obstruction of justice' seemingly has had obstruction of justice on his lame brain ever since.

As I recall Dean accused Cheney & Bush #2 of obstruction of justice at the same time clamoring for their impeachment & now he's at it
again recently with Trump being his imagined obstructor.

Nobody ever gets smarter listening to a card carrying dunce like Dean
 
Dean sickens me to the core! Dean was convicted of obstruction of justice and served four months in prison for his role in the Watergate scandal.
The guy who was convicted of 'obstruction of justice' seemingly has had obstruction of justice on his lame brain ever since.

As I recall Dean accused Cheney & Bush #2 of obstruction of justice at the same time clamoring for their impeachment & now he's at it
again recently with Trump being his imagined obstructor.

Nobody ever gets smarter listening to a card carrying dunce like Dean

John Dean is trying to clear his public image.
Plain and simple. He's virtue-signalling.
 
Wait for the results of the 20 ongoing state and fed investigations of Twump to start producing results.

He said it himself: he's ****ed, and that's good news for the country.

I bet you are referring to the 20 states that supported Hillary in the 2016 election, not the 30 states who supported
the winner!
 
I have mixed feelings.
I hope they put down their pot stirring spoon for the sake of the county but keep the pot boiling because it will almost guarantee DJT a second term.

Unfortunately, the left truly believes all the manufactured charges and outrageous lies they're pushing are for the good of the country. They're that ****ed up.
 
John Dean? Heh. That's rich. I'll see your John Dean, and raise you an LBJ. Sure, he's dead, but I can channel LBJ, and Billy Sol Estes, too.
 
You walking across the street is not obstruction. Trump coercing his staff to lie under oath and falsify documents has a much better chance at being labeled obstruction. And yes, I can see why you may not have wanted the report to be made public.

Didn't Obama instruct Susan Rice to lie about the disaster in Bengazi being caused by a video that less than 1000 people ever saw.
Lying or better yet vigorous lying is a prerequisite for becoming a polished politician.
 
....other than politics.
I dont know if calling it politics snd nothing more encapsulates it fully.

They waged a war on him thats has been openly hostile toward him and anyone who assists him and they use deeply personal attacks. One of the big allegations they used to justify their excessive hatred of him was to claim they had the moral high ground because he was some kind of a manchurian candidate.

For 2 years they used the full weight of our federal law enforcement dept to investigate him in every possible way. They kept pushing this scare tactic that we were being lead by a secret russisn agent.

Now the report is done and one of the things we can now say with certainity is that Trump is not a manchurian candidate. The democrats has an escape hatch with this reports conclusion. They could of said they saw saw things that looked suspicious but its been investigated and it turns out it was not what it looked like. Instead of taking that obvious exit, they instead decided to go on a suicide nission by rejecting the results and pushing forward with him being a russian puppet.

I think if im Trump i might demand they hold an impeachment hearing. Force them to make thier case instead of letting them make uncorroborated allegations. I would not let them walk away from this. I would hang it on them like an albatross.



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This is why the report should have never been made public.

The report never drew conclusions on this. It merely outlined episodes that MIGHT be considered obstruction, and left it to partisans to decide for themselves.

Me walking across the street could be considered obstruction. It just depends on why i'm walking across the street.

You think partisans are going to be able to come to a reasonable conclusion themselves? Good luck with that.

This should have been left solely to congress, the house and senate both, to agree on. Not your keyboard laymen.

Sure, let's just hide everything from We the People, who are the ones who are supposed to be represented by the government. Nixon and Clinton are now heroes instead of lawbreakers. Jeez.
 
Sure, let's just hide everything from We the People, who are the ones who are supposed to be represented by the government. Nixon and Clinton are now heroes instead of lawbreakers. Jeez.
I thought congress were supposed to represent we, the people. You wouldn't trust a democrat congress to come to their conclusions? I mean....I would have to agree with you....but I would definitely trust them more without having a rabid media spinning a narrative for them.
 
Convicted felons, attorneys John Dean and Michael Cohen are their new heroes, their useful idiots.
Both of them are delusional, and both a couple of self-serving rats. Go figure, John Dean would be an expert on 'obstruction of justice'. :lol:

Democrats should run Avanetti - Cohen as their presidential team. Dean could head up the DNC.
 
Unfortunately, the left truly believes all the manufactured charges and outrageous lies they're pushing are for the good of the country. They're that ****ed up.

They don't believe it. It is constant dictated fake outrage and has been from the start.

Exactly everyone knows it was the Clinton team that was messing around with Russians and the Obama administration that was protecting and facilitating Russian interference in the election mistakenly certain Russian supported Hilary Clinton figuring the Clintons are their employees they gave over $100 million to thru their foundation and a personal tip to Bill Clinton of half a million dollars.
 
There are some juicy lines regarding Trump from Mr. Mueller. They'll be great in commercials and tv debates.

Lol. All the candidates should just address Trump as Mr. Obstruction.
 
They don't believe it. It is constant dictated fake outrage and has been from the start.

Exactly everyone knows it was the Clinton team that was messing around with Russians and the Obama administration that was protecting and facilitating Russian interference in the election mistakenly certain Russian supported Hilary Clinton figuring the Clintons are their employees they gave over $100 million to thru their foundation and a personal tip to Bill Clinton of half a million dollars.

At the top of the left, I agree. I can't give many of the rank and file on the left that much credit. I just had one of those folks tell me earlier today that the truth is the truth because he says so. What in the hell do you do with people like that?
 
Was it attempted obstruction by Trump, or simply understandable anger at the effort? I'm no Trump fan, but it seems more likely the latter.
There gets to be a certain point where we should expect the president to at least exhibit fairly normal emotions. He was aggrivated or angry. That doesnt mean you just start ordering people to lie or orsering people to fire investigators. If this were anyone else no one woukd ever buy the "i was jjst so angry i threw the documents in the shredder out of frustration. I didnt mean to obstruct!"

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Was it attempted obstruction by Trump, or simply understandable anger at the effort? I'm no Trump fan, but it seems more likely the latter.

“This sucks, I hate this investigation!” Is anger.’

“Fire the guy investigating me!” Is not “understandable anger.” The president of the United States saying such a thing to a subordinate is an order.
 
As invested as they are in the "Trump is a treasonous crook" natrative; what argument could they possibly make at this point, that would be acceptable to their audience, for not impeaching Trump?

They been waiting 2 years for this report to be finished, promising it would provide the evidence that proves Trump is guility of something. Now its here and they are saying its all the proof they need. So why is impeaching him a question? Just do it.

If they elect to pass on it. It begs the question; what the hell have they been talking about all this time.

Its like running 99yrds with a football and taking a knee right before the goal line.if they believe he is guility there is no acceptable reason for them not to do it



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Knowing Trump is a criminal is one thing, wrestling justice from the obstruct-o-cons is another. Some times it's better to let the criminal escape than to suffer the collateral damage that punishing him would create. It's the same philosophy that makes some police jurisdictions adopt a policy of non-pursuit rather than engage in a chase that hurts innocent people.

If the left were as authoritarian and binary in their thinking as conservatives, impeachment would be the only choice. They would see the political football and run with it. However, there are many on the left who would rather achieve their campaign promises rather than let bringing one criminal asshole to justice define them as sore losers, per the Repub apologist rhetoric.

That's why it might not be done. Because some politicians really do care about their country and Trump, as dirty as he is, may not be worth the cost of prosecution. He and his followers would drive through a crowd of babies to escape responsibility for what he does, and everyone knows it.
 
Knowing Trump is a criminal is one thing, wrestling justice from the obstruct-o-cons is another. Some times it's better to let the criminal escape than to suffer the collateral damage that punishing him would create. It's the same philosophy that makes some police jurisdictions adopt a policy of non-pursuit rather than engage in a chase that hurts innocent people.

If the left were as authoritarian and binary in their thinking as conservatives, impeachment would be the only choice. They would see the political football and run with it. However, there are many on the left who would rather achieve their campaign promises rather than let bringing one criminal asshole to justice define them as sore losers, per the Repub apologist rhetoric.

That's why it might not be done. Because some politicians really do care about their country and Trump, as dirty as he is, may not be worth the cost of prosecution. He and his followers would drive through a crowd of babies to escape responsibility for what he does, and everyone knows it.
Thats a huge cop out excuse.

The narrative being advanced by the left hasn't been that Trump is a petty theft. Its been that he is a huge threat to our democracy. That he is such a huge threat that nothing is out of bounds in the effort to remove him from office.

They now have Muellers reports. He was given as wide of a scope as he determined necessary, all the time and money he wanted. Now the results of that report are in. This rellrt was sullosedly the big hold out delaying the democrats from making thier case to the public of why he needs to be removed.

There is absolutely nothing stopping the Democrats from bring a vote to the floor and making their case to everyone of whatever it is they been fretting about for the last 2 years. The Republicans can not block the democrats from making their case to the public. How the republicans vote is meaningless in that regard.

If democrats make a strong case for his impeachment and removal from office the republicans who resist will pay dearly for that at the polls in 2020.

I know many in the media want to change their narrative now to something new but we all owed an explination from the people telling us how awful a person this report was going to prove trump is.

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Thats a huge cop out excuse.

The narrative being advanced by the left hasn't been that Trump is a petty theft. Its been that he is a huge threat to our democracy. That he is such a huge threat that nothing is out of bounds in the effort to remove him from office.

There's YOUR cop out. The liberal position is not to remove him by any means, it's to remove him by constitutional ones. It is by any means that he won his office.

Unfortunately, there is no way for the constitution to work when the divide between the people is nurtured by demagogues. The moneyed interests have figured out how to silence the vote, the only power of the people. All they do is keep us evenly divided on everything. Then we cancel each other out and we're left with the default system of bribery and cronyism being the norm and the politically neutered people's fate can rest in the hands of plutocrats as if nothing has changed in thousands of years.

Trump is not a petty thief, he's a pathological narcissist and a shameless, self-aggrandizing, amoral hedonist who ****s and robs and manipulates whomever he wishes with no concern for any consequences outside his own orange hide. How have you missed that part?

They now have Muellers reports. He was given as wide of a scope as he determined necessary, all the time and money he wanted. Now the results of that report are in. This rellrt was sullosedly the big hold out delaying the democrats from making thier case to the public of why he needs to be removed.

I think they certainly will, once they have a chance to put the puzzle together and create a case. Trump has made a decent case for his own removal, though, and wouldn't need the democrats' help in a world where repubs have an ounce of honor. Could you imagine if the Russian connection, with all the secret meetings, the indicted cabinet members, the Putin ass kissing, and warnings from the intelligence data of allies that they are meeting with Russian agents, was Obama's story? I can only imagine the bile that would be coming in via a right-wing fire hose. The sudden apathy to treason, when it's THEIR criminal, is telling of how loud money speaks to idiots and the right wing's listening.

There is absolutely nothing stopping the Democrats from bring a vote to the floor and making their case to everyone of whatever it is they been fretting about for the last 2 years. The Republicans can not block the democrats from making their case to the public. How the republicans vote is meaningless in that regard.

But the republicans CAN obstruct justice in their own way and you know it. The democrats know the republican base is immovable by facts. Thus, they will appeal to the independents and hope that enough of them have the balls to stand up, not to mere corruption but the corruption of our very national fabric with our faces rubbed in it. Justice for you and I becomes tyranny when that same justice is not applied equally to the rich and powerful like Trump. If you want to make America great, I'll join you. Let's start by making it a place where the fair hand of justice smacks rich asses evenly.

If democrats make a strong case for his impeachment and removal from office the republicans who resist will pay dearly for that at the polls in 2020.

That's true. They will pay. They won't break rank, though, because a strong case already exists to those with eyes and ears and they pretend it's all just partisanship.

I know many in the media want to change their narrative now to something new but we all owed an explination from the people telling us how awful a person this report was going to prove trump is.

Are you kidding me? The investigation took two years and they're supposed to process that in a day? This doesn't happen on your time, it's an investigation. You don't think you're going to get an ear full of what the democrats have to say? They will present their case, don't worry, they already have on many of Trump's stupid, reckless or traitorous actions. Again, how are you missing this?

The Democrats only have to prove how horrible a person Trump is to those who remain, INCREDIBLY, unconvinced by Trump himself. Have you seen the guy and heard what he says? How he sees the world? How horrible those who miss it?
 
There's YOUR cop out. The liberal position is not to remove him by any means, it's to remove him by constitutional ones. It is by any means that he won his office.

Unfortunately, there is no way for the constitution to work when the divide between the people is nurtured by demagogues. The moneyed interests have figured out how to silence the vote, the only power of the people. All they do is keep us evenly divided on everything. Then we cancel each other out and we're left with the default system of bribery and cronyism being the norm and the politically neutered people's fate can rest in the hands of plutocrats as if nothing has changed in thousands of years.

Trump is not a petty thief, he's a pathological narcissist and a shameless, self-aggrandizing, amoral hedonist who ****s and robs and manipulates whomever he wishes with no concern for any consequences outside his own orange hide. How have you missed that part?



I think they certainly will, once they have a chance to put the puzzle together and create a case. Trump has made a decent case for his own removal, though, and wouldn't need the democrats' help in a world where repubs have an ounce of honor. Could you imagine if the Russian connection, with all the secret meetings, the indicted cabinet members, the Putin ass kissing, and warnings from the intelligence data of allies that they are meeting with Russian agents, was Obama's story? I can only imagine the bile that would be coming in via a right-wing fire hose. The sudden apathy to treason, when it's THEIR criminal, is telling of how loud money speaks to idiots and the right wing's listening.



But the republicans CAN obstruct justice in their own way and you know it. The democrats know the republican base is immovable by facts. Thus, they will appeal to the independents and hope that enough of them have the balls to stand up, not to mere corruption but the corruption of our very national fabric with our faces rubbed in it. Justice for you and I becomes tyranny when that same justice is not applied equally to the rich and powerful like Trump. If you want to make America great, I'll join you. Let's start by making it a place where the fair hand of justice smacks rich asses evenly.



That's true. They will pay. They won't break rank, though, because a strong case already exists to those with eyes and ears and they pretend it's all just partisanship.



Are you kidding me? The investigation took two years and they're supposed to process that in a day? This doesn't happen on your time, it's an investigation. You don't think you're going to get an ear full of what the democrats have to say? They will present their case, don't worry, they already have on many of Trump's stupid, reckless or traitorous actions. Again, how are you missing this?

The Democrats only have to prove how horrible a person Trump is to those who remain, INCREDIBLY, unconvinced by Trump himself. Have you seen the guy and heard what he says? How he sees the world? How horrible those who miss it?
All i am saying is that if democrats wsnt tl be believed they need to lay out in detail why think what they do for everyone to understand their position.

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What surprises me is that this story was online at Breitbart. Not only that, Breitbart didn't call Dean a poopy head. LOL.

John Dean: Mueller Report Shows ‘Clear Obstruction’ | Breitbart

It showed no such thing as clear obstruction and this continued attempt at pretending to prove as much is just a waste.
How many threads now are there with some individual saying that the report points to clear obstruction. But they lack the actual ability to point out where such obstruction comes from and how it is actually viable for being called obstruction?

The democrats should just fight the man on policy alone. There are a few members in the DNC who can come up with some good ideas and that should be enough. If they can stop fighting one another for long enough, to become a cohesive group that is.
 
Re: John Dean: Mueller Report Shows ‘Clear Obstruction’

What surprises me is that this story was online at Breitbart. Not only that, Breitbart didn't call Dean a poopy head. LOL.

John Dean: Mueller Report Shows ‘Clear Obstruction’ | Breitbart

The last two years was an exam for all journalists, politicians and pundits. The goal was to see who could figure out the mystery called Trump-Russian collusion. It turns out, that the majority of professional people taking this exam received a failing grade. The Democrats was especially lacking in investigative skills. It turns out there are a lot of, dumb as a stump people, in high positions of influence. They all failed to use common sense logic, inference, and other journalistic skills to solve a relative complex scenario problem.

This same people who got a "F", are now ready to use their crystal balls again for the remedial summer school exam. Why would you trust them not to fail themselves, as well as you, again? It is one thing to have a bad exam day, but they did not appear to show that they learned anything from their two year failure. This lack of introspection does no bode well in terms of change the failing grade. I would put my trust in those who got "A's" in this difficult two year exam of investigative skills. Go back and see who got it right and learn from them. Dummies can only make more dummies.

Both the top; A and bottom level;F, investigators have been now given a second exam. Those who have aced the first exam, have been given an advanced placement; AP exam. Those who failed will be given a remedial exam that is much easier. The easy exam is called obstruction, of a crime that it turns out was not committed. The top tier students exam will be given an AP exam that involves the mystery of the front end of the collusion narrative.

The first part of the exam, started in the middle of the novel, which is what made it hard for the less skilled. This was a exam trick to separate the cream from the scum. The Advanced Placement exam, will have the most skilled people; A team, unravel the series of events, that led to so many so called experts, demonstrating their lack of investigative skills.

As far as audience participation, if you failed the home version of the test, I would recommend the remedial test. This is easier than the first exam, and might allow you to get your grade to a D or C-. Those at home who got A's, I recommend the AP test, since this will be more challenging and fun. The exams will begin now!
 
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