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Chaos at college talk as protester squirts unknown liquid at conservative speaker (VIDEOS)

Looks like he is going to be prosecuted, so that is good. He should also be expelled.

Contrary to popular trends, colleges are the last place on Earth that should offer "safe spaces". If your intellect can't handle it, don't go to college. If your only response is bleach, consider a career in the domestics where you can wash clothes for a living.
 
Contrary to popular trends, colleges are the last place on Earth that should offer "safe spaces". If your intellect can't handle it, don't go to college. If your only response is bleach, consider a career in the domestics where you can wash clothes for a living.

I don’t think it’s necessarily an intellect issue. Strikes me as more of an emotional maturity issue.
 
You're being so literal. It's the spirit of free speech and free discourse in public educational institutions that's under attack. People pay money to go see a speaker because they want to hear his ideas, and then these brats enter lecture halls with megaphones and sprays and shout him down so that nobody can hear him talk.

I am actually agreeing with you in principle for the most part, and I am a liberal.
That said, so called "free speakers" should be judged by college faculty as to the amount of "alternate facts" in their address to college audiences. Should Bhagwan Shree Rashneesh or David Koresh be allowed to sell their version of the world to a college audience?

My point is, it shouldn't be enough to just say "I am a conservative and I have ideas", if those ideas are no more grounded in reality than the idiots trying to shout them down. All speech might be "free of government sanction" but that doesn't mean that a college is obligated to let just any yahoo take the podium because they have a following and they're selling lots of tickets.

They usually shout non-sense like accusing them of being fascists, racists, bigots, etc when the speakers typically aren't.
I'm pointing out leftist hypocrisy here. They accuse people of being fascists yet won't let them talk. Do as I say, not as I do.
I want to see a marketplace for free thinking, not thought or speech control.

What you're seeing when this happens is, the LIBERALISM in these people has failed. They have lost control of their own liberalism and are resorting to fascist tactics themselves, even as they accuse their target of BEING fascists.

Fascism is ridiculously easy, all you have to do is lose your temper and start stomping on anyone or anything you disagree with, and engage in peddling massive lies. But it already starts when you lose your temper, the next step is just a foregone conclusion.

It is mighty difficult to BE a liberal and it is mighty difficult to understand liberalism, because it requires critical thinking, and am appreciation for facts.

Once these people start shouting and spraying stuff, they've failed as liberals. They've washed out.

PS: It is noteworthy that Michael Knowles SELLS HIMSELF AS “a dapper, lib-triggering troll”.
Think about this for a moment, would you please?
How much FACTUAL argument are we really going to see?
If he's selling himself thusly, it's like going to a WWE event and expecting to actually see real Greco-Roman wrestling, seeing a bonafide sport.

People who sell themselves that way aren't actually interested in promoting ideas. Knowles has already said what he is, and he admitted what he's actually there to do.

Not very genuine, so if he's really only there to "trigger libtards" then what he really is, is a DRUG DEALER and the DRUG he's peddling is being consumed by the conservative audience, who really only came to see "triggered libtards".

Free speech? More like "bull **** disguised AS free speech".
A dapper lib-triggering troll?

How about let's see if a liberal marketing themselves as a "Jesus-hating con-tard triggering troll" would be allowed to speak at Bob Jones or Liberty University.

The difference is, we're not here to play games. Anyone doing a speech at a college campus marketing themselves as a dapper lib-triggering troll isn't serious. Why is the college even obligated to accommodate them in the first place?
 
I don’t think it’s necessarily an intellect issue. Strikes me as more of an emotional maturity issue.

Seems like an anti-intellectual issue, something that leftists and rightists share in common these days. (Talking about the extremes, not your typical liberals and conservatives)
 
I don’t think it’s necessarily an intellect issue. Strikes me as more of an emotional maturity issue.

Well, of course, if you think marketing your speaker as a "Dapper lib-triggering troll" represents emotional maturity...
 
That makes it okay then?

Last time I checked, only left-wingers are invading college classrooms to disrupt scheduled talks.

Last time I checked, only right wing campus speakers are coming for the express purpose of triggering liberals.
 
Yeah you guys go ahead and carry the torch for Michael Knowles if you want. Who do we have to accommodate next, Scott Baio, better known as Chachi Arcola from Happy Days?

How about Ted Nugent? Should all the universities set time aside for Uncle Ted, too?
How about Alex Jones? Roger Stone?

Should we be forced to just open the floodgates and let all the Right wing trolls invade the campus and take up all the time set aside for political speech?
 
As do the rabid right-wing rabble rousers with their hate speech.
Seriously? Attacking with an unknown substance is equivalent to free speech?
 
Seems like an anti-intellectual issue, something that leftists and rightists share in common these days. (Talking about the extremes, not your typical liberals and conservatives)

would not call this speaker an intellectual, which causes me to have to disagree with that portion of your post
but that person held the speaker's dias and should be entitled to make his presentation to whatever audience is interested enough to listen to what he has to say
THEN, members of the audience should VERBALLY show their appreciation of, or opposition to, the speaker's comments

it bothers me when i see members of my own progressive cohort come to the defense of such a wrongful, physical assault as described in the OP
 
would not call this speaker an intellectual, which causes me to have to disagree with that portion of your post
but that person held the speaker's dias and should be entitled to make his presentation to whatever audience is interested enough to listen to what he has to say
THEN, members of the audience should VERBALLY show their appreciation of, or opposition to, the speaker's comments

it bothers me when i see members of my own progressive cohort come to the defense of such a wrongful, physical assault as described in the OP

---I actually went to one of these conservative "events" two years ago.
The so called time allotment for members of the audience to "VERBALLY show their appreciation of, or opposition to, the speaker's comments" was zero, because the moment the speaker was finished, they left, refusing to take any questions or comments.
They came to do a drive-by shooting, get people all pissed off and they accomplished their mission.
 
---I actually went to one of these conservative "events" two years ago.
The so called time allotment for members of the audience to "VERBALLY show their appreciation of, or opposition to, the speaker's comments" was zero, because the moment the speaker was finished, they left, refusing to take any questions or comments.
They came to do a drive-by shooting, get people all pissed off and they accomplished their mission.

so, what you are sharing with us is that the only cause served by your presence was the other side's

which is a major reason why no one should attend a KKK rally

without an audience, there is only a rehearsal; no actual show
 
so, what you are sharing with us is that the only cause served by your presence was the other side's

which is a major reason why no one should attend a KKK rally

without an audience, there is only a rehearsal; no actual show

I went because a conservative friend wanted me to go. I went. (shrug)
He was sure that I would benefit from a well rounded presentation of ideas but it was really mostly a rehash of some old tropes, makers versus takers and moochers, liberals are America haters, Democrats sympathize with communists, Obama pals around with terrorists, the ACA is a government takeover of healthcare, etc.
Oh and, God Bless Donald Trump, although he wasn't quite yet in front runner status at the time, not yet.
 
Contrary to popular trends, colleges are the last place on Earth that should offer "safe spaces". If your intellect can't handle it, don't go to college. If your only response is bleach, consider a career in the domestics where you can wash clothes for a living.

I 100% agree. If your system of beliefs and assumptions aren't constantly being challenged in college, then you are doing it wrong.
 
Also heinous, but at least they're straightforward.

Which is why liberals should get comfortable with the 2A. There is absolutely nothing wrong with shooting a guy who is trying to burn down your church, or your house, or your business. Maybe if such heartfelt deeply held "conservative" beliefs that inspire arson came at a heavy price, such "conservatives" would rethink their love of matches.
 
Which is why liberals should get comfortable with the 2A. There is absolutely nothing wrong with shooting a guy who is trying to burn down your church, or your house, or your business. Maybe if such heartfelt deeply held "conservative" beliefs that inspire arson came at a heavy price, such "conservatives" would rethink their love of matches.

Actually, there is a problem with that. It's illegal...lol

The dude who torched the churches in Louisiana is a gamer nerd, BTW.
 
I am actually agreeing with you in principle for the most part, and I am a liberal.
That said, so called "free speakers" should be judged by college faculty as to the amount of "alternate facts" in their address to college audiences. Should Bhagwan Shree Rashneesh or David Koresh be allowed to sell their version of the world to a college audience?

I hear what you're saying, but - and not to get too dry about this - think of the economics of the situation. The speaker pays the college a nominal fee to rent a lecture hall, the rental is ostensibly equitable because the speaker has an actual audience who wants to see them. The speaker then speaks, with campus security making sure nothing unduely harmful happens.

Sometimes the speaker speaks for free, on an ideological basis.

Almost always, the speaker has a Q&A period wherein even opponents can go up to the mic and ask controversial questions, some even attacking the speaker directly. Nonetheless, a heated verbal attack in that way is still part of discourse because it allows a two-way dialogue.

If a person's ideas are so crackpot and have no merits, then why do they have followers. And who decides what is too crackpot or "wrong" to hold an event at a campus? Leftists?

I mean... there are two levels of arrogance to this: 1) You (as in general you, not YOU you) think that the idea is so corrosive that it deserves to be shutdown and nobody should get to even have a dialogue about it; 2) You think your idea is so much more meritorious that it deserves to override all other ideas and their dialogues.

Let's face it... leftists are pretty crackpot these days, not much better than rightists. They call anyone a fascist, bigot, racist, misogynist, anti-trans, pro-colonialist, you name it, just for disagreeing with them. People like Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro, even apolitical centrists like Jordan Peterson and Christina Hoff Sommers (a feminist, btw) all get called these things when there is no basis for it. (Side note: I'm not a fan of any of these people, but I am aware of their position on many topics.)

Most of these leftists are under 30, angry, immature, and irresponsible college students who think the world should just kowtow to them because they learned about oppression in gender studies class. College sure has changed since I was in it!
 
would not call this speaker an intellectual, which causes me to have to disagree with that portion of your post
but that person held the speaker's dias and should be entitled to make his presentation to whatever audience is interested enough to listen to what he has to say
THEN, members of the audience should VERBALLY show their appreciation of, or opposition to, the speaker's comments

it bothers me when i see members of my own progressive cohort come to the defense of such a wrongful, physical assault as described in the OP

I'm not calling him an intellect. You know what I mean. The format is in a lecture hall, with an audience, listening to a speaker, and then having a discourse. That is an intellectual format. Colleges are supposed to be the one place where ideas can be shared freely - yes, even bad ones or ones I disagree with - so that their pros and cons, merits and demerits can be ascertained. That can't happen if a mob comes in and drowns out the speaker, or sprays them with bleach (or essential oil, or whatever it was).

It's censorship, plain and simple. What I'm arguing for is freedom of speech, not freedom from critique.

I have directly spoken to leftists who, in a very well thought out but convoluted way, justify why "free speech" is just an excuse for bigotry and shouldn't be allowed. I would rather bigots run their mouths in the streets and be challenged directly than have political correctness shut them up so that we don't even know that subversive ideas are proliferating in our society. That's how fascist countries come to be. It becomes impolitic to talk about certain things, until a specific group seizes power on that basis, and then simply talking about an idea becomes traitorous.

That's what happened in the USSR, and China come to think of it. And guess what, the leftism started in the universities. Then the students fanned out into society as a self-organized Red Guard and started beating elders who didn't kowtow to ideas. The powers that be who benefited from their mini-insurrection watched with glee because suddenly the stupid children were ruling over the adults, and smashing the old order in the process. Scary stuff!

Leftism is dangerous. Just as much as rightism. I'm not saying the U.S. is anywhere near that right now, and one of the reasons why is because the majority still support a First Amendment culture. If people stop fighting for the free speech of their opponents, we are doomed.
 
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I hear what you're saying, but - and not to get too dry about this - think of the economics of the situation. The speaker pays the college a nominal fee to rent a lecture hall, the rental is ostensibly equitable because the speaker has an actual audience who wants to see them. The speaker then speaks, with campus security making sure nothing unduely harmful happens.

Sometimes the speaker speaks for free, on an ideological basis.

Almost always, the speaker has a Q&A period wherein even opponents can go up to the mic and ask controversial questions, some even attacking the speaker directly. Nonetheless, a heated verbal attack in that way is still part of discourse because it allows a two-way dialogue.

If a person's ideas are so crackpot and have no merits, then why do they have followers. And who decides what is too crackpot or "wrong" to hold an event at a campus? Leftists?

I mean... there are two levels of arrogance to this: 1) You (as in general you, not YOU you) think that the idea is so corrosive that it deserves to be shutdown and nobody should get to even have a dialogue about it; 2) You think your idea is so much more meritorious that it deserves to override all other ideas and their dialogues.

Let's face it... leftists are pretty crackpot these days, not much better than rightists. They call anyone a fascist, bigot, racist, misogynist, anti-trans, pro-colonialist, you name it, just for disagreeing with them. People like Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro, even apolitical centrists like Jordan Peterson and Christina Hoff Sommers (a feminist, btw) all get called these things when there is no basis for it. (Side note: I'm not a fan of any of these people, but I am aware of their position on many topics.)

Most of these leftists are under 30, angry, immature, and irresponsible college students who think the world should just kowtow to them because they learned about oppression in gender studies class. College sure has changed since I was in it!

How about we start by limiting the number of guests who bill themselves as being famous for anything involving "triggering", while being mindful that the word itself needs to be eliminated.

That doesn't make sense, probably...my point is, if you're looking to rent a lecture hall, and your reputation is such that you're known for creating a spectacle, go rent a hall at the American Legion or the Elks Club.
The university should not be under any obligation to rent to assholes, on EITHER side.

I think it's pretty obvious what this guy is all about.

It's a university. Maybe we should keep the lecture halls for people who actually have educational credentials. The university does not actually need to be in the hall rental business at all.

I realize that the campus social justice warriors are annoying as ****.
I don't sympathize with them or their worthless curriculum either.

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I also know that they are a fraction of the campus population, maybe seven percent.
Seven percent of anything isn't going to go away. Seven percent of anything just falls out of style and is replaced by something else that becomes seven percent.
 
Last time I checked, only right wing campus speakers are coming for the express purpose of triggering liberals.

Maybe so. If they're just crackpots, then they're not going to have a significant impact on politics, now are they?

Yeah you guys go ahead and carry the torch for Michael Knowles if you want. Who do we have to accommodate next, Scott Baio, better known as Chachi Arcola from Happy Days?

How about Ted Nugent? Should all the universities set time aside for Uncle Ted, too?
How about Alex Jones? Roger Stone?

Should we be forced to just open the floodgates and let all the Right wing trolls invade the campus and take up all the time set aside for political speech?

I'm not carrying a torch for anybody. If someone wants to rent space from a campus and they have an audience that wants to attend, who are you to tell them they can't do it? Who is anybody to interfere with their talk? Are we so threatened by ideas we detest that we won't even let them talk about it?

That's the thing about ideas... you can't kill them with direct attacks. If anything, direct attack just gives them more PR and makes them stronger. Conversely, bad ideas die a quick death in a free polity. If there is a marketplace for bigots, then the issue is that our society harbors bigotry. How about we talk about that?

Suppressing speech leads nowhere and solves nothing.
 
How about we start by limiting the number of guests who bill themselves as being famous for anything involving "triggering", while being mindful that the word itself needs to be eliminated.

That doesn't make sense, probably...my point is, if you're looking to rent a lecture hall, and your reputation is such that you're known for creating a spectacle, go rent a hall at the American Legion or the Elks Club.
The university should not be under any obligation to rent to assholes, on EITHER side.

I think it's pretty obvious what this guy is all about.

It's a university. Maybe we should keep the lecture halls for people who actually have educational credentials. The university does not actually need to be in the hall rental business at all.

I realize that the campus social justice warriors are annoying as ****.
I don't sympathize with them or their worthless curriculum either.

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I also know that they are a fraction of the campus population, maybe seven percent.
Seven percent of anything isn't going to go away. Seven percent of anything just falls out of style and is replaced by something else that becomes seven percent.

I'm not a big fan of this "triggered" culture. No, a speaker shouldn't be banned because they "trigger" you. If you're such a snowflake, then don't attend the talk.

Likewise, who are you to decide that someone is an asshole and shouldn't be allowed?

Most universities, AFAIK, have an anti-discrimination policy. So they're not going to allow people in spouting true hate. Right-wing ideas, however much you hate them, are not hate speech. Trump (who I can't believe I'm quoting right now) even just reminded universities with an executive order that speech must be maintained if they want public money.

**** "triggering" and safe spaces. That's not how university worked in my day. If you had a disagreement with people, you had it out. You sometimes even shouted it out, but you got your points across. That's how social culture works in a free polity. You don't get to be insulated from ideas that offend you. Not in this country.
 
I'm not a big fan of this "triggered" culture. No, a speaker shouldn't be banned because they "trigger" you. If you're such a snowflake, then don't attend the talk.

Likewise, who are you to decide that someone is an asshole and shouldn't be allowed?

Most universities, AFAIK, have an anti-discrimination policy. So they're not going to allow people in spouting true hate. Right-wing ideas, however much you hate them, are not hate speech. Trump (who I can't believe I'm quoting right now) even just reminded universities with an executive order that speech must be maintained if they want public money.

**** "triggering" and safe spaces. That's not how university worked in my day. If you had a disagreement with people, you had it out. You sometimes even shouted it out, but you got your points across. That's how social culture works in a free polity. You don't get to be insulated from ideas that offend you. Not in this country.

No no, I said that if their REPUTATION consists mostly of being famous for being an asshole who enjoys "triggering" groups of people, it's questionable if they have anything to justify speaking at a college, at least as far as the college's obligation to rent to them.
Should we also rent to the local Fundamentalist Mormons? Maybe Warren Jeffs?

Look at what this Michael Knowles is famous for...then you tell me.

Where I draw the line on ideas (right wing or otherwise) is if the group has a documented historical body count of thousands or even millions of innocent dead people. Sorry, Richard Spencer falls into that category. So do former members of the Symbionese Liberation Army. So do followers of Charles Manson and The Weathermen.
 
By the way, you might want to check out Episode 492 (tonight's) of Real Time with Bill Maher.
 
No no, I said that if their REPUTATION consists mostly of being famous for being an asshole who enjoys "triggering" groups of people, it's questionable if they have anything to justify speaking at a college, at least as far as the college's obligation to rent to them.
Should we also rent to the local Fundamentalist Mormons? Maybe Warren Jeffs?

Look at what this Michael Knowles is famous for...then you tell me.

Where I draw the line on ideas (right wing or otherwise) is if the group has a documented historical body count of thousands or even millions of innocent dead people. Sorry, Richard Spencer falls into that category. So do former members of the Symbionese Liberation Army. So do followers of Charles Manson and The Weathermen.

I see what you mean. I think universities already practice the kind of discernment you're asking for, otherwise the universities themselves would lose reputation.
 
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