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We Already Know There Was Collusion

uptower said:
It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."
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Wrong. Trump was found to not have colluded.... :shrug:
 
Joecool44 said:
LOL. Avenatti self destructed quite quickly. Even Stormy doesn't want to be associated with him now.
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And she doesn't appear to be particularly picky either!

<Zing!>
 
TurtleDude said:
Looks like twice in the last several months, Democrat operatives attempts to smear have come up empty. We had the idiocy thrown at Kavanaugh-and now the leader of that witch hunt appears to be destined to be a prison bitch, and now the Mueller investigation was an expensive waste of tax dollars.
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Any time when any level of government conducts a serious level of navel gazing it's going to cost just tons of tax payer money. Nothing new here.

Given that this whole 'Trump / Russia collusion' narrative was started in Obama's FBI and DOJ (as probably elsewhere in his administration), included what appears to be FISA court warrant fraud, I would suspect that if Mueller wanted continued employment that there'd be an opportunity for him here.

Maybe this time he could dip into the DOJ and find equally raging Republicans as a staff?
 
Joecool44 said:
LOL. Avenatti self destructed quite quickly. Even Stormy doesn't want to be associated with him now.
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Even slutty ho's have some standards!
 
This thread certainly didn't age well, lol.
 
eohrnberger said:
Any time when any level of government conducts a serious level of navel gazing it's going to cost just tons of tax payer money. Nothing new here.

Given that this whole 'Trump / Russia collusion' narrative was started in Obama's FBI and DOJ (as probably elsewhere in his administration), included what appears to be FISA court warrant fraud, I would suspect that if Mueller wanted continued employment that there'd be an opportunity for him here.

Maybe this time he could dip into the DOJ and find equally raging Republicans as a staff?
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If there is no special investigator into this extreme hoax and attempted coup against the elected government, our government really is a banana republic government.
 
uptower said:
Yes I am happy to accept the finding that the Trump campaign did not collude with the Russians. That's all we have for the time being and if it is indeed the final word, that's how it will stay. Just reading my post again would have confirmed that.

As for Barr's spin on obstruction, that's a 'wait and see': remember we only have Trump's guy's opinion of the report to go on, not the report itself.

As for all the other criminality being investigated, jury's still out.
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The problem is the criminality is NOT being investigated.
 
Taylor said:
This thread certainly didn't age well, lol.
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Not much different than the raging drama queens who were sure that the second investigation of Kavanaugh would come up with something OTHER than a psychotic prevaricating nut case combined with outright perjuring twits.
 
joko104 said:
If there is no special investigator into this extreme hoax and attempted coup against the elected government, our government really is a banana republic government.
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Yup. And made so . . when was that? Hmmm. Give me a minute. . . . Right on the tip of my tough. . . Hmm....
 
uptower said:
It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."
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Mueller was charged with finding if Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians to influence the election. Of course we know that international businessmen to international business. Mueller said there was no collusion to influence the election. Amazon "colluded" with New York State & City politicians to build another headquarters there.
 
Moderate Right said:
Mueller was charged with finding if Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians to influence the election. Of course we know that international businessmen to international business. Mueller said there was no collusion to influence the election. Amazon "colluded" with New York State & City politicians to build another headquarters there.
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Maybe Nunes or some other shill can open an investigation into Amazon then. I never liked Bezos anyway.
 
ludin said:
Mueller says there is no evidence lmao.
did you not read the summary?
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I read Barr's summary. Please link to the Mueller report so I can read what Mueller said. You obviously have a copy of it. What did he say there was no evidence of?
 
ludin said:
that is how america works.

You are innocent until proven guilty. if there is no charges there is no crime pretty much.
actually he didn't obstruct justice and both Rodstein and Barr already looked at that charge
and mueller even stated that it was weak given that fact there was no evidence of collusion.

sorry no collusion
no obstruction.
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You don't need collusion to have happened in order for obstruction to happen. You should probably bone up on laws.

Where is Mueller's report so I can see where he said "no obstruction"? You obviously have a copy of it.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Don't believe Trump. Believe Mueller. And you don't have to believe Barr's interpretation of Mueller report. Just look at Mueller's indictments. Nobody on the Trump side was indicted for their role in a conspiracy to fix the 2016 election. In his indictment of Stone, Mueller said that the campaign didn't know what Wikileaks had or when it was to be released. Kind of tough to coordinate in such a circumstance.
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I haven't seen what Mueller said. Can you please share with me his report?

I never said anyone was indicted for collusion. Not sure what indictments you want me to look at.

I also said that I wouldn't know if there was collusion or not. I wasn't involved nor was I there.
 
" It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. "

~ A lot LESS than more ...
 
tres borrachos said:
I haven't seen what Mueller said. Can you please share with me his report?

I never said anyone was indicted for collusion. Not sure what indictments you want me to look at.

I also said that I wouldn't know if there was collusion or not. I wasn't involved nor was I there.
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The indictment of Stone, where Mueller said the Trump campaign didn't know about the content or quantity of the emails.
As by the fall of 2016 the campaign was still in the dark about what Wikileaks, and by extension Russia had, it shouldn't be surprising that Mueller found no evidence of coordination.
 
Moderate Right said:
Mueller was charged with finding if Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians to influence the election. Of course we know that international businessmen to international business. Mueller said there was no collusion to influence the election. Amazon "colluded" with New York State & City politicians to build another headquarters there.
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New York State and City? Did you type that with a straight face?

Russia is a foreign adversary. NY State isn't.

That's an absurd comparison that makes no sense.

The only thing we do know is that Trump's campaign attempted to get dirt from a foreign adversary on Hillary Clinton. That's a proven fact. Was it collusion? Nobody seems to say. Collusion isn't a crime anyway.

But I wouldn't expect a Trump supporter to care anyway. Clinton is a Democrat, and you've already made it clear you'd rather have a pedophile than a Democrat.
 
Athanasius68 said:
The indictment of Stone, where Mueller said the Trump campaign didn't know about the content or quantity of the emails.
As by the fall of 2016 the campaign was still in the dark about what Wikileaks, and by extension Russia had, it shouldn't be surprising that Mueller found no evidence of coordination.
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What does Stone's indictment have to do with my posts? Stone wasn't working with the Trump campaign.
 
tres borrachos said:
New York State and City? Did you type that with a straight face?

Russia is a foreign adversary. NY State isn't.

That's an absurd comparison that makes no sense.

The only thing we do know is that Trump's campaign attempted to get dirt from a foreign adversary on Hillary Clinton. That's a proven fact. Was it collusion? Nobody seems to say. Collusion isn't a crime anyway.

But I wouldn't expect a Trump supporter to care anyway. Clinton is a Democrat, and you've already made it clear you'd rather have a pedophile than a Democrat.
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It's a strange attitude considering that the Clinton campaign did get dirt on Mr. Trump from Russia-- and I don't believe there was a temporary lull in their status as main foreign adversary when Clinton received it. Heck-- the Obama Admin even used such dirt from our main foreign adversary in legal proceedings.
 
tres borrachos said:
I read Barr's summary. Please link to the Mueller report so I can read what Mueller said. You obviously have a copy of it. What did he say there was no evidence of?
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LMAO his summary is from the report the mueller gave did you not read?
of course you didn't read so i will simplify it for you.

No collusion
No obstruction.
 
tres borrachos said:
You don't need collusion to have happened in order for obstruction to happen. You should probably bone up on laws.

Where is Mueller's report so I can see where he said "no obstruction"? You obviously have a copy of it.
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Please show me where you know more about this than Muller, and the DOJ that made the call.
"After reviewing the Special Counsel’s final report on these issues… Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."

all it takes is you actually reading not that you care.
you will continue to be dishonest.

See right there in black and white confirmed with other people
No obstruction. all it takes is reading and being honest.
 
uptower said:
That's projection

It's a fantasy that the report will be all about Sanders, Clinton, Uranium One. If that were the case, Trump would be screaming it from the rooftops already. The Dems want the report released. No small number of republican congressmen want it released. It's going to happen.
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It'll get released in proper redacted form, then Dems will call it a cover up for not getting released in full. It's so cliche that it's boring.
 
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