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We Already Know There Was Collusion

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It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."
 
Who has been charged with collusion so far?
 
uptower said:
It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."
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At the risk of seeming sardonic, it's plausible that Trump is too stupid to have known "what was what" regarding the nature of the collusion that transpired and of which he was a part.
 
uptower said:
It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."
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He also said on Air Force One that he had no knowledge of the $130,000 check to Stormy Daniels. Now we know he was lying because we saw the reimbursement check.

You can't take anything Trump says at face value.
 
Fletch said:
Who has been charged with collusion so far?
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No one yet. Just because there have not been any charges does not mean it did not happen.
It will be interesting to see the 3 dozen indictments that are sealed to be released.
 
uptower said:
It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."
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This must be nothing but a big fat troll thread. We all know the big "Russian collusion" story was untrue and unproven.
There is no Russian collusion! Who did Muller charge with Russian collusion? waiting.... Crickets....... ;)
 
SCrider said:
No one yet. Just because there have not been any charges does not mean it did not happen.
It will be interesting to see the 3 dozen indictments that are sealed to be released.
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You have zero proof that they have anything to do with Trump correct?
 
uptower said:
It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."
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It's more or less established that Mother Jones doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
 
OK now we get it... The story is from Mother Jones

Breaking news??
 
Common Sense 1 said:
This must be nothing but a big fat troll thread. We all know the big "Russian collusion" story was untrue and unproven.
There is no Russian collusion! Who did Muller charge with Russian collusion? waiting.... Crickets....... ;)
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The gullible must keep their delusion alive.
 
Xelor said:
At the risk of seeming sardonic, it's plausible that Trump is too stupid to have known "what was what" regarding the nature of the collusion that transpired and of which he was a part.
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it's almost a given he probably didn't quite know the laws or care to find out. But then they all knew it was wrong enough to make some effort at secrecy.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
This must be nothing but a big fat troll thread. We all know the big "Russian collusion" story was untrue and unproven.
There is no Russian collusion! Who did Muller charge with Russian collusion? waiting.... Crickets....... ;)
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Manafort for starters. 'Collusion' itself is not a charge, it's a catch-all for a series of crimes, many of which campaign associates have indeed been charged with. It's in the article.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
You have zero proof that they have anything to do with Trump correct?
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How about common sense?

Everyone knows that nothing happens in a trump organization without his knowledge, you really believe that JR, kushner, manafort, stone (who just plead the fifth), poppa D, and all the rest, were operating behind the Dons back???
 
Thoreau72 said:
The gullible must keep their delusion alive.
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Why not wait to see what our money bought?
Mueller report coming to your neighborhood soon.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
This must be nothing but a big fat troll thread. We all know the big "Russian collusion" story was untrue and unproven.
There is no Russian collusion! Who did Muller charge with Russian collusion? waiting.... Crickets....... ;)
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if Barr is the Man America needs, he can now get to work on counter prosecution as early as next week.If I were one of those
formerly at the top of the FBI or others like Brennan & Lynch I'd bracing myself for a bleak future.Let's get to where the
real criminality lies.
 
uptower said:
It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."
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Let us be honest here: the claim was that Trump and/or his campaign conspired with Putin to fix the 2016 election in favor of Trump.

Now we are reduced to: a Trump campaign manager (one of three BTW) had connections to a Russian who himself might have connections to Russian intelligence (and did have connections to John McCain).
And at a time when Russia was targeting the 2016 election.
Not much there.
 
It always makes me laugh when someone says that a control freak like trump didn't know what was going on.

Please guys you know the truth. You just want to support trump. For whatever reason i will never understand. He has done absolutely to better the lives of his supporters. On the other hand he has certainly helped his peers just as republicans always do.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
You have zero proof that they have anything to do with Trump correct?
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Considering the investigation was of Trump's campaign, I'm pretty sure most of them have "something" to do with Trump.
 
"Even if Mueller’s final report does not implicate the president in criminal conduct, the investigation was far from fruitless. His team brought charges against 34 people, including six Trump associates, and three companies. His prosecutors revealed a sweeping criminal effort by Russians to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and showed that people connected to the Trump campaign were eager to exploit emails stolen from Democrats."

Trump intensifies effort to discredit Mueller report as Russia inquiry nears end | US news | The Guardian
 
SCrider said:
No one yet. Just because there have not been any charges does not mean it did not happen.
It will be interesting to see the 3 dozen indictments that are sealed to be released.
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They can't be charged with collusion because collusion isn't even in the legal dictionary in regards to this issue.

Conspiracy is.

Did they conspire? I don't know.

I know this. I've been silent on this investigation since it began. The investigation began to look at Russian interference. Trump started the collusion narrative.
 
SCrider said:
No one yet. Just because there have not been any charges does not mean it did not happen.
It will be interesting to see the 3 dozen indictments that are sealed to be released.
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There aren't any ...
 
uptower said:
"Even if Mueller’s final report does not implicate the president in criminal conduct, the investigation was far from fruitless. His team brought charges against 34 people, including six Trump associates, and three companies. His prosecutors revealed a sweeping criminal effort by Russians to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and showed that people connected to the Trump campaign were eager to exploit emails stolen from Democrats."

Trump intensifies effort to discredit Mueller report as Russia inquiry nears end | US news | The Guardian
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And have absolutely nothing to do with a Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy.
 
Obscurity said:
They can't be charged with collusion because collusion isn't even in the legal dictionary in regards to this issue.

Conspiracy is.

Did they conspire? I don't know.

I know this. I've been silent on this investigation since it began. The investigation began to look at Russian interference. Trump started the collusion narrative.
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*Trump started the collusion narrative*

No, the media started the collusion narrative.

Where the Heck Did the Term 'Collusion' Come From? - Lawfare
 
Athanasius68 said:
Let us be honest here: the claim was that Trump and/or his campaign conspired with Putin to fix the 2016 election in favor of Trump.

Now we are reduced to: a Trump campaign manager (one of three BTW) had connections to a Russian who himself might have connections to Russian intelligence (and did have connections to John McCain).
And at a time when Russia was targeting the 2016 election.
Not much there.
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I always like it when a conservative starts a post with "lets be honest". You just know its not going to be. And athan did not disappoint. the claim is Trump and/or his campaign conspired to work with a foreign power to help him win the election. like all conservatives you have to "misparaphrase" the issue to argue it.
 
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