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There are mounting signs of military planning for Venezuela

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There are mounting signs of military planning for Venezuela


President Donald Trump has been talking about ordering a military operation targeting Venezuela since 2017.

At first, that was widely dismissed as a rash threat, but the idea of a U.S. effort to force “regime change” in the oil-rich South American country may be gaining momentum in Washington.

“It’s a regime that, frankly, could be toppled very quickly by the military if the military decides to do that,” Trump said in September.

In January, National Security Adviser John Bolton flashed a notebook that read “5,000 troops to Colombia."

And on Monday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo ordered all U.S. diplomats to leave Venezuela, saying their presence there “has become a constraint on U.S. policy,” hinting at opening potential military options.

Speculation about a military assault on Venezuela was also fueled by Trump’s recent appointment of a former George W. Bush administration official who was an architect of the Iraq War, Elliot Abrams, to be the new “Special Representative for Venezuela.”
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It looks like the White House is playing with public opinion by issuing threats while at the same time being rather ambiguous as to whether or not some action is actually being planned.
So far, neither the White House nor the Pentagon has signaled what approach the U.S. might take to end the crisis.

“They keep saying ‘all the options are on the table,’ but they refuse to articulate them. That’s kind of weird, and we’re left to speculate,”
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Trump believes in make love not war.He still wants that Nobel Peace Prize.
 
Somerville said:
This is not good



It looks like the White House is playing with public opinion by issuing threats while at the same time being rather ambiguous as to whether or not some action is actually being planned.
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Andrew McCabe heard the following from the president.

“That’s the country we should be going to war with, They have all that oil and they’re right on our back door.” pg. 130

Like most failed leaders Trump is pivoting to foreign policy to try and sway the election. He will go to war with a Socialist country, while also campaigning against the socialism in the Democratic Party.
 
Personally, I think we ought to stay out of that mess. Maduro is great at making an ass out of himself (just like every other socialist leader) and will eventually implode without America having to launch a military intervention.
 
PoS said:
Personally, I think we ought to stay out of that mess. Maduro is great at making an ass out of himself (just like every other socialist leader) and will eventually implode without America having to launch a military intervention.
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Agreed. We seem to have a long history of leaving just as much of a mess as what we claimed we were going in to deal with.
 
Somerville said:
This is not good



It looks like the White House is playing with public opinion by issuing threats while at the same time being rather ambiguous as to whether or not some action is actually being planned.
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sigh...

When will people stop reading nonsense? Hell, when will people stop WRITING nonsense?

Trump hasn't been "talking about ordering a military operation targeting Venezuela since 2017." He has only answered questions about military action with the usual American government position that "all options are on the table". That article writer is just being dishonest.

And of course, Trump and every other President will refuse to articulate what their options are. It's a no-brainer that we don't tell people what we "might" do...before we actually decide to do it.

So no, Somerville, the WH is NOT playing with public opinion. If anything, they are trying to keep Maduro and his allies off balance. That's a good thing, believe me.
 
Somerville said:
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It looks like the White House is playing with public opinion by issuing threats while at the same time being rather ambiguous as to whether or not some action is actually being planned.
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What would be a good political move is to work with the OAS if military intervention is indeed required. Leading the Central/South American countries to clean up in their own back yard would be a sign the US is more interested in helping others help themselves than just going in and setting up shop as per usual.
 
This should be a UN issue; not a US issue. It should be up to the world and not to individual nations to repair failed states.
 
TrueScotsman said:
Andrew McCabe heard the following from the president.

“That’s the country we should be going to war with, They have all that oil and they’re right on our back door.” pg. 130
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Andy McCabe is a known liar. Try again.
 
Cardinal said:
This should be a UN issue; not a US issue. It should be up to the world and not to individual nations to repair failed states.
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The UN is useless. Their condemnation of the recent crap Maduro is doing was about as weak as hitting someone with a feather.
 
Roadvirus said:
The UN is useless. Their condemnation of the recent crap Maduro is doing was about as weak as hitting someone with a feather.
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You can say that, but without the global community's effort to fix a failed state, the one country riding to the rescue owns the result, good or bad. As the old proverb goes, "When you save a man, you are responsible for him his whole life."

Are you okay with being the proud new owner of Venezuela? Are you okay with possibly making Venezuela even worse and then walking away when it doesn't work out conveniently? Because both of those outcomes are extremely likely.
 
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Somerville said:
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It looks like the White House is playing with public opinion by issuing threats while at the same time being rather ambiguous as to whether or not some action is actually being planned.
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Basic fact of life: Any time there is a crisis anywhere in the world the Pentagon makes plans for the use of the military which may run the gamut from evacuation of Americans up to full-blown invasion. Most often they're not executed.
 
What is the US Military going to do?...Shoot civilians?....What a joke...They aren't needed or wanted in Venezuela
 
Trump needs to wag the dog somewhere, might as well be Venezuela.
 
TrueScotsman said:
Andrew McCabe heard the following from the president.

“That’s the country we should be going to war with, They have all that oil and they’re right on our back door.” pg. 130

Like most failed leaders Trump is pivoting to foreign policy to try and sway the election. He will go to war with a Socialist country, while also campaigning against the socialism in the Democratic Party.
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The same McCabe that was fired for lying, multiple times?
 
We shouldn't be intervening in Venezuela militarily or otherwise. Let's keep our nose out of their business.
 
gulfman said:
Trump believes in make love not war.He still wants that Nobel Peace Prize.
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More like he is following Putin's wishes and staying out of it while Russia is helping Maduro.
 
We have ZERO business being involved here.
 
Cardinal said:
You can say that, but without the global community's effort to fix a failed state, the one country riding to the rescue owns the result, good or bad. As the old proverb goes, "When you save a man, you are responsible for him his whole life."

Are you okay with being the proud new owner of Venezuela? Are you okay with possibly making Venezuela even worse and then walking away when it doesn't work out conveniently? Because both of those outcomes are extremely likely.
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I just got done watching Ken Burns Vietnam...
 
Somerville said:
Only Russia and a couple other dictatorships agree with you.
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BTW, it appears your two year wet dream is over; and you got the booby-prize. Don't worry, we'll keep reminding you about.
 
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