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Judge says Paul Manafort broke plea deal by lying to Mueller

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Manafort now faces the rest of his life in prison. Will he finally be motivated to tell the whole truth about Trump?

A federal judge ruled today that Paul Manafort lied to special counsel's office, essentially voiding his plea agreement and ensuring a harsher prison sentence.
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Judge says Paul Manafort broke plea deal by lying to Mueller / Boing Boing

Manafort's problematic connections with Kilimnik fuel further Russian Collusion speculation.

This ruling, while not a complete win for Team Mueller, really ups the ante for Manafort to more fully cooperate. I await the spin from Chump and the Trumpanzees.

Nothingburger... yes or no? I side with NO. I consider the ruling a win for the Anti-Trumpers.
 
Lordy! Next you'll be telling me the sun rises in the East and sets in the West!
 
I can only think of one reason why manafort wouldn't flip on trump, he's more scared of the russians than the american system of law.
 
bongsaway said:
I can only think of one reason why manafort wouldn't flip on trump, he's more scared of the russians than the american system of law.
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That's been my thought from the beginning.

**** Trump. He has Russians to worry about. In prison.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Judge says Paul Manafort broke plea deal by lying to Mueller / Boing Boing

Manafort's problematic connections with Kilimnik fuel further Russian Collusion speculation.

This ruling, while not a complete win for Team Mueller, really ups the ante for Manafort to more fully cooperate. I await the spin from Chump and the Trumpanzees.

Nothingburger... yes or no? I side with NO. I consider the ruling a win for the Anti-Trumpers.
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I don't know if it will make much difference, I think manafort will spend the rest of his life in prison no matter what.

I suspect the only thing he is covering for now is trying not to go down. In history as one of the busiest bees in a nest of traitors...
 
Superfly said:
That's been my thought from the beginning.

**** Trump. He has Russians to worry about. In prison.
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according to 2 intelligence committees there is no evidence that trump colluded with russia.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Judge says Paul Manafort broke plea deal by lying to Mueller / Boing Boing

Manafort's problematic connections with Kilimnik fuel further Russian Collusion speculation.

This ruling, while not a complete win for Team Mueller, really ups the ante for Manafort to more fully cooperate. I await the spin from Chump and the Trumpanzees.

Nothingburger... yes or no? I side with NO. I consider the ruling a win for the Anti-Trumpers.
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I'm glad you posted this, because otherwise I would have.

Man, I'm getting so tired of the criminality that surrounds Trump, his campaign, and the White House.

Anyway, it looks like this facet of the investigation is focusing on Kilimnik. And according to the recent court testimony, Mueller's team is claiming the Manafort-Kilimnik connection is at the heart of the subject matter of Mueller's investigation. i.e., Russian interference in our elections.

The first thing to consider now, is do we believe Manafort passed Kilimnik the Trump Campaign internal polling data without Trump being aware? I find that a little hard to believe. The second thing to consider then, is why was the polling data passed to the Russians? If there's a smoking gun anywhere, this is as a good a possible place to find it as any.

The other very possible place (to find a smoking gun), would be the Stone/Corsi/Assange triumvirate.

But there a huge stink coming that campaign, alright.
 
bongsaway said:
I can only think of one reason why manafort wouldn't flip on trump, he's more scared of the russians than the american system of law.
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I can think of (maybe) one better:

He's angling for a pardon!
 
Superfly said:
We aren't talking about Trump at the moment. We are talking about Manafort. Try to keep up.
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You need to recall what you posted...

That's been my thought from the beginning.

**** Trump. He has Russians to worry about. In prison.
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Chomsky said:
I can think of (maybe) one better:

He's angling for a pardon!
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Is it even possible legally at this point for the president to pardon manafort? Would it be seen as trump trying to cover his own part of this mess? Can you pardon a person to shut them up from an investigation? The longer this whole thing goes on the worse and worse the choices seem to be.
 
ludin said:
according to 2 intelligence committees there is no evidence that trump colluded with russia.
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No smoking gun, no direct proof. There are mountains and mountains of circumstantial evidence, motive/intent, and consciousness of guilt in the lies and obstruction.
Might be we settle for cover-up worse than the crime?

As others said, not about Trump anyway, just Trump's campaign Manager...that felon that's in jail, you remember him?
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Judge says Paul Manafort broke plea deal by lying to Mueller / Boing Boing

Manafort's problematic connections with Kilimnik fuel further Russian Collusion speculation.

This ruling, while not a complete win for Team Mueller, really ups the ante for Manafort to more fully cooperate. I await the spin from Chump and the Trumpanzees.

Nothingburger... yes or no? I side with NO. I consider the ruling a win for the Anti-Trumpers.
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A traitor and a liar. Most excellent!!!!
 
Superfly said:
That's been my thought from the beginning.

**** Trump. He has Russians to worry about. In prison.
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It could also be that the underlying offense is bad enough that a blatant cover-up is Manafort's only hope.


I'd wager that there's something about that Ukrainian peace deal involved a quid pro quo.
 
Mach said:
No smoking gun, no direct proof. There are mountains and mountains of circumstantial evidence, motive/intent, and consciousness of guilt in the lies and obstruction.
Might be we settle for cover-up worse than the crime?

As others said, not about Trump anyway, just Trump's campaign Manager...that felon that's in jail, you remember him?
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I'm convinced that even if Mueller proves a plot to obstruct justice, collusion during the election, and an outright quid pro quo, the 35% that support Trump will continue to do so, and once the dust settles those 8% that sometimes don't support Trump, will forget about the Mueller report within a month.
 
ludin said:
according to 2 intelligence committees there is no evidence that trump colluded with russia.
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Which committees would those be?
 
Chomsky said:
I'm glad you posted this, because otherwise I would have.

Man, I'm getting so tired of the criminality that surrounds Trump, his campaign, and the White House.

Anyway, it looks like this facet of the investigation is focusing on Kilimnik. And according to the recent court testimony, Mueller's team is claiming the Manafort-Kilimnik connection is at the heart of the subject matter of Mueller's investigation. i.e., Russian interference in our elections.

The first thing to consider now, is do we believe Manafort passed Kilimnik the Trump Campaign internal polling data without Trump being aware? I find that a little hard to believe. The second thing to consider then, is why was the polling data passed to the Russians? If there's a smoking gun anywhere, this is as a good a possible place to find it as any.

The other very possible place (to find a smoking gun), would be the Stone/Corsi/Assange triumvirate.

But there a huge stink coming that campaign, alright.
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Whatever happened the truth is related to that Ukrainian-Russia peace deal, that Cohen delivered to Flynn.

I'd wager all the players were banking on the peace deal to help further their various financial interests, and that's what they're hiding.

You can bet that because of Flynn and Cohen, Mueller knows exactly what happened, but needs to prove the involvement of Trump's family.
 
MovingPictures said:
I'm convinced that even if Mueller proves a plot to obstruct justice, collusion during the election, and an outright quid pro quo, the 35% that support Trump will continue to do so, and once the dust settles those 8% that sometimes don't support Trump, will forget about the Mueller report within a month.
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Without a doubt. Only like 56% of people in some recent poll believe Mueller is more honest than Trump. It just doesn't get more absurd than that. What are we gonna do with right wing media/propaganda, it's turned half the nation into raging morons.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Judge says Paul Manafort broke plea deal by lying to Mueller / Boing Boing

Manafort's problematic connections with Kilimnik fuel further Russian Collusion speculation.

This ruling, while not a complete win for Team Mueller, really ups the ante for Manafort to more fully cooperate. I await the spin from Chump and the Trumpanzees.

Nothingburger... yes or no? I side with NO. I consider the ruling a win for the Anti-Trumpers.
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It's not surprising. Trump is a liar, and he is surrounded by liars. If a Democrat had done half the stuff as Trump, the right wingers would be in a rage. It's totally crazy what they are willing to let a guy pretending to be a R, get away with.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm glad you posted this, because otherwise I would have.

Man, I'm getting so tired of the criminality that surrounds Trump, his campaign, and the White House.

Anyway, it looks like this facet of the investigation is focusing on Kilimnik. And according to the recent court testimony, Mueller's team is claiming the Manafort-Kilimnik connection is at the heart of the subject matter of Mueller's investigation. i.e., Russian interference in our elections.

The first thing to consider now, is do we believe Manafort passed Kilimnik the Trump Campaign internal polling data without Trump being aware? I find that a little hard to believe. The second thing to consider then, is why was the polling data passed to the Russians? If there's a smoking gun anywhere, this is as a good a possible place to find it as any.

The other very possible place (to find a smoking gun), would be the Stone/Corsi/Assange triumvirate.

But there a huge stink coming that campaign, alright.
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There are so many angles of Trump's campaign conspiring with the Russians to win the election, and Trump's only defense is to say he didn't know. It really is an incredible defense. Everybody Mueller gets, he exposes the lies. It's a web of lies. He is going to untangle it. There is no way everybody around Trump was colluding with Russia other than Trump, and Trump knew nothing... lol...
 
bongsaway said:
Is it even possible legally at this point for the president to pardon manafort? Would it be seen as trump trying to cover his own part of this mess? Can you pardon a person to shut them up from an investigation? The longer this whole thing goes on the worse and worse the choices seem to be.
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A President can pardon anyone anytime, as long as he's not pardoning his-self out of impeachment. Otherwise, the only thing that can stop him is Congress, via impeachment.
 
Mach said:
Without a doubt. Only like 56% of people in some recent poll believe Mueller is more honest than Trump. It just doesn't get more absurd than that. What are we gonna do with right wing media/propaganda, it's turned half the nation into raging morons.
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The polls swing back and forth, with 35% staying committed to Trump no matter what, while about 8% can't make-up their minds.

We have to stop talking about them and humoring their ideas, and when their bad judgement bites them in the ass, we should no longer offer a shoulder to cry on.

Continuing to do the opposite just reinforces their beliefs and prevents any of them from ever looking from within.
 
I am not sure whether he deserves to spend the rest of his life in jail. That is down to a judge and jury much more informed about the severity and the nature of the crimes he has committed. Personally I am much more interested in the truth than in severe prison sentences but if regular criminals or even smaller offenders get ridiculously long prison times in comparison for their offenses, then maybe life is what he deserves. He however should not be handed a slap on the wrist because that is sending a very wrong message and he deserves no pardon IMHO.
 
apdst said:
You need to recall what you posted...
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I have no problem with recall whatsoever. When I said "**** Trump," I meant that Manafort doesn't have to worry about Trump. He should be more worried about the Russians. The comment was very clearly about Manafort, and what he should be worried about.

But I'm sure you knew that - you were just using your ever-failing "Gotcha-meter," hoping to catch someone in a "gotcha moment."

You might want to have that thing serviced.
 
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