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Judge says Paul Manafort broke plea deal by lying to Mueller

MovingPictures said:
Whatever happened the truth is related to that Ukrainian-Russia peace deal, that Cohen delivered to Flynn.

I'd wager all the players were banking on the peace deal to help further their various financial interests, and that's what they're hiding.

You can bet that because of Flynn and Cohen, Mueller knows exactly what happened, but needs to prove the involvement of Trump's family.
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I also heard tonight chatter that Russia willingly worked with the US to put Trump in office, to ease sanctions that they currently have on them.

Just spitballing without actual proof (which I believe they are working on) but interesting, all the same.

And here I always thought that he just didn't want the pee tape uncovered. Who knew that the truth would be far worse than a few golden showers from Russian hookers?
 
Superfly said:
I also heard tonight chatter that Russia willingly worked with the US to put Trump in office, to ease sanctions that they currently have on them.

Just spitballing without actual proof (which I believe they are working on) but interesting, all the same.

And here I always thought that he just didn't want the pee tape uncovered. Who knew that the truth would be far worse than a few golden showers from Russian hookers?
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The bolded, I wouldn't doubt. It wasn't just specifics though, but a general attitude of,

"You wash my back, I'll wash yours"
 
Superfly said:
I also heard tonight chatter that Russia willingly worked with the US to put Trump in office, to ease sanctions that they currently have on them.

Just spitballing without actual proof (which I believe they are working on) but interesting, all the same.

And here I always thought that he just didn't want the pee tape uncovered. Who knew that the truth would be far worse than a few golden showers from Russian hookers?
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Chomsky said:
The bolded, I wouldn't doubt. It wasn't just specifics though, but a general attitude of,

"You wash my back, I'll wash yours"
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I don't think Russia's covert operation in the election was ever intended to be successful, nor did they believe it would actually make a difference, and they damn sure didn't anticipate getting Trump's circle on the hook would be like taking candy from a baby.

But it was always about the money.

Flynn wanted promote his Saudi nuclear deal with Russian backing, Page was looking at the Exxon-Rosneft money, Manafort wanted to repay his debts to oligarchs, and Trump his crew wanted to extend their brand to Russia, and get financing for their projects.

It's an embarrassment to our country, really.
 
MovingPictures said:
I'm convinced that even if Mueller proves a plot to obstruct justice, collusion during the election, and an outright quid pro quo, the 35% that support Trump will continue to do so, and once the dust settles those 8% that sometimes don't support Trump, will forget about the Mueller report within a month.
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I sadly suspect you are correct. And that goes for the GOP in Congress also.
 
Superfly said:
We aren't talking about Trump at the moment. We are talking about Manafort. Try to keep up.
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You obviously didn't read what you posted.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm glad you posted this, because otherwise I would have.

Man, I'm getting so tired of the criminality that surrounds Trump, his campaign, and the White House.

Anyway, it looks like this facet of the investigation is focusing on Kilimnik. And according to the recent court testimony, Mueller's team is claiming the Manafort-Kilimnik connection is at the heart of the subject matter of Mueller's investigation. i.e., Russian interference in our elections.

The first thing to consider now, is do we believe Manafort passed Kilimnik the Trump Campaign internal polling data without Trump being aware? I find that a little hard to believe. The second thing to consider then, is why was the polling data passed to the Russians? If there's a smoking gun anywhere, this is as a good a possible place to find it as any.

The other very possible place (to find a smoking gun), would be the Stone/Corsi/Assange triumvirate.

But there a huge stink coming that campaign, alright.
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The issue is that none of it has to do with russian collusion.
that is 99% of the problem.

all the stuff that he is charged with including the lying has nothing to do with the campaign or trump.
they are 100% disconnected with each other.
 
Superfly said:
And you obviously aren't reading the thread - only what pertains to you.

Asked and answered in post #25.
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Yep Happy Valentines day :) :flowers
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Judge says Paul Manafort broke plea deal by lying to Mueller / Boing Boing

Manafort's problematic connections with Kilimnik fuel further Russian Collusion speculation.

This ruling, while not a complete win for Team Mueller, really ups the ante for Manafort to more fully cooperate. I await the spin from Chump and the Trumpanzees.

Nothingburger... yes or no? I side with NO. I consider the ruling a win for the Anti-Trumpers.
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Nothingburger with respect to the actual purpose of this Dumbocrat witch-hunt.

Dumbocrats and the Mueller team. They keep taking shots at the fabled "collusion", and keep missing.
So they all placate themselves with a bunch of unrelated horse kaka they've either dug up from history, or gained by entrapment.
This...to these Dumbocrats...justifies the continuation of this witch-hunt. Every time Mueller's team digs up more unrelated dirt on someone related to Trump, they all dawn their cute little pink ***** hats, and proclaim victory...or that victory is now in their grasp.
Poor, poor fools...these Dumbocrats.
 
ludin said:
The issue is that none of it has to do with russian collusion.
that is 99% of the problem.

all the stuff that he is charged with including the lying has nothing to do with the campaign or trump.
they are 100% disconnected with each other.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, here. The investigation was into Russian meddling & interference in our election. And in Meuller's filing, he claims the Manafort-Klimimnik association as being directly involved in the heart of the investigation. So it seems to me this facet of the investigation is extremely fruitful.

By you guys & Trump pushing the term "collusion", I feel you're trying to deflect from the investigation and it's purpose by creating a strawman. In addition to investigatory subject of election meddling & interference, if there's collusion I strongly suspect Mueller will find it.

In the meanwhile if he stumbles upon criminal activity in the campaign and the administration's governance, then it is excellent that he is rooting it out! :thumbs:
 
Chomsky said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at, here. The investigation was into Russian meddling & interference in our election. And in Meuller's filing, he claims the Manafort-Klimimnik association as being directly involved in the heart of the investigation. So it seems to me this facet of the investigation is extremely fruitful.

By you guys & Trump pushing the term "collusion", I feel you're trying to deflect from the investigation and it's purpose by creating a strawman. In addition to investigatory subject of election meddling & interference, if there's collusion I strongly suspect Mueller will find it.

In the meanwhile if he stumbles upon criminal activity in the campaign and the administration's governance, then it is excellent that he is rooting it out! :thumbs:
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Exactly, what manafort got caught lying about was coordinator with Russians.

This makes it clear that Mueller has more evidence that coordination did occur.

This is just a other brick in the wall.

Trump should be scared ****less!!!
 
SheWolf said:
There are so many angles of Trump's campaign conspiring with the Russians to win the election, and Trump's only defense is to say he didn't know. It really is an incredible defense. Everybody Mueller gets, he exposes the lies. It's a web of lies. He is going to untangle it. There is no way everybody around Trump was colluding with Russia other than Trump, and Trump knew nothing... lol...
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Agreed. But proving it may not be so easy. Especially with key players holding-out for pardons. That's the problem. Trump is in effect circumventing justice with his Presidential powers.

I also have little doubt that Trump would have been charged as Cohen's co-conspirator in the Daniels affair, if sitting Presidents were indictable. I believe SDNY will indict him upon his leaving office. There almost no way to read the Cohen charging document, and believe otherwise.

Plus, we don't know what is going to shake-out of the Trump Org & Inauguration Committee SDNY investigations. Mueller was very shrewd in handing-off all this stuff to SDNY. They are a very aggressive branch known for going their own way. After Mueller's investigatory central mandate expires, I believe SDNY's investigations will continue going.

The Trump family's real legal problems may occur at the hands of SDNY, after they're out of the White House!
 
GDViking said:
Exactly, what manafort got caught lying about was coordinator with Russians.

This makes it clear that Mueller has more evidence that coordination did occur.

This is just a other brick in the wall.

Trump should be scared ****less!!!
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Yeah, like I said earlier in the thread:

The two most possible areas to find a smoking gun - in my opinion - seem to be in the Manafort-Kilimnik and Stone-Guccifer-Assange relationships

Actually - I'll give honorable mention to Cohen-Deripaska, too.

I'm telling, you this stuff is sick. Back in the day in my city, when some person or group had extensive criminal contacts with organized crime, we said they were "mobbed up". Well, these guys are "Russian'd up". What the hell is going-on, here?
 
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Chomsky said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at, here. The investigation was into Russian meddling & interference in our election. And in Meuller's filing, he claims the Manafort-Klimimnik association as being directly involved in the heart of the investigation. So it seems to me this facet of the investigation is extremely fruitful.

By you guys & Trump pushing the term "collusion", I feel you're trying to deflect from the investigation and it's purpose by creating a strawman. In addition to investigatory subject of election meddling & interference, if there's collusion I strongly suspect Mueller will find it.

In the meanwhile if he stumbles upon criminal activity in the campaign and the administration's governance, then it is excellent that he is rooting it out! :thumbs:
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yet none of mueller's charges against manafort have anything to do with collusion or conspiracy to over throw or meddling in an election.
all fo the charges again manafort are unrelated to the campaign.

He is in trouble for stuff that happened years before the campaign even occurred.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, like I said earlier in the thread:

The two most possible areas to find a smoking gun - in my opinion - seem to be in the Manafort-Kilimnik and Stone-Guccifer-Assange relationships

Actually - I'll give honorable mention to Cohen-Deripaska, too.

I'm telling, you this stuff is sick. Back in the day in my city, when some person or group had extensive criminal contacts with organized crime, we said they were "mobbed up". Well, these guys are "Russian'd up". What the hell is going-on, here?
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Reminds one of the Kennedy years...doesn't it...
 
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