Thread: Negotiators reach deal ‘in principle’ to avert shutdown

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

Agreed, very conflicting parameters, without a doubt.
But yet, it needs to be dealt with, as the present catch and release and disappear method of operation surely isn't in the nation's best interests.

Agreed 100%!

Like I was saying to others above, I don't know if a wall is an effectual or cost-effective solution, but something needs to be done. While it's true illegal immigration is greatly reduced from two decades ago, it still needs to be addressed.

Originally Posted by Chomsky

Trump cannot veto it. It will be his political demise.

As I've been saying from the day he reopened the government three weeks ago, if he gets a bill he will sign it and either:

1] Claim victory

or,

2] Declare an emergency

Recently he's apparently been looking at pilfering funds from other departments, so he may try and sneak that in there - too.

Between your two predictions, why choose? He's likely to do both.

Originally Posted by Acadia

I don't support decreasing the number of beds and think it's crazy that legislators want to tell ICE how to do their job. They're basically telling them to do more with less.
I hope Republicans hold firm on this ridiculous proposal.
I know Dems want to placate the "abolish ICE" radicals in their ranks, but this isn't wise for the country. The radicals can adjust their expectations.

Actually, I think it's an increase in beds from the current level.

But you know, I think I'm coming to the conclusion that this problem is going to have to be attacked in some other manner, more comprehensively.

Check-out my 3 conflicting parameters in my post #30, above. How do you possibly reconcile those 3 parameters to coexist?

Originally Posted by Chomsky

Agreed 100%!

Like I was saying to others above, I don't know if a wall is an effectual or cost-effective solution, but something needs to be done. While it's true illegal immigration is greatly reduced from two decades ago, it still needs to be addressed.

I'd be inclined to allow the people on the front lines of this, the CBP and ICE allocate whatever funds they receive to what they believe to be the best effect.
You gotta figure that they are dealing with this day in and day out, and over the course of years of doing different things know what is most effective.

A physical border, it has been reported, forces the traffic to ports of entry, which, if properly equipped, have a good chance to intercept the illegal smuggling of people and contraband, which is the objective, is it not?

Originally Posted by Acadia

YES! Will we ever do this tho?

See, this is why I have a hard time taking Trump seriously on his wall.

Why fight for this huge project that will take tons of money, a decade or more of time, and God only knows how much maintenance, yet not mandate E-Verify? It's free (already funded), it's in place, and it's 100% functional.

If he were serious about saving American jobs, he'd do it (in my opinion).

Originally Posted by Chomsky

Trump cannot veto it. It will be his political demise.

As I've been saying from the day he reopened the government three weeks ago, if he gets a bill he will sign it and either:

1] Claim victory

or,

2] Declare an emergency

Recently he's apparently been looking at pilfering funds from other departments, so he may try and sneak that in there - too.

Ditto, surely Trump isn't that dumb. His polls dropped ten percent last time, how far does he want to push it? That said, who knows just how dumb he is?

But you're right, he has other options. He can always declare victory (lie) anyway or go with an 'emergency' that looks pretty bad but at least won't close the shop again. Or as you said, find a way to [mis]appropriate the funds from elsewhere.

Either way it doesn't equal a wall. They'll dig a few post holes with the first few billion and then have to fight again for the next round of funding. And the next and next after that, till long after he's out of office, two terms or not. And who will carry the trump tiki torch then?

Originally Posted by Acadia

I don't support decreasing the number of beds and think it's crazy that legislators want to tell ICE how to do their job. They're basically telling them to do more with less.
I hope Republicans hold firm on this ridiculous proposal.
I know Dems want to placate the "abolish ICE" radicals in their ranks, but this isn't wise for the country. The radicals can adjust their expectations.

More with less, I remember that business commercial meant to rally the hourly wage slaves, do more with less the boss will love you. When did ICE become an independent organization who gets to make their own rules? Why not just hire blackwater too?

Every person from the right is absolutely correct about democrats, we hate america, we want open borders with no consequences, we kill babies, roast and eat them, we want free everything and get paid $100 and hour for receiving the free stuff. We want guns abolished, religion abolished, confederate anything abolished, we want to tax the rich until they are poor, kill capitalism and install the dreaded socialism. We are communists, marxists, socialists radical liberals and are out to destroy america.