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The Green New Deal Would Spend the U.S. Into Oblivion

bongsaway;1069668741[QUOTE said:
let's do away with the word subsidies and call them what they are tax breaks. Dig a hole that produces nothing 100% write off.
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Cost of doing business is a write off. All Labor is a write off, supplies, office expenses, pickups, drilling rigs, etc. At the end of each year the company compares cost against revenue. If the revenue is higher than their cost then they have a taxable income. If on the other hand they have more cost than revenue they are losing money. And if they lose to much there is chapter 11 they can file or chapter 7 which is total liquidation. So what your saying no company can right off their cost, then that means all revenue is taxable. Example if a company has revenue of 20 million and they have cost of 20 million they have taxable income of 20 million. So the company has to absorb the cost of doing business plus 10 million in taxes. So in the end the company should have broke even for the year but under your thinking they have to pay an additional 10 million taxes increasing the companies losses.
 
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Harshaw said:
No, it goes further than that.

If she were just a lone looney Congress critter, it wouldn't be so bad.

But every declared Democrat Presidential candidate signed on to her "Green New Deal." (Except maybe Klubochar? Is she declared? Did she sign on?)

So it's not something that can simply be handwaved away.
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It is a wonder that she is openly plotting to destroy the planet. Her polices would trigger national famine, plague and pestilence and have absolutely no effect on anything she is raving about.

The rest of the world would still fly, drive and use farm machinery. Oh! And China and India would continue to bring another coal fired electric plant on line every week.

The Democrats have entered into a suicide pact with her.

On Friday as AOC and the Dems moved forward with the the Green Death to America Platform. On Friday, Trump's popularity in the only daily tracking poll still polling daily put him at 50% approval.

The only thing the Dems need to do to win in 2020 is to NOT be crazy. That bar is just a pinch too high for them to get over.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports(R)

By the by, I saw on TV yesterday that Klobuchar might announce soon. Maybe she did last night? I don't think it makes any difference...
 
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noonereal said:
Trumpet Merit Badge Award post!

Nonsense that supports the cause.
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What's so interesting is that everything I posted is accurate and you are dismissing it as nonsense.

You have unwittingly endorsed my assertion.

The Democrats are indeed nonsense.

Why do you hope to entrust your future to these idiots? Hate travel? Hate beef? Hate freedom?

Just hate people?

The Dems have plenty of hate to help you find happiness. Happy hatred on the Green Death to America Platform.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Almost none of this is based on facts, oil companies do not get subsidies, alternative energy is an unprofitable failure, the military costs nothing compared to AOCs “green new deal” (really a red ten year plan) which would not only cost money but lead to over a billion deaths mainly in the third world over a decade (because the US’s massive grain surplus is only possivle with fossil fuels)
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Yeah, and cars will never replaces horses. From that Commie rag, Forbes:

The cost of renewable energy is now falling so fast that it should be a consistently cheaper source of electricity generation than traditional fossil fuels within just a few years, according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

The organisation – which has more than 150 member countries – says the cost of generating power from onshore wind has fallen by around 23% since 2010 while the cost of solar photovoltaic (PV) electricity has fallen by 73% in that time. With further price falls expected for these and other green energy options, IRENA says all renewable energy technologies should be competitive on price with fossil fuels by 2020.

Globally, onshore wind schemes are now costing an average of $0.06 per kilowatt hour (kWh), although some schemes are coming in at $0.04 per KwH, while the cost of solar PV is down to $0.10 per KwH. In comparison, the cost of electricity generation based on fossil fuels typically falls in a range of $0.05 to $0.17 per KwH.
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Report: Trump’s “Energy Dominance” Plans Rely on Billions in Fossil Fuel Subsidies
 
code1211 said:
What's so interesting is that everything I posted is accurate and you are dismissing it as nonsense.

You have unwittingly endorsed my assertion.

The Democrats are indeed nonsense.

Why do you hope to entrust your future to these idiots? Hate travel? Hate beef? Hate freedom?

Just hate people?

The Dems have plenty of hate to help you find happiness. Happy hatred on the Green Death to America Platform.
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You are posting as a Russian bot. Post of reason, fact and enjoy a cerebral rebuttal.
 
code1211 said:
It is a wonder that she is openly plotting to destroy the planet. Her polices would trigger national famine, plague and pestilence and have absolutely no effect on anything she is raving about.

The rest of the world would still fly, drive and use farm machinery. Oh! And China and India would continue to bring another coal fired electric plant on line every week.

The Democrats have entered into a suicide pact with her.

On Friday as AOC and the Dems moved forward with the the Green Death to America Platform. On Friday, Trump's popularity in the only daily tracking poll still polling daily put him at 50% approval.

The only thing the Dems need to do to win in 2020 is to NOT be crazy. That bar is just a pinch too high for them to get over.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports(R)

By the by, I saw on TV yesterday that Klobuchar might announce soon. Maybe she did last night? I don't think it makes any difference...
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If the bill hasn't even been written yet, how do you know it is a plan to destroy the planet?
 
noonereal said:
You are posting as a Russian bot. Post of reason, fact and enjoy a cerebral rebuttal.
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It's funny that a Democrat Party Automaton is accusing me of being a Russian bot.:lol:
 
Thoreau72 said:
If the bill hasn't even been written yet, how do you know it is a plan to destroy the planet?
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Here is a copy of what you say does not exist. It has been written, just hasn't yet been intoduced:

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution

Part of this calls for the elimination of the internal combustion engine. Another part calls for the end to cattle. Another calls for the end to airline travel.

No more internal combustion engines means famine and plague for the US while the rest of the world trudges forward plagued by too much food and the means to transport it to where it's needed. Poor devils!

We will be blessed by starvation and a pile of corpses so deep they will clog the streets that will be open due to the lack of vehicle travel as the vehicles are parked and have no gas in their tanks.

We'll be the lucky ones! At least those of us with victory farms will be... The Chinese, warm and safe traveling around in cars and planes will be devastated and sad.
 
code1211 said:
Here is a copy of what you say does not exist. It has been written, just hasn't yet been intoduced:

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution

Part of this calls for the elimination of the internal combustion engine. Another part calls for the end to cattle. Another calls for the end to airline travel.

No more internal combustion engines means famine and plague for the US while the rest of the world trudges forward plagued by too much food and the means to transport it to where it's needed. Poor devils!

We will be blessed by starvation and a pile of corpses so deep they will clog the streets that will be open due to the lack of vehicle travel as the vehicles are parked and have no gas in their tanks.

We'll be the lucky ones! At least those of us with victory farms will be... The Chinese, warm and safe traveling around in cars and planes will be devastated and sad.
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Right, it hasn't been introduced. If it were a machine we would call it a prototype.

As you know, once it's debated, it will assume a new shape, new words etc.

Why the weeping and gnashing of teeth at this point in the process?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Right, it hasn't been introduced. If it were a machine we would call it a prototype.

As you know, once it's debated, it will assume a new shape, new words etc.

Why the weeping and gnashing of teeth at this point in the process?
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Not weeping and gnashing of teeth so much as just a disappointed shaking of the head in light of the 60 Congress People who endorse it and the 6 Dem presidential Candidates who endorse it.

AOC is a looney buffoon with good legs, a nice rack and an ability to string together multisyllabic words that sound like they are intelligent unless you actually examine the meaning.

She is perfect to be a weather girl or sell or cars in TV commercials. (C'mon down to Cortez town! We're Craaaaazy!)

When a major political party's elites start to fall in line behind her, it speaks volumes about that party.
 
code1211 said:
Not weeping and gnashing of teeth so much as just a disappointed shaking of the head in light of the 60 Congress People who endorse it and the 6 Dem presidential Candidates who endorse it.

AOC is a looney buffoon with good legs, a nice rack and an ability to string together multisyllabic words that sound like they are intelligent unless you actually examine the meaning.

She is perfect to be a weather girl or sell or cars in TV commercials. (C'mon down to Cortez town! We're Craaaaazy!)

When a major political party's elites start to fall in line behind her, it speaks volumes about that party.
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LOL, when a major political party's elites fall in line behind Donald, it speaks volumes about that party and the entire political system.

AOC is refreshing to this old white guy. It's nice to see someone thinking and acting outside the box for a change.
 
Bum said:
(Bloomberg Opinion) -- Skeptics of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s promise of a Green New Deal were worried that the plan would be a Trojan Horse for unrealistic and ruinously expensive economic proposals that have little to do with stopping climate change. The unveiling of the plan gives them more reason for worry. Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal appears to take every big spending idea that has emerged on the political left in recent years and combine them into one large package deal, with little notion of how to pay for them all.

The Green New Deal Would Spend the U.S. Into Oblivion


Well, I do question her math.....she seems to be coming up trillions short.
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No problem. Make drastic, draconian cuts in the MIC budget and use the funds for planet saving a/k/a Green New Deal.
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bongsaway said:
Exactly the kind of answer I expect from those on the right or leaning right. No can do, money, money, money, fossil fuel. If you actually think there is no such thing as corporate welfare, try typing those two words into a google search.
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What have you got against money? Money is essential in several ways. As well as being a medium of exchange it is also a unit of account, a measure of deferred payment. It enables a comparison of the costs of production, say the relative cost of a mile of superfast rail and a mile of highway. Also the relative costs of producing energy.

Of course all this is irrelevant to the lefties who think there is a forest of magic money trees, bearing the label "THE RICH".
 
DaveFagan said:
No problem. Make drastic, draconian cuts in the MIC budget and use the funds for planet saving a/k/a Green New Deal.
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The Armed Forces budget for 2019 is $892 Billion.....it wouldn't even make a dent in the "green new deal".....which is projected into the tens of trillions.
 
Sweden said:
What have you got against money? Money is essential in several ways. As well as being a medium of exchange it is also a unit of account, a measure of deferred payment. It enables a comparison of the costs of production, say the relative cost of a mile of superfast rail and a mile of highway. Also the relative costs of producing energy.

Of course all this is irrelevant to the lefties who think there is a forest of magic money trees, bearing the label "THE RICH".
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I have nothing against money, I'm against the way it's used to crush ideas, opinion, innovation and the law. Just as it's being used to crush most green ideas, legalizing cannabis, and buying your way out of jail. Money is good, I like it.
 
DaveFagan said:
No problem. Make drastic, draconian cuts in the MIC budget and use the funds for planet saving a/k/a Green New Deal.
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That's actually the point of the GND. To weaken America to the point of economic collapse while our global adversaries take advantage of America's weakness by continuing to rely on fosssil fuels to grow their economies and more importantly their militaries

It would leave the Countries we've pledged to defend ( Taiwan, Israel, Japan, etc ) absolutely vulnerable
 
Fenton said:
That's actually the point of the GND. To weaken America to the point of economic collapse while our global adversaries take advantage of America's weakness by continuing to rely on fosssil fuels to grow their economies and more importantly their militaries

It would leave the Countries we've pledged to defend ( Taiwan, Israel, Japan, etc ) absolutely vulnerable
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Except that those "adversaries" are going green too.

China's total capacity is 130 gigawatts -- about half the world's total. 130 gigawatts is enough to power approximately 4.3 million U.S. homes ( and many more Chinese homes, which use a tenth of the electricity of American homes.) China also has close to 200 gigawatts of wind power.
 
Bum said:
The Armed Forces budget for 2019 is $892 Billion.....it wouldn't even make a dent in the "green new deal".....which is projected into the tens of trillions.
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Use $800 billon/year for the Green New Deal and time payments. Same every year.
Eliminate black budgets.
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Fenton said:
That's actually the point of the GND. To weaken America to the point of economic collapse while our global adversaries take advantage of America's weakness by continuing to rely on fosssil fuels to grow their economies and more importantly their militaries

It would leave the Countries we've pledged to defend ( Taiwan, Israel, Japan, etc ) absolutely vulnerable
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Mythology 101 in the USA.
 
wellwisher said:
There is separation between church and state and the green deal is a type of religion. It is a religion because it is not rational since the costs and hardships is not even considered. It is a beautiful utopian vision of paradise on earth but lacks any rational common sense. I believe in the right of people to practice their religion, but separation of church and state prevents this from being taught in schools or forced by government on all.

Another point that the left misses, is green is the waste energy of plants. The sun gives off all wavelengths of visible energy and the plants releases the green like a waste product. Green is like the exhaust fumes of an automobile. It is not fuel. We see green, because the plants uses red, blue and yellow and rejects most of the green. Green is the plant waste product of the sunlight fuel. If you grew a plant under green light, it would die in the same way as no light. The New Green Deal worships photon exhaust fumes.

We call it green, because that is what we see in terms of plant color. The plant eats red, yellow and blue and farts out green. The plant photon farts and energy exhaust fumes, creates an optical green halo, that is superficial. This appeals to those who don't go that deep. Underneath the green photon farts is the life fuel and energy of the plant that is life. The left likes plant photon farts, which appears to give them a buzz. This green photon fart worship it what makes it a religion, since they idealize the exhaust fumes as the source of life. This is not supported by science.
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The point flew so far over your head. The point is not the color green. Maybe the Republicans should propose the Orange New Deal then.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Almost none of this is based on facts, oil companies do not get subsidies, alternative energy is an unprofitable failure, the military costs nothing compared to AOCs “green new deal” (really a red ten year plan) which would not only cost money but lead to over a billion deaths mainly in the third world over a decade (because the US’s massive grain surplus is only possivle with fossil fuels)
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Alternative energy is alternative now. Someday it will be all we have. Oil is not unlimited.
 
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