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A Huge Climate Change Movement Led By Teenage Girls Is Sweeping Europe. And It’s Coming To The US

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The evidence of manmade global warming is so overwhelming that even fossil fuel companies have to publicly acknowledge the urgent need to reduce C02 emissions.

A low carbon future | Sustainability | Home

Climate models have also been proven accurate.

The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly

There are also more examples of that climate change can become bipartisan issue in the US. For example that two thirds of Americans give priority to developing alternative energy sources, like solar and wind power.

Most in US say alternative energy takes priority over fossil fuels

Two thirds of Americans also wanted US to stay in the Paris accord.

Most Americans Want the U.S. to Stay in the Paris Agreement - The Atlantic

We shall see how well that 50m year old model works in another 20-50 years. I bet once the effects of the solar lagged warming stop, the output of the model will no longer correlate.
 
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If human CO2 emissions is the dominant factor causing global warming, the current warming trend wouldn't have started without it hundreds of years ago... would it?
Sorry. Not the case. Assuming CO2 plays as active of a role claimed, we didn't really start outputting much until the 30's 0r 40's.

If models have been proven accurate they wouldn't have missed the decades long warming pauses in the record ... would they?
Agreed. Just shows the science is in the infancy still, and anyone who trusts it at "settled," is that that first spike of Goof's favorite D-K curve.

If CO2 is always the driver of warming, there would never have been ice ages when CO2 levels were many times greater than today ... would there?
I can't agree with that. That long ago, the earth was still chaotic and cooling from the formation of the solar system. Tectonic plates still moving much more than today. Volcanic activity far greater than today. The core is still cooling, but has an insignificant effect today.
 
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The evidence of manmade global warming is so overwhelming that even fossil fuel companies have to publicly acknowledge the urgent need to reduce C02 emissions.

A low carbon future | Sustainability | Home

Climate models have also been proven accurate.

The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly

There are also more examples of that climate change can become bipartisan issue in the US. For example that two thirds of Americans give priority to developing alternative energy sources, like solar and wind power.

Most in US say alternative energy takes priority over fossil fuels

Two thirds of Americans also wanted US to stay in the Paris accord.

Most Americans Want the U.S. to Stay in the Paris Agreement - The Atlantic

We've been adapting to climate change for thousands of years. If the climint rises a little are we unable to adapt, we've been really good so far as adapting. This link tells us how we've survived in different climates. But all I hear is the sky is falling in 10 yrs. and we're all doing to die.

How Long Have Humans Been On Earth? - Universe Today
 
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Sorry. Not the case. Assuming CO2 plays as active of a role claimed, we didn't really start outputting much until the 30's 0r 40's.
Right. The answer is no.


Agreed. Just shows the science is in the infancy still, and anyone who trusts it at "settled," is that that first spike of Goof's favorite D-K curve.
Goof is a DK case study.


I can't agree with that. That long ago, the earth was still chaotic and cooling from the formation of the solar system. Tectonic plates still moving much more than today. Volcanic activity far greater than today. The core is still cooling, but has an insignificant effect today.
There have been ice ages, big and (more recently) little, and CO2 levels have been many times higher sometimes and about the same as today sometimes but the whole point is that something called nature was responsible.
 
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Right. The answer is no.



Goof is a DK case study.



There have been ice ages, big and (more recently) little, and CO2 levels have been many times higher sometimes and about the same as today sometimes but the whole point is that something called nature was responsible.

Yes, nature is mostly responsible.

Now I will make claim that we are responsible for most of the the melting ice in the north. However, it is because of aerosols, primarily soot. Not from CO2.
 
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Yes, nature is mostly responsible.

Now I will make claim that we are responsible for most of the the melting ice in the north. However, it is because of aerosols, primarily soot. Not from CO2.

I suggest that the PDO and NAO might have greater influence with the potential for enormous Arctic ice loss under the right circumstances.
Historically, such loss of Arctic ice has never been permanent.
 
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I suggest that the PDO and NAO might have greater influence with the potential for enormous Arctic ice loss under the right circumstances.
Historically, such loss of Arctic ice has never been permanent.

But the oscillations are just that. Cyclical, and things restore. We have reduce the northern ice, and it has not returned in the cyclical periods of the PDO, AMO, or AO. Reducing the albedo of snow and ice is a power change to the heat absorbed.
 
No, they're just sick and tired of the older generations, particularly the boomers, actively screwing the environment for their future because they're scientifically illiterate and don't care about the consequences because they've already got one foot in the coffin.

They should be mad, damn mad, because it's their future we're screwing up with our ignorance and refusal to act.
Yet they dont direct sny of their efforts toward china or india where the bulk of manmade polution is coming from nor is there a sweeping effort to go into the field of geology to study volcanos where the bulk of the emissions being released come from. Why is that?

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Yet they dont direct sny of their efforts toward china or india where the bulk of manmade polution is coming from nor is there a sweeping effort to go into the field of geology to study volcanos where the bulk of the emissions being released come from. Why is that?

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So you're saying instead of trying to lobby their own politicians and government, an already extremely difficult task, they should lobby foreign governments, an impossible task?

Are you under the impression that international climate deals are made between private citizens and foreign powers and not between governments led by politicians? You sound absolutely ****ing clueless.
 
So you're saying instead of trying to lobby their own politicians and government, an already extremely difficult task, they should lobby foreign governments, an impossible task?

Are you under the impression that international climate deals are made between private citizens and foreign powers and not between governments led by politicians? You sound absolutely ****ing clueless.

Wow do you get defensive about having the logic of the alarmist questioned. You seem to think im being unfair questioning the wisdom in focusing efforts on reducing small sources of emissions rather than much larger ones. The alarmists are claiming doomsday is upon us. Its that big of an imperative and im the one thats clueless, lmao.

Its like someone telling you theres an avalanche coming if you dont shovel your driveway to prevent it. Talk about clueless. I think you own that award.

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Young women are leading the growing global climate movement.



Europe Climate Change Protests: Teenage Girls Organize Mass School Walkouts And Protests

That children have to take action then the grown ups fail in their duties and responsibilities.

The children skipping school aren't ruining the planet – you are | Srećko Horvat | Opinion | The Guardian

This makes sense. Teen age girls are the easiest demographics for predator males to manipulate with lies. Teen age girls often have a self esteem problem, due to their biological changes, and will try to conform to expectations, to boost their positive feedback. Shame to the con artists taking advantage of gullibility of teen age girls.

I would be more impressed if this was a march by a demographics that is more rational and less vulnerable. The cons won't try that, since if they do, it will not work out.
 
We would still be living in an ice age if it wasn't for climate change. .

We are currently in an ice age. Coming out of it, which involves warming
 
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I think your post is a sad example of how climate change have turned into a partisan issue in the US. There a big reason is that republican politicians have failed to listen to the scientists. Another reason is decades of disinformation from the fossil fuel companies there they have used the same deceptive tactis as the tobacco companies.

Failing to recognize that the failure of the models to predict changes to the temperature is the reason for most of the skepticism, is willful blindness.
 
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Teenage girls and Democrats . Perfect together. Intellectually that is.

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But the oscillations are just that. Cyclical, and things restore. We have reduce the northern ice, and it has not returned in the cyclical periods of the PDO, AMO, or AO. Reducing the albedo of snow and ice is a power change to the heat absorbed.
Of course that would have an effect.
I was just saying that with climate there is no one cause that would effect it. There are many and they all interact with each other.

In 2000 to 2012 there was a big decrease in Arctic ice but in 2013 and 2014 it started coming back.
 
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Of course that would have an effect.
I was just saying that with climate there is no one cause that would effect it. There are many and they all interact with each other.

In 2000 to 2012 there was a big decrease in Arctic ice but in 2013 and 2014 it started coming back.

Not really. We now see cyclical movement at a far lower average.
 
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Not really. We now see cyclical movement at a far lower average.

Coming out of an ice age, we should expect the artic ice to disappear, with or without man.
 
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Coming out of an ice age, we should expect the artic ice to disappear, with or without man.

Not necessarily completely. Nor is the earth fully enveloped in ice, during an ice age. The equatorial regions are still warm.
 
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Not necessarily completely. Nor is the earth fully enveloped in ice, during an ice age. The equatorial regions are still warm.

It is believed that prior to this ice age, the arctic ice was gone and Ive never seen anything to suggest this wasn't the same case with the previous other 4 ice ages. AND NOTHING to indicate that the arctic ice will not completely disappear this time, before we begin our descent into the next ice age. Not sure of the relevance of your point about the equator being unfrozen "during an ice age" . We are currently in an ice age and we can all clearly see that the equator is not frozen.
But you watch. When the arctic disappears as it is expected as a part of the cycle of ice ages, both the left and science will point to its disappearance as evidence of mans effect on the climate. When it is instead the effect of the cycle of ice ages on the climate.
 
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Wow do you get defensive about having the logic of the alarmist questioned. You seem to think im being unfair questioning the wisdom in focusing efforts on reducing small sources of emissions rather than much larger ones. The alarmists are claiming doomsday is upon us. Its that big of an imperative and im the one thats clueless, lmao.
Its like someone telling you theres an avalanche coming if you dont shovel your driveway to prevent it. Talk about clueless. I think you own that award.
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If someone tells you there's an avalanche coming, you don't petition the governments of other countries to do something about it while ignoring your own. Your statement was stupid and made no sense. Of course people are going to petition their own government first to take the action they need.
 
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It is believed that prior to this ice age, the arctic ice was gone and Ive never seen anything to suggest this wasn't the same case with the previous other 4 ice ages. AND NOTHING to indicate that the arctic ice will not completely disappear this time, before we begin our descent into the next ice age. Not sure of the relevance of your point about the equator being unfrozen "during an ice age" . We are currently in an ice age and we can all clearly see that the equator is not frozen.
But you watch. When the arctic disappears as it is expected as a part of the cycle of ice ages, both the left and science will point to its disappearance as evidence of mans effect on the climate. When it is instead the effect of the cycle of ice ages on the climate.

Well, the arctic ice I will contend is out fault. But due to aerosols changing the albedo of the ice, rather than from greenhouse gasses. The albedo change overshadows the extra radiative forcing changes of CO2 and CH4.
 
That children have to take action then the grown ups fail in their duties and responsibilities.

Freely quoted from the 80's peace rallies for kids I was dragged to:
"No kids, these are SOVIET nuclear missiles. They keep the peace and make the sky blue and kittens purr. Only American nuclear missiles are bad, because the bad man in the white house is crazy! He wears a cowboy hat and hates everyone who isn't rich! You don't want nuclear armageddon, do you? That's why the peace loving good guys had to invade Afghanistan. To save world peace. Ok look cute, it's time to sing for the cameras! And if ayone asks, tell them how scared you are."

Childrens' crusades are not left in peace; they are hijacked by unscrupulous individuals for their own ends. But if you're lucky, they're at least not pedophiles.
 
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Well, the arctic ice I will contend is out fault. But due to aerosols changing the albedo of the ice, rather than from greenhouse gasses. The albedo change overshadows the extra radiative forcing changes of CO2 and CH4.

Aerosols in the air don't change the albedo of the ice.
 
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The trick that appears to fool the left is connected to the nature of the official record. For example, here is question that was asked by a young person.

What is the warmest year on record in human history?

2017 was among the hottest years ever recorded, government scientists reported Thursday. The year was the second-hottest in recorded history, NASA said, while scientists from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported 2017 was the third-warmest they have ever recorded.

If you notice the question, it asked about the hottest year in human history, which is anywhere from 1-2 Million years ago if you believe in evolution and 6000 years ago, if you are a Creationists. On the other hand, the official record only dates back to 1880. The answer is misleading, since the official record, is not the same as in all of human history.

If the answer had been honest science, it would have said, we only have an official record dating back to 1880. Based on that time span, 2017 was among hottest year in the last 140 years of record keeping. Earlier than that, we don't have an official records to say for sure.

This dishonest answer caters to the narrative. Science is supposed to be exact and by the book. When they fail to clarify the time limits of the data, and their data claims, they participate in politics for funding.

As another example, the modern Olympics began in 1896. if we say the Olympic record was broken, yesterday, this only includes the official record starting from 1896. It has nothing to do with the original Olympics, or all of human history before 1896. We do not have records before that, so these will not count, since we cannot verify anything before 1896.

If the same young person asked who was the fastest human in all of history, if we wished to run a narrative, we would say the fastest man ever recorded in the 100 meters, was Jamaica's Usain Bolt in 2009 at 9.58 seconds. The young person, would assume I just answered his question, so he would then tell his friends Bolt was the fastest human of all time. This leads to al type of biological speculation that modern humans are more advanced.

The left falls for this data scam connected to official records. The data is good, but the context of the official record is never clarified, to mean only based on data collected since 1880. Nothing before 1880 is included, as official.

Say a drug manufacturer wanted to use this limitation of data scam to get a new drug to market. They run tests for two years, which are not good. One day they get better results. All they need to do is throw out all the previous data and start the official record when the good data starts. Then they can say, based on the official records we have, this drug is the best of all time. All the science behind this data claim can be official, but it will still mislead, those who do not question what the official record means.
 
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97% of the world's scientists believe climate change is influenced by human activity. The republicans are choosing to embrace the 3% of scientists that don't agree.

Plenty of those remaining 3% are paid shills for the fossil fuel industry.

I have no more respect for any right wing opinion on scientific certainty. They embrace theocracy, autocracy, and ignorance of science for political expediency.

This is the sole planet we have. They would have it raped and pillaged for financial gain, ignoring that if we toxify it, we erase our own species.
 
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