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Kamala Harris announces she is running for president

dcsports said:
Yes. It was a significant amount for the time. (It wasn't in today's dollars) and a fraction of the value of today's company.
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Where are you getting this "the value of today's company" from anyways?

And it ignores the reality that there would be no company today without Daddykins millions to bail sonny boy out of his filling his own diapers time and time and time again.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Personally I hope Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden stay out of the primary. They had their chance.
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I would dispute whether Sanders really had a 'chance' per that debacle of a 2016 primary, nevermind the fact that he entered the race then as a complete unknown, whereas he's one of the best known and most beloved politicos now.
 
TurtleDude said:
Intellectually-she's near the bottom of those who have announced but she fills lots of quota slots/ California is a guaranteed Dem state as well.
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Yes, we need to elect another intellectual heavyweight like Trump!:lamo
 
ataraxia said:
Yes, we need to elect another intellectual heavyweight like Trump!:lamo
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trump is an intellectual heavyweight compared to

Harris
Biden
and several others
 
Surrealistik said:
I'd be surprised if he doesn't. Of all the people thus far running there doesn't seem to be a true torchbearer, but it is certainly possible he will throw in behind one of the stronger progressives that declared in exchange for greater policy alignment.
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Possible. But I do think he might run himself. I think the Justice Democrats are behind him again and the Nurses Union. So it wouldnt surprise me if he runs again. Especially with so many running, he seems to be further left than most so far.
 
TurtleDude said:
trump is an intellectual heavyweight compared to

Harris
Biden
and several others
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C'mon man, you can't really believe that; I can maybe see that vis a vis gaffe master Biden, maybe, though I would disagree, but Harris?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Personally I hope Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden stay out of the primary. They had their chance.
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There are others similar to Biden, but so far not Sanders. He still is further left than most running.
 
pilot16 said:
Possible. But I do think he might run himself. I think the Justice Democrats are behind him again and the Nurses Union. So it wouldnt surprise me if he runs again. Especially with so many running, he seems to be further left than most so far.
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To clarify, I think it's more probable he does run than he sits out to endorse a choice candidate.
 
Surrealistik said:
I would dispute whether Sanders really had a 'chance' per that debacle of a 2016 primary, nevermind the fact that he entered the race then as a complete unknown, whereas he's one of the best known and most beloved politicos now.
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Bernie Sanders is also 77 years old, and by 2020 he would be pushing it at around 80 years old. I have a hard time picturing the Democratic parties bright future being represented by an 80 year old man.

While I do appreciate the fact that he is considering his candidacy early in the process, it is precisely the fact that he is so recognized that I want him to steer clear of the primary. Shouldn’t the future leaders of the party be given a chance to shine rather then allow their big name predecessors hog the media spotlight?


I oppose joe Biden for a similar reason. Nothing personal against the guy but he has a record of running for president. A record of losing the primaries early. Also, he represents the past too much in my mind.
 
Surrealistik said:
C'mon man, you can't really believe that; I can maybe see that vis a vis gaffe master Biden, maybe, though I would disagree, but Harris?
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Harris flunked the Bar exam first time she took it. Gillinbrand is a marshmellow brained parrot. Biden was bottom of his class and a weak law school and flunked the Delaware Bar exam.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Bernie Sanders is also 77 years old, and by 2020 he would be pushing it at around 80 years old. I have a hard time picturing the Democratic parties bright future being represented by an 80 year old man.

While I do appreciate the fact that he is considering his candidacy early in the process, it is precisely the fact that he is so recognized that I want him to steer clear of the primary. Shouldn’t the future leaders of the party be given a chance to shine rather then allow their big name predecessors hog the media spotlight?


I oppose joe Biden for a similar reason. Nothing personal against the guy but he has a record of running for president. A record of losing the primaries early. Also, he represents the past too much in my mind.
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Ultimately, Bernie is in a prime position to run. Moreover, so long as there isn't someone who adequately bears his torch, he has cause to; that's what it comes down to. Now, maybe the latter changes as he endorses a younger progressive per greater alignment, but that development hasn't happened yet, and moreover, I think he might be right to take up the view that existing progressives in the field don't have the same chance to win that he does, even with an endorsement.

I certainly agree his age is a concern, but with the right Vice, it's not much of an issue for me. Moreover, if talking heads want to incessantly tout the virtues of Biden, I don't see age being at all a disqualifier for Bernie.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Bernie Sanders is also 77 years old, and by 2020 he would be pushing it at around 80 years old. I have a hard time picturing the Democratic parties bright future being represented by an 80 year old man.

While I do appreciate the fact that he is considering his candidacy early in the process, it is precisely the fact that he is so recognized that I want him to steer clear of the primary. Shouldn’t the future leaders of the party be given a chance to shine rather then allow their big name predecessors hog the media spotlight?


I oppose joe Biden for a similar reason. Nothing personal against the guy but he has a record of running for president. A record of losing the primaries early. Also, he represents the past too much in my mind.
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We need a real leader not someone still in political diapers rolling around the debate stage with training wheels. I’m not a fan of Sanders, voted against him in the last primary, but he’s miles ahead of most of the jokers contemplating candidacy. Harris doesn’t represent the future anyway, if progressive visions of the future are to be believed.
 
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TurtleDude said:
Harris flunked the Bar exam first time she took it. Gillinbrand is a marshmellow brained parrot. Biden was bottom of his class and a weak law school and flunked the Delaware Bar exam.
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Sure, but it's not like Trump was a good student himself, and there's plenty evidence of that. Moreover, his faculties have definitely and notably declined since his university days, besides the fact he didn't have all that much to begin with. I'm not coming at this from a partisan angle here, I just think he's pretty explicitly dumb per countless cumulative indicators.
 
Surrealistik said:
Sure, but it's not like Trump was a good student himself, and there's plenty evidence of that. Moreover, his faculties have definitely and notably declined since his university days, besides the fact he didn't have all that much to begin with. I'm not coming at this from a partisan angle here, I just think he's pretty explicitly dumb per countless cumulative indicators.
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I don't think he's nearly in the same league as GHWB, Clinton or even Obama but he's not stupid.
 
Surrealistik said:
Ultimately, Bernie is in a prime position to run. Moreover, so long as there isn't someone who adequately bears his torch, he has cause to; that's what it comes down to. Now, maybe the latter changes as he endorses a younger progressive per greater alignment, but that development hasn't happened yet, and moreover, I think he might be right to take up the view that existing progressives in the field don't have the same chance to win that he does, even with an endorsement.

I certainly agree his age is a concern, but with the right Vice, it's not much of an issue for me. Moreover, if talking heads want to incessantly tout the virtues of Biden, I don't see age being at all a disqualifier for Bernie.
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In case you didn’t notice I said I opposed Biden for the same fundamental reasons I oppose sanders running.


It is Because Biden and Sanders are so well known that it would become a race between the two of those relics, and the newer lesser known democrats would be knocked out of the running by a media obsessed with Biden and sanders. My solution is simple: Biden and sanders stand aside allow the future leaders of the Democratic Party emerge from a field of unknown candidates.


Do you actually want a competitive primary or another 2 horse race created by a media narrative?
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't think he's nearly in the same league as GHWB, Clinton or even Obama but he's not stupid.
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I would agree with this in a certain capacity. To clarify, my view is that he went from mediocre, middling at best (but not stupid), to pretty explicitly stupid in his old age.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
In case you didn’t notice I said I opposed Biden for the same fundamental reasons I oppose sanders running.


It is Because Biden and Sanders are so well known that it would become a race between the two of those relics, and the newer lesser known democrats would be knocked out of the running by a media obsessed with Biden and sanders. My solution is simple: Biden and sanders stand aside allow the future leaders of the Democratic Party emerge from a field of unknown candidates.


Do you actually want a competitive primary or another 2 horse race created by a media narrative?
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I did notice that, and in my view, I want the best, strongest progressive in the race: if that is Bernie, so be it, and if it isn't, he should move over. That's ultimately what it comes down to.

If all else were equal, yes, Bernie should step aside for younger blood, but I'm not so sure that this is the case.
 
nota bene said:
I have such antipathy for her because of her unnecessarily aggressive and rude behavior toward Jeff Sessions that I don't think I can see past this to any platform of hers. But there is her seeming to favor a religious test for those who would serve in public office: https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/syndicated-columnists/article224782985.html
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I can respect that, much of that exchange between Harris and Sessions was showmanship. It was obvious that Sessions did not want to be there just as much as it was clear that Harris was going to go after him as a means to dig on Trump.

But I have to admit, Sessions claiming to be nervous was a classic moment.

The issue with Buescher and the Knights of Columbus is another matter, the repeated suggestion of attacks on Christianity or "anti-Catholic" bigotry is argumentative at best. All things considered the overwhelming majority of politicians both left and right in this nation identify as Christian, and Harris identifies as Baptist (but with Hindu traditions... whatever that means.)

The whole issue of "religious test" is becoming more absurd the further we go.
 
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Surrealistik said:
Ultimately, Bernie is in a prime position to run. Moreover, so long as there isn't someone who adequately bears his torch, he has cause to; that's what it comes down to. Now, maybe the latter changes as he endorses a younger progressive per greater alignment, but that development hasn't happened yet, and moreover, I think he might be right to take up the view that existing progressives in the field don't have the same chance to win that he does, even with an endorsement.

I certainly agree his age is a concern, but with the right Vice, it's not much of an issue for me. Moreover, if talking heads want to incessantly tout the virtues of Biden, I don't see age being at all a disqualifier for Bernie.
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Bernie also at least thus far, has the greatest union support. So that makes a game changer in the rust belt. Dems cant keep relying on the coastal states and white collar professionals to win the EC. They need those blue collar union steel workers and UAW ones. The dems have lost them twice, once to Reagan in 1984 and once to Trump in 2016.
 
Surrealistik said:
I did notice that, and in my view, I want the best, strongest progressive in the race: if that is Bernie, so be it, and if it isn't, he should move over. That's ultimately what it comes down to.

If all else were equal, yes, Bernie should step aside for younger blood, but I'm not so sure that this is the case.
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Bernie Sanders, if he chooses to run, will not have the field to himself in 2020.

Back in 2016 he only had clinton as a top-teir contender to deal with. The 2020 Democratic Party primary is shaping up to be a major knock down brawl of 10 or more prominent candidates.

One place I will be looking at is the South Carolina primary, where I will be watching to see if he improves on his performance among African American voters. I believe he only got 26% of the African American vote in the South Carolina primary. If his message performs that poorly among African American voters in his second attempt at becoming president, then his chances at securing the democratic nomination, and his chances at winning the presidency, are slim.

If 2018 taught democrats anything, it taught them that African American voters will play a decisive role in securing victory for the democratic nominee.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Bernie Sanders, if he chooses to run, will not have the field to himself in 2020.

Back in 2016 he only had clinton as a top-teir contender to deal with. The 2020 Democratic Party primary is shaping up to be a major knock down brawl of 10 or more prominent candidates.

One place I will be looking at is the South Carolina primary, where I will be watching to see if he improves on his performance among African American voters. I believe he only got 26% of the African American vote in the South Carolina primary. If his message performs that poorly among African American voters in his second attempt at becoming president, then his chances at securing the democratic nomination, and his chances at winning the presidency, are slim.

If 2018 taught democrats anything, it taught them that African American voters will play a decisive role in securing victory for the democratic nominee.
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This might interest you:

https://boingboing.net/2018/01/22/a-future-to-believe-in.html

And yes, I agree the field will be very competitive, absolutely; that's all the more reason for progressives to field their biggest guns.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Bernie Sanders, if he chooses to run, will not have the field to himself in 2020.

Back in 2016 he only had clinton as a top-teir contender to deal with. The 2020 Democratic Party primary is shaping up to be a major knock down brawl of 10 or more prominent candidates.

One place I will be looking at is the South Carolina primary, where I will be watching to see if he improves on his performance among African American voters. I believe he only got 26% of the African American vote in the South Carolina primary. If his message performs that poorly among African American voters in his second attempt at becoming president, then his chances at securing the democratic nomination, and his chances at winning the presidency, are slim.

If 2018 taught democrats anything, it taught them that African American voters will play a decisive role in securing victory for the democratic nominee.
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I think Bernies goal in all of this may not be just to run and win. Its also to move the party left. He has said its racing to the right to follow the GOP and wants the dems to set their own course. He also wants to motivate the youth. If he does those things he will be happy. If they just remain a moderate centrist party he will have failed. To be honest, his biggest accomplishment to date was getting AOC to run and win. She has said he was her inspiration. Her and others like her are the future of the democratic party.
 
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