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Gillibrand says she's worried about top options in Dem 2020 poll being white men

Oborosen said:
Hell, at this point the democrats may experience some strange schism and split into two different parties before the next election.
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it has been noted by several commentators over the last 30 years that they expect the Democratic Party to have some interesting issues concerning "favored minority group" issues. One article I read-at least 15 years ago, noted that in some areas of the country, Latinos were voting in larger numbers for the Democratic Congressional candidate than blacks but the party kept picking blacks rather than Latinos for political office. There are already some conflicts. Some of the Democrats most reliable supporters include some Asian groups and Jewish Americans. Their economic interests are often diametrically opposed to the economic interests of groups that are far more dependent on government handouts and support. Blue collar workers are also strong supporters of the Dems-especially union members. Yet trade unions (as opposed to pure bargaining units like AFSCME or SEIU) such as the IBEW, the Carpenters or pipefitters are often very pro gun rights as well as voting for the Dems. So I expect to see some interesting conflicts as the interests of various DNC constituents collide.
 
JMR said:
It was a simple answer to your simply snide question. Innumeracy is a real handicap, and it's existence is well demonstrated in your posts and throughout this thread. Do try to keep to the subject here, and defend your OP.
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No, yours was a snide question made in opposition to my rhetorical question.

If my thread is so beneath you, perhaps you could find one more intellectually stimulating. If that doesn't do it for you, keep on doing what you purport to detest, "wallowing in ignorance."
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JasperL said:
Rich, white male says, "I don't see a problem with rich white men in power!" No kidding TD.... :roll:

But as to your quotas, looks to me like the GOP have a hard quota - white men only. That's what the evidence shows. Well, the occasional woman slips through, not sure how. Probably because she's FAR more qualified than the male options in that district is my best guess.
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people tend to be selected who support the agenda of the party. Your claim that the GOP only selects white men has no basis in fact. it just might be more of the fact that white women who have conservative values are not apt to run for office as much as women who are left wing.
 
TurtleDude said:
we can play that game all night long and there are so many reasons that we will never figure it out. men traditionally have been the sex that seeks political office. I don't know if those men had female challengers in the primaries. I would note that there was a substantial number of my law professors who were Jewish. Far more than 2% of the professors I had in law school. I didn't have a single Asian or Black law professor in any class I took. on the other hand, the Teaching assistants in my college math class were 75% Asian-Chinese or Indian. I don't believe there were any reasons why this was true that could be attributed to racist reasons whatsoever.
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And yet the Democratic newly elected Congressmen do not exhibit this "tradition"....you seem to claim that is due to democratic quotas. In your example, if a competing law school had a much more diverse staff might students question if there were in fact reasons?
 
Oborosen said:
If you're using race, or gender to validate any of your decisions then you've already failed.
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That wasn't my argument.

I'm entirely okay with this picture because I know that these men were put there by those that chose them and not all of those people making such a choice were white men.

It's all just identity politics and I could care less about their gender, preferred gender, or the color of their skin. So long as they are capable of doing their job effectively. I'm all for them having their seat at the table.
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Well, of course, so am I. What I also understand is women have different perspectives than men - if you've been married longer than a few months, surely you've grasped this by now, and if you don't agree, ask your wife. :2razz:

And minorities who live in urban areas will have different perspectives than white people who live in the country. Do you dispute this? Seems obvious to me.

Point is if you're a white man, of course you are comfortable with people just like you in power. That's natural. Why would you expect others to be comfortable represented by those NOT like them?
 
You have to remember that the left hates white males now. They think that they are the core of all things evil and nasty!
If you are white male sit down and shut up. As far as the left is concerned you are not to be heard. :(
 
How many black, LGBTQ and female members of Congress are members of the GOP?
 
JMR said:
And yet the Democratic newly elected Congressmen do not exhibit this "tradition"....you seem to claim that is due to democratic quotas. In your example, if a competing law school had a much more diverse staff might students question if there were in fact reasons?
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I don't know-i graduated law school in 1984. the affirmative action programs had not started turning out minorities with the sort of degrees who would get hired by top law schools. I do recall the Dean of Admissions at Yale Law was black. All the big name law schools are far more diverse now then they were 35 or so years ago. I also believe that most of the top law schools have more female students than male. that was not the case 35 years ago-White women were as favored by affirmative action as blacks were in the late 60s and 70s and up through about 1988 or so IIRC. now there is no advantage to being a female applicant to places like Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Columbia or Penn law schools.
 
Parrish said:
How many black, LGBTQ and female members of Congress are members of the GOP?
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what is the percentage of blacks and LGBT who vote for the GOP? since blacks are 9 times more likely to vote for Dems than GOP it would make sense if the black congressional delegation is 90% dem or better.
 
trixare4kids said:
No, yours was a snide question made in opposition to my rhetorical question.

If my thread is so beneath you, perhaps you could find one more intellectually stimulating. If that doesn't do it for you, keep on doing what you purport to detest, "wallowing in ignorance."
:lol:
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And yet another failed attempt to pretend some sort of competency. I think you have lost your way in defending your original statement and resort to the usual attacks.

If everyone who found your remarks less than intellectually stimulating moved on, you would have a nice little platform to make your unchallenged posts. Would that work for you?
 
TurtleDude said:
what is the percentage of blacks and LGBT who vote for the GOP? since blacks are 9 times more likely to vote for Dems than GOP it would make sense if the black congressional delegation is 90% dem or better.
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And why is that?
 
TurtleDude said:
people tend to be selected who support the agenda of the party. Your claim that the GOP only selects white men has no basis in fact. it just might be more of the fact that white women who have conservative values are not apt to run for office as much as women who are left wing.
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Yikes....but OK. Right Wing Little woman stays at home, I'll accept that. Are there other people not represented in the incoming GOP Congress?
 
TurtleDude said:
people tend to be selected who support the agenda of the party. Your claim that the GOP only selects white men has no basis in fact. it just might be more of the fact that white women who have conservative values are not apt to run for office as much as women who are left wing.
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My point is if if you look at the evidence, it's the GOP who runs on a quota system - white men strongly preferred. It is good of you to note that white women might also be qualified though....

But I agree that people on the Democratic side are selected who support the Democratic agenda. Of course that's true. You're the one alleging Democrats don't care about qualifications and choose based on race and gender and religion. From where I sit the Democratic party looks like a pretty open and welcoming tent, with elected representatives from across the demographic board. No quota system there. EVERYONE can apply.
 
Parrish said:
And why is that?
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well for blacks we can go back to LBJ. Gays-it makes sense-part of the GOP is the bible thumper wing that has been hateful and hostile to gay rights.
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't know-i graduated law school in 1984. the affirmative action programs had not started turning out minorities with the sort of degrees who would get hired by top law schools. I do recall the Dean of Admissions at Yale Law was black. All the big name law schools are far more diverse now then they were 35 or so years ago. I also believe that most of the top law schools have more female students than male. that was not the case 35 years ago-White women were as favored by affirmative action as blacks were in the late 60s and 70s and up through about 1988 or so IIRC. now there is no advantage to being a female applicant to places like Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Columbia or Penn law schools.
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But somehow that does not carry over to running for GOP Congress. Why?
 
JasperL said:
My point is if if you look at the evidence, it's the GOP who runs on a quota system - white men strongly preferred.

But I agree that people on the Democratic side are selected who support the Democratic agenda. Of course that's true. You're the one alleging Democrats don't care about qualifications and choose based on race and gender and religion. From where I sit the Democratic party looks like a pretty open and welcoming tent, with elected representatives from across the board. No quota system there. EVERYONE can apply.
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you seem to confuse politics with quotas. GOP platforms that favor net tax payers, law enforcement, corporate management and less governmental handouts is going to appeal to people who are less dependent on government handouts and less likely to be using more governmental welfare. right now that is usually suburban whites. white women who are married generally support the GOP too. Single women tend to support the Democrats because they are often more dependent on government services. So are urban blacks. while Rural whites are often not affluent, they tend to vote GOP for other reasons than tax or welfare issues.
 
TurtleDude said:
well for blacks we can go back to LBJ. Gays-it makes sense-part of the GOP is the bible thumper wing that has been hateful and hostile to gay rights.
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And yet they are OK with a philanderer liar. Kind of ignoring some of the commandments there. ;)
 
TurtleDude said:
well for blacks we can go back to LBJ. Gays-it makes sense-part of the GOP is the bible thumper wing that has been hateful and hostile to gay rights.
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So, the GOP is composed of anti-Black/brown-xenophobes-anti-LGBT-White-Evangelicals. Thanks!
 
JMR said:
But somehow that does not carry over to running for GOP Congress. Why?
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I don't know. I know in our area the three GOP congressmen are white. One district was represented by a white woman. due to Ohio losing seats because of population loss and that caused-IIRC-a primary fight that cost the woman her seat. we have tons of Republican women in more local positions-school boards especially, and the city I live in-the GOP primary generally is the election that counts. We had republican women on the Ohio Supreme Court and as Lt Governor under Kasich. I don't recall many local republican women seeking to move up to more prominent offices. Why? I don't have any involvement with the local party other than having a lunch every few years or so with congressman Chabot (my rep)-mainly because My late father was one of his earliest supporters and friends and because if a gun issue comes up, he wants my take on the issue. The former GOP boss in the county I grew up in-was big on promoting women-the first female federal judge in the USDC for the SD of Ohio-Sandra Beckwith-was one of his picks, and he was a big supporter of the woman who lost to then Senator Mike DeWine in the 94 GOP primary-Dr Bernadette Healy. He also was instrumental in putting Black Republican Judge Melba Marsh on the Hamilton county bench
 
Parrish said:
So, the GOP is composed of anti-Black/brown-xenophobes-anti-LGBT-non-White-Evangelicals. Thanks!
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that's really stupid but to be expected. part of the GOP is anti gay. but claiming its anti black or brown is just plain idiotic and you know it.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's really stupid but to be expected. part of the GOP is anti gay. but claiming its anti black or brown is just plain idiotic and you know it.
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Prove it.
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't know. I know in our area the three GOP congressmen are white. One district was represented by a white woman. due to Ohio losing seats because of population loss and that caused-IIRC-a primary fight that cost the woman her seat. we have tons of Republican women in more local positions-school boards especially, and the city I live in-the GOP primary generally is the election that counts. We had republican women on the Ohio Supreme Court and as Lt Governor under Kasich. I don't recall many local republican women seeking to move up to more prominent offices. Why? I don't have any involvement with the local party other than having a lunch every few years or so with congressman Chabot (my rep)-mainly because My late father was one of his earliest supporters and friends and because if a gun issue comes up, he wants my take on the issue. The former GOP boss in the county I grew up in-was big on promoting women-the first female federal judge in the USDC for the SD of Ohio-Sandra Beckwith-was one of his picks, and he was a big supporter of the woman who lost to then Senator Mike DeWine in the 94 GOP primary-Dr Bernadette Healy. He also was instrumental in putting Black Republican Judge Melba Marsh on the Hamilton county bench
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So simple question....would it be highly unreasonable for a Latino woman to feel she is not adequately represented by your current representation? Or do you see her as racist?
 
JMR said:
So simple question....would it be highly unreasonable for a Latino woman to feel she is not adequately represented by your current representation? Or do you see her as racist?
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I have no idea what her politics are. I vote based on the laws they would pass. I don't care what they look like. a pro gun, pro taxpayer politician of any gender or race or sexual orientation would get my vote over a white gun banner like Chuck Schumer
 
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