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Global warming should be called global heating, says key scientist

Did you read the post I was responding to?

I used simple logic. Seems environmentalist who are wedded to the AGW THEORY of climate change should reexamine their ideology of man being the main or only causer of climate change. There is where the 'science' goes off the rails.

Side note: BTW, Deuce, voting is not a right. Felons have their voting rights, currently, taken away.
 
I am actually familiar with Feldman et al 2015, it is a very good paper, as they include a good methods section.
Did you read the words above what you boldfaced?
"The time series both show statistically significant trends of 0.2 W m−2 per decade (with respective uncertainties of ±0.06 W m−2 per decade and ±0.07 W m−2 per decade) and have seasonal ranges of 0.1–0.2 W m−2. This is approximately ten per cent of the trend in downwelling longwave radiation5,6,7. "
What they measure was approximately ten per cent of what the change should have been.
If the concept of AGW is to be believed, the energy that used to be escaping to space is now re emitted back down towards earth,
forcing the atmosphere to warm to regain balance.
Throw in the first law of thermodynamics, that energy can neither be created or destroyed, and it means that all
the energy not escaping, must be staying, so what was measured was what was there.
So if they measures 0.2 W m−2 per decade over the 1.1 decades that CO2 increased from 269 ppm to 392 ppm, lets just see what CO2 imbalance would be for 2XCO2.
0.2 W m−2 per decade for 1.1 decades would be .22 W m−2, so .22/ ln(392/369)= 3.64
3.64X ln(2)=2.52 Wm-2, instead of the current 3.71 Wm-2.
This would throw off all the estimates used in the models by 32%.

Sure, if you did not take into account positive feedbacks, changes in albedo resulting from ice loss, massive land use changes resulting from human activity and so on. Are you honestly so arrogant to think that something has occurred to you about climate science that has not occurred to those with decades of education and research in the field?
 
This British scientist makes some great points in his address at the UN climate summit, currently underway, in Katowice, Poland.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...o-describe-risks-to-planet-says-key-scientist

Prof Richard Betts, who leads the climate research arm of Britain’s meteorological monitoring organisation, made the comments amid growing evidence that rising temperatures have passed the comfort zone and are now bringing increased threats to humanity.
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“Global warming doesn’t capture the scale of destruction. Speaking of hothouse Earth is legitimate,” he said.
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At 3C of change, Schellnhuber said southern Spain would become part of the Sahara. Even 2C, he said, could not be guaranteed as safe.

Another very selective article to promote the leftwing radical agenda which would destroy the U.S. and world economies all to make people like you feel good. Amazing how the European socialist economy has increased gas house emissions while claiming to be for a reduction and how the U.S. has actually reduced emissions. Seems that you and the rest of the radicals only buy what you want to believe totally ignoring actual data and any research on accuracy

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ste...st-admit-that-this-is-a-successful-presidency

How very strange. You know how climate change activists never stop going on about believing in the science and how facts matter. Then why aren't they cheering the United States, instead of jeering?

In the evil populist "Trump's America," here's what happened to energy-related carbon emissions: In 2017, they fell by 0.5 percent. But in the saintly globalist European Union, they went up by 1.5 percent in the same period. In fact, per-capita carbon emissions in Trump's America are nearly at a 70-year low.

It turns out energy deregulation does more to fight climate change than going to conferences. I guess you might call that an “inconvenient truth." This one's pretty inconvenient if you're the kind of person that goes around saying Trump is a fake populist, that he's not doing anything to help the forgotten men and women in this country.
 
I'm sure you're 100% certain, so you'll have no trouble pointing out the errant data of the prognosticators. So let's see it.

Why should I waste my time when all I have to do is ask why the amount of CO2 and only the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is of paramount importance in reducing climate change?

I mean, are you concerned about reducing climate change or are you trying to make a political statement? I think the latter.
 
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Sure, if you did not take into account positive feedbacks, changes in albedo resulting from ice loss, massive land use changes resulting from human activity and so on. Are you honestly so arrogant to think that something has occurred to you about climate science that has not occurred to those with decades of education and research in the field?

Don't forget the firm belief that man is the main or only causer of climate change. You know, it's called the AGW theory.
 
Don't forget the firm belief that man is the main or only causer of climate change. You know, it's called the AGW theory.

Science doesn't work like religion. With science you don't pick a belief, you accept the science. Just the same, there are over 7 billion people on this earth. We have developed over 50% of the earth's land surface. It beggars belief that any species that developed over half the earth's land surface and that had measurably changed the composition of the earth's atmosphere, would not have a significant impact on the earth's climate.
 
Sure, if you did not take into account positive feedbacks, changes in albedo resulting from ice loss, massive land use changes resulting from human activity and so on. Are you honestly so arrogant to think that something has occurred to you about climate science that has not occurred to those with decades of education and research in the field?
Except that positive feedbacks, changes is albedo,, land use changes and so on, were not included in the 3.71 Wm-2 estimate ether.
The models all start with the assumption that we know how much energy imbalance will result from 2XCO2, if that is off, so is everything that follows.
 
Except that positive feedbacks, changes is albedo,, land use changes and so on, were not included in the 3.71 Wm-2 estimate ether.
The models all start with the assumption that we know how much energy imbalance will result from 2XCO2, if that is off, so is everything that follows.

Funny how the models have been shown to be so accurate. How are your Climatologist-wanna-be models doing?
 
Another very selective article to promote the leftwing radical agenda which would destroy the U.S. and world economies all to make people like you feel good. Amazing how the European socialist economy has increased gas house emissions while claiming to be for a reduction and how the U.S. has actually reduced emissions. Seems that you and the rest of the radicals only buy what you want to believe totally ignoring actual data and any research on accuracy

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ste...st-admit-that-this-is-a-successful-presidency

FOX News :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
Sure, if you did not take into account positive feedbacks, changes in albedo resulting from ice loss, massive land use changes resulting from human activity and so on. Are you honestly so arrogant to think that something has occurred to you about climate science that has not occurred to those with decades of education and research in the field?

He posts the same Gibberish every day.
 
If the global warming scare were to go away, he would be out of a job. He obviously has a vested interest in keeping the hoax alive.

No he wouldn't. He studies climate. There will always be climate. If he wanted money, he would work for the energy industry, making huge money selling his soul. Big energy would LOVE a guy with his resume on their payroll.
 
No roof top solar. I'm not throwing in the towel, whatever that means, but I don't do any more than the average person. I am confident in the conclusions I've drawn; all the alternative energy we could ever produce won't be enough unless we get population under control. And we also need to develop a sustainable economic system not based on continual growth. BTW; it's not just me thinking this way. There are a number of scientists warning about this.

You do know that technology gets better, right? The first computer was the size of a room and it did pretty much nothing.
 
Funny how the models have been shown to be so accurate. How are your Climatologist-wanna-be models doing?
Actually the models match up lower emission scenarios to observations, which means the same thing, the models are running hot.
 
You do know that technology gets better, right? The first computer was the size of a room and it did pretty much nothing.

Yes, that's true. But technology isn't going to change the size of the planet or how much resources it has. Those things are finite. Eventually 10 billion people, all wanting to live the middle class American lifestyle? All the technology we could ever develop won't make that happen.
 
If the global warming scare were to go away, he would be out of a job. He obviously has a vested interest in keeping the hoax alive.

So do the companies buying the bad research that claims AGW is not real. The difference is you bought the minority opinion, which was purchased by some ****ing review board, from some corporate entity.

Lulz.
 
Actually the models match up lower emission scenarios to observations, which means the same thing, the models are running hot.

Reputable scientific source please.
 
Pay attention. This was not even the discussion at hand.

So no answer to the question, did the U.S. cut emissions in 2017 since the topic of this thread is Global warming and constant blame by you and others against Trump
 
So no answer to the question, did the U.S. cut emissions in 2017 since the topic of this thread is Global warming and constant blame by you and others against Trump

Yes, so what's your point. Wind energy has gone from less than 2% to over 8%. Solar has picked up too. Let's accelerate and continue this trend. That said, your post was off-topic for the discussion that was underway.
 
Yes, so what's your point. Wind energy has gone from less than 2% to over 8%. Solar has picked up too. Let's accelerate and continue this trend. That said, your post was off-topic for the discussion that was underway.

Isn't it the belief by the radical left that global warming is being caused by emissions and if emissions in this country are down during the first year of Trump how does that indicate he has led to an increase in global warming? My post is only off topic to people like you who continue to blame the President and our country for the problem totally ignoring that Europe and the rest of the world is truly the problem and implementing your green energy policies like Solyndra will hurt us economically as the rest of the world ignores the problem. You see, saying and doing are two different actions
 
Isn't it the belief by the radical left that global warming is being caused by emissions and if emissions in this country are down during the first year of Trump how does that indicate he has led to an increase in global warming? My post is only off topic to people like you who continue to blame the President and our country for the problem totally ignoring that Europe and the rest of the world is truly the problem and implementing your green energy policies like Solyndra will hurt us economically as the rest of the world ignores the problem. You see, saying and doing are two different actions

Other countries have also reduced emissions, some much more than the US. Casting blame does nothing to correct a problem. The world needs to unite together even begin to solve this problem. Trump is not a Uniter. He couldn't even unite his own Party. Despite holding the House, Senate, and the Presidency, Republicans accomplished almost ZERO legislative victories. Remember all those great solutions they had for health care, while campaigning???
 
Other countries have also reduced emissions, some much more than the US. Casting blame does nothing to correct a problem. The world needs to unite together even begin to solve this problem. Trump is not a Uniter. He couldn't even unite his own Party. Despite holding the House, Senate, and the Presidency, Republicans accomplished almost ZERO legislative victories. Remember all those great solutions they had for health care, while campaigning???

Zero legislative victories? LOL, I am sure glad Obama is out of office generating the incredible economic results by eliminating his negative growth EO's, promoting an American first economic policy, and of course giving us that tax cut that is in place now. Not sure where you get your information but I will never understand people like you who always buy what they want to hear and do no research to verify the accuracy of it.
 
Yes, that's true. But technology isn't going to change the size of the planet or how much resources it has. Those things are finite. Eventually 10 billion people, all wanting to live the middle class American lifestyle? All the technology we could ever develop won't make that happen.

I do agree that population has gotten way out of hand.
 
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