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California Firefighters Union president to Trump: ‘You’re an idiot’

The fact that you posted this and the fact that not one but two people actually had the indecency to "like" your post only confirm why the right is about to be dead for generations.

Nobody with even a shred of decency would ever post something this disgusting and nobody with even a shred of decency would ever "like" a post this disgusting.

Well if California is one of the highest money grossing states on the planet THEN IT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY MANAGE ITS FIRES not just ignore them without controlled burns. If you burn it at the right time all the underbrush goes up and most the trees live.
 
Sadly, PG&G appears to be culpable for the deadly Camp fire that wiped out an entire town. They will pay dearly for this...
I know in fact that SDG&E was responsible for two fires in the San Diego area in recent years.

Utilities need to go underground. It's a recipe for disaster, Santa Ana winds and downed power lines. All it takes is one spark.
Gov. Brown could have done more to pass legislation that would have required electric companies to do more.

If all it takes is 1 little spark or 1 little cigarette flick then obviously the problem is that no one control-burned anything.
 
Well if California is one of the highest money grossing states on the planet THEN IT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY MANAGE ITS FIRES not just ignore them without controlled burns. If you burn it at the right time all the underbrush goes up and most the trees live.

You may be right to some extent, but the biggest problem with controlled burns is the subsequent air pollution. Besides having wildfire issues, California also has some of the most Air-Polluted cities in the United States.

By Year Round Particle Pollution
#1: Fairbanks, AK
#2: Visalia-Porterville-Hanford, CA
#3: Bakersfield, CA
#4: Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA
#5: Fresno-Madera, CA
#6: Modesto-Merced, CA
#7: El Centro, CA
#8: Lancaster, PA
#8: Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton, PA-OH-WV
#10: San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA


https://www.lung.org/our-initiatives/healthy-air/sota/city-rankings/most-polluted-cities.html

Maybe if they control-burn on days that the wind is blowing out into the Pacific...
 
Well if California is one of the highest money grossing states on the planet THEN IT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY MANAGE ITS FIRES not just ignore them without controlled burns. If you burn it at the right time all the underbrush goes up and most the trees live.

They do it all the time, here in Louisiana. Looks to me like it works great.
 
You may be right to some extent, but the biggest problem with controlled burns is the subsequent air pollution. Besides having wildfire issues, California also has some of the most Air-Polluted cities in the United States.

By Year Round Particle Pollution
#1: Fairbanks, AK
#2: Visalia-Porterville-Hanford, CA
#3: Bakersfield, CA
#4: Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA
#5: Fresno-Madera, CA
#6: Modesto-Merced, CA
#7: El Centro, CA
#8: Lancaster, PA
#8: Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton, PA-OH-WV
#10: San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA


https://www.lung.org/our-initiatives/healthy-air/sota/city-rankings/most-polluted-cities.html

Maybe if they control-burn on days that the wind is blowing out into the Pacific...

Are you being serious here? If so those days are Santa Anna winds days that is what drives these fires.
 
Are you being serious here? If so those days are Santa Anna winds days that is what drives these fires.

I was serious, but I also wasn't aware that those were the Santa Anna wind direction. Time to rethink my wildfire control philosophy.
 
Are you being serious here? If so those days are Santa Anna winds days that is what drives these fires.

I have the solution. More rain dances? Seriously, I was in Phoenix recently, and they are in an extended drought also. Sounds normal for a dessert, but the drought extends to the mountainous areas, which is the source of their water supply.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/californias-drought/

California is entering the fourth year of a record-breaking drought creating an extremely parched landscape.
 
Sure they are, you care more about putting partisan jabs than the families. Stay classy and let us know what you are doing for the victims instead of posting partisan jabs.

You have no idea what I care about. And only a complete jackass would try to claim they know what someone else is thinking. Especially when that person has clearly stated otherwise. Maybe your bull**** lies and fabrication works with other libtards, even here, but your swinging below your weight here.
 
Trump says again that the lands need more management and that means he hates firefighters.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/donald-trump-again-blames-management-204301880.html

In a word , No. You are wrong in saying Trump "hates firefighters".

Trump has talked out of his ass a bunch during this last round of fires in CA. imo, he is not wrong in saying we need better "forest management". In general our forests are overstocked and need of thinning. The US also needs to quit building in high fire prone areas without implementing Firewise standards.
 
The politicians are the ones who have been the primary failures here over the last decades....This is completely an accountability of failed politicians matter......Trump has nothing to do with making this political..as you should know.

The California Republican Party is DEAD. As of this writing, even Orange County no longer has a single Republican in the state House of Representatives, (aka "The California State Assembly")

Voters handed the Democrats another SUPERMAJORITY.
So, if you're looking to point fingers at primary political failures, you can start by pointing at California Republicans, who pissed off even hardcore Orange County conservatives to the point where many of them wouldn't even bother to vote this time.

And for you to sit there and deny that Trump's threats to withhold federal funding "isn't making this political" is so far off the scale absurd it would be funny, if not for the charred corpses smoldering in the background.

Nonstop screeching about "trains to nowhere" and complaints about gas taxes didn't impress voters, who signaled their support for the 2017 gas tax hike, perhaps for one simple reason. We want our transportation infrastructure to function properly, and we want it to achieve goals that will position us as ready for the future, a future which includes high speed rail, autonomous and electric vehicles, better roads and freeways, and better urban rail systems and public transportation that supports it.

Nobody likes paying more, but if you're getting something for it, it hurts less.
Nobody likes paying higher prices for gasoline, but if you get incentives for buying fuel efficient vehicles, it hurts less.

Frankly, it's not a good thing for California to have a near permanent Democratic supermajority. We'll get a chance to rack up some stunning accomplishments but of course such a concentration of unchallenged power is also likely to generate some rather loathsome side effects.
It's not that power corrupts, it's that power acts as a magnet for the very worst corruptible people.
California needs a well organized loyal and conservative opposition.

The problem is, such a thing does not exist right now in The Golden State.
To paraphrase Digby Parton, the "party has already shrunk to a rump faction of racist wingnuts, just like everywhere else in the country."

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And now, it apparently also consists of people who celebrate a president who scorns the efforts of California's firefighters.
 
The California Republican Party is DEAD. As of this writing, even Orange County no longer has a single Republican in the state House of Representatives, (aka "The California State Assembly")

Voters handed the Democrats another SUPERMAJORITY.
So, if you're looking to point fingers at primary political failures, you can start by pointing at California Republicans, who pissed off even hardcore Orange County conservatives to the point where many of them wouldn't even bother to vote this time.

And for you to sit there and deny that Trump's threats to withhold federal funding "isn't making this political" is so far off the scale absurd it would be funny, if not for the charred corpses smoldering in the background.

Nonstop screeching about "trains to nowhere" and complaints about gas taxes didn't impress voters, who signaled their support for the 2017 gas tax hike, perhaps for one simple reason. We want our transportation infrastructure to function properly, and we want it to achieve goals that will position us as ready for the future, a future which includes high speed rail, autonomous and electric vehicles, better roads and freeways, and better urban rail systems and public transportation that supports it.

Nobody likes paying more, but if you're getting something for it, it hurts less.
Nobody likes paying higher prices for gasoline, but if you get incentives for buying fuel efficient vehicles, it hurts less.

Frankly, it's not a good thing for California to have a near permanent Democratic supermajority. We'll get a chance to rack up some stunning accomplishments but of course such a concentration of unchallenged power is also likely to generate some rather loathsome side effects.
It's not that power corrupts, it's that power acts as a magnet for the very worst corruptible people.
California needs a well organized loyal and conservative opposition.

The problem is, such a thing does not exist right now in The Golden State.
To paraphrase Digby Parton, the "party has already shrunk to a rump faction of racist wingnuts, just like everywhere else in the country."

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And now, it apparently also consists of people who celebrate a president who scorns the efforts of California's firefighters.

It is DISGRACEFUL that trump supporters are attacking firefighters. But what do you expect? They called John McCain a coward and a traitor. They even celebrated McCain's death. DISGUSTING.
 
The California Republican Party is DEAD. As of this writing, even Orange County no longer has a single Republican in the state House of Representatives, (aka "The California State Assembly")

Voters handed the Democrats another SUPERMAJORITY.
So, if you're looking to point fingers at primary political failures, you can start by pointing at California Republicans, who pissed off even hardcore Orange County conservatives to the point where many of them wouldn't even bother to vote this time.

And for you to sit there and deny that Trump's threats to withhold federal funding "isn't making this political" is so far off the scale absurd it would be funny, if not for the charred corpses smoldering in the background.

Nonstop screeching about "trains to nowhere" and complaints about gas taxes didn't impress voters, who signaled their support for the 2017 gas tax hike, perhaps for one simple reason. We want our transportation infrastructure to function properly, and we want it to achieve goals that will position us as ready for the future, a future which includes high speed rail, autonomous and electric vehicles, better roads and freeways, and better urban rail systems and public transportation that supports it.

Nobody likes paying more, but if you're getting something for it, it hurts less.
Nobody likes paying higher prices for gasoline, but if you get incentives for buying fuel efficient vehicles, it hurts less.

Frankly, it's not a good thing for California to have a near permanent Democratic supermajority. We'll get a chance to rack up some stunning accomplishments but of course such a concentration of unchallenged power is also likely to generate some rather loathsome side effects.
It's not that power corrupts, it's that power acts as a magnet for the very worst corruptible people.
California needs a well organized loyal and conservative opposition.

The problem is, such a thing does not exist right now in The Golden State.
To paraphrase Digby Parton, the "party has already shrunk to a rump faction of racist wingnuts, just like everywhere else in the country."

850.jpg


And now, it apparently also consists of people who celebrate a president who scorns the efforts of California's firefighters.

Tucker was just praising California Republics.. "Man if you are a Republican in California then you get forced to really think things through.... AND THEY HAVE! (Paraphrase)".

Why are you getting all partisan on me again?

It gets old.
 
The people who missed managed the woods should be tried for neglident homocide.

Guess who is responsible for forest management! The federal government! Who is in charge of the federal government? Yep trump! So yes trump should be charged and tried for negligent homicide.

Thank you for pointing out that trump is a murderer.
 
It isn't President Trump's fault that the woods were mismanaged in California.

Yes it is trump's fault. The federal government is responsible for forest management. trump is in charge of the federal government. The buck stops with him. There is a valid reason why he attacked Californians several times. He knows he is guilty and wants to deflect blame on others. He always blames others for his f*** ups.
 
Trump is correct about the California fire preparations being totally insufficient. This statement by the California Firefighter's Union is just one more example of why public sector unions need to be banned.

Good Lord. People have died and lost their homes and you go on a rant about public sector unions. Firefighters know more about fires than the ***** grabbing moron. I trust firefighters more than that orange POS. If I want to know about russian puppets - then I will listen to an expert on the subject ;- trump.
 
Tucker was just praising California Republics.. "Man if you are a Republican in California then you get forced to really think things through.... AND THEY HAVE! (Paraphrase)".

Why are you getting all partisan on me again?

It gets old.

My post, in which I said:

"Frankly, it's not a good thing for California to have a near permanent Democratic supermajority. We'll get a chance to rack up some stunning accomplishments but of course such a concentration of unchallenged power is also likely to generate some rather loathsome side effects.
It's not that power corrupts, it's that power acts as a magnet for the very worst corruptible people.
California needs a well organized loyal and conservative opposition."

renders your accusation of partisanship null and void.
Your constant sidestepping and evasiveness is getting old.

"How can you be so obtuse, is it deliberate?"

https://vimeo.com/85825471
 
My post, in which I said:



renders your accusation of partisanship null and void.
Your constant sidestepping and evasiveness is getting old.

"How can you be so obtuse, is it deliberate?"

https://vimeo.com/85825471



I am a Zen Socialist so I have no dog in this hunt.

California needs better government, that was my point.

And the citizens seem to have no interest in that!

You could be nicer you know!
 
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I am a Zen Socialist so I have no dog in this hunt.

California needs better government, that was my point.

And the citizens seem to have no interest in that!

You could be nicer you know!

You're not a socialist anything at all. Stop with that nonsensical yammering because nobody believes it...NOBODY.
You do have a dog, it's name is Donald Trump.

Every place needs better government, so you don't actually have a point, and the citizens voted for the kind of government that they want.
You, not a California resident, don't happen to like their choice, so instead you pretend that they had no interest.
Voter turnout was near record high this year, even in California in a midterm.

I could be nicer? You could stop accusing me of being overly partisan when I'm clearly anything but.
 
Yes we need to talk about why the president of the United States felt to politicize this event by threatening to withhold federal funding before the fire was even out and corpses are still left to discover. Defend that politicizing Hawkeye and please elaborate how that politicizing helps the victims or the victims families in finding their missing family members and the property they have lost. You are one of the BIGGEST Trump supporters on this board so defend his actions and tell SPECIFICALLY how that helps the victims and their families find comfort.

:applaud:applaud:applaud
 
California is going through Hell in part because the State of California has done poor quality work...... for over 20 years fire experts have been warning that this was going to happen, that we were failing to conduct our affairs in an intelligent manner, that the leaders were failing.....i know because I have been listening.

We need to talk about that.

The "Dont look at us, this is because of Global Warming!" excuse cant be allowed to work.

The death toll has been updated to 42... but let's keep blaming Trump.

trump has slashed funding for forest management? But didn't he blame incompetent forest management for the devastating bushfires. I think there should be a full investigation into what caused these bushfires. And if lack of funding is partly due - the person who slashed the funding should be charged with murder. Hundreds of people have died so far in these bushfires.

Lack of funding has little to do with it. Here in CO the Forest Service has a Zero Logging policy. Private Enterprise would do the work, replanting far more than they harvested, and cleaning up the brush around them as they went. But the Forest Service doesn’t allow any. All logging in CO comes from private land and is scarce
 
Yes it is trump's fault. The federal government is responsible for forest management. trump is in charge of the federal government. The buck stops with him. There is a valid reason why he attacked Californians several times. He knows he is guilty and wants to deflect blame on others. He always blames others for his f*** ups.

LMAO! The fire started on private property.
 
Guess who is responsible for forest management! The federal government! Who is in charge of the federal government? Yep trump! So yes trump should be charged and tried for negligent homicide.

Thank you for pointing out that trump is a murderer.

On Federal property. The state is responsible for all other lands in California. Last time I noticed, Paradise, California wasn't sitting on Federal land.
 
Yes we need to talk about why the president of the United States felt to politicize this event by threatening to withhold federal funding before the fire was even out and corpses are still left to discover. Defend that politicizing Hawkeye and please elaborate how that politicizing helps the victims or the victims families in finding their missing family members and the property they have lost. You are one of the BIGGEST Trump supporters on this board so defend his actions and tell SPECIFICALLY how that helps the victims and their families find comfort.

Did he hold back funding, the level of stupidity these days are mind numbing.
Trump points out how California needs to do more to stop the problem, they have these fires every year, it’s not like it’s a new problem. States that have lots of snow have more snow removal equipment, so should California have a army ready to fight fires and equipment.
But it’s Trumps fault!


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